No one had/has stock yet. The first pros go to select operators for the routes... to help get the game accessible and to give the ops something to market. Those will be the first games that hit someone's hands (including distributors).

The game are being built... but have not had first customer ship yet.

You buy blindly (even before the reveal!) you assume the risk that the game isn't what you thought it would be. Stern isn't going to make one type of game - they've mixed it up in terms of their approach to the market. Buyers are bitching because they weren't informed ahead of time. The solution is simple... STOP BUYING SHIT BLINDLY.

'without a loss' -- a risk people knowingly took. They need to own their choices. Not keep stomping their feet that the world bend to them.

Buying a game blindly does not grant you some special status to be owed what you believed something should be. They took a different approach then what some buyers thought they should take (hrmm.. sounds familiar again). If you don't like it.. DON'T BUY IT. If you bought it before you knew what it was... be an adult and own your decison.

Dwight took the barren playfield of Star Wars and spun it into gold so I'm psyched he's on Mando.

Just binged watched Season 1 of the Mandalorian with the family, first time watching it. The Mandalorian, Din Djarin, is kind of a cross between Robocop and Batman with Clint Eastwood's voice cadence. Good stuff.

C++ was written to accommodate the C language and those familiar with it. The class functions are all declared globally for that reason. Java and .NET languages did not have that requirement of backwards support so every function is declared in class. Brian Eddy would be able to pick it up quickly, no more direct coding of memory allocation like in C either, ATL and MFC wrap a lot of under-the-hood C functionality in a higher level function. Smart pointers release memory automatically, .NET has automatic memory cleanup. C was more intensive of memory management. Eddy seems like a smart guy. At this stage C++ has been around a long time.

So does Dwight rotate or tilt?

Can't wait to binge watch season 2.

Where has this underlying notion come from that every new game has to be the best, deepest, most packed, most asset rich game ever?

I think it came from an era where new game releases were few and far between. Or the “dark days” at Stern when most releases were baron and with basic code.

But with the cadence these new games are being released, and the rapidly expanding market, there’s room for multiple types of games that appeal to multiple different buyers.

I could use a good carguement here but I won’t.

The game and stream was awesome. Looks like a fun pin to shoot!!! A premium is the only option at this point!! I like the add ons. Just needs speaker lights and a sub!!

Your mods are cool for sure. Keep up the good work!!! Can’t wait to see what you come up with.

True, the Munsters argument is getting old.
Even though GB needed a code update. It wasn’t as terrible as some say before the last update came out.
Dwight is a great programmer. He brought some great new innovative features to his games. Like Pict-O-Pops or Coop/Teamplay game modes.
For me he is close to the level Lyman is on.
Both Lyman and Dwight have their own way of doing things, but this is actually good. So the games get their own personalities and uniqueness.

Also remember, Dwight is just a normal person. Like we all are. We all made and still make mistakes, sometimes big one’s we regret and never can change. But we have to forget and leave the past behind. So why not just leave Munsters behind and keep looking forward.

Didn’t get chance to watch the stream and won’t get chance for another few days, was there any mention of the epic season 2 Luke finale being in the game anywhere?

Mando with a sprinkle of Luke would be perfection!

Yes, they have said he is in the game, with that episode featured, although it is not the end wizard mode.

That was the point exactly. 1 unique distro limits the number of pins NIB coming into the country and forces all the people to concentrate demand to 1 place only.

Anyone else think coop mode could be a hidden gem? Thinking if done right it could blossom into a really great experience like coop board games.

..add no incentive for better service & bottlenecks when there's peak demand for games such as Mando. Even the website of that single outlet distributor had yet to be updated when the game was clearly available on other's sites. Their site finally got updated with LE pre-order pictures and info, but the game was already sold out by that time.

Dwight and team.

honestly mate? I think you've lost it.

WHAT THE F? Sorry dood but you are talking total BS. Stern said they wanted a simpler game and Munsters was it. Dwight followed the brief. If you think he is lazy you absolutely have no freaking clue what you are talking about. George/Gary could have had Dwight do more but they were happy. Not a Dwight issue but a Stern issue, but even if you change the code Munsters is hamstrung by those stupid stand ups and other design choices. I played munster and canceled my LE order after playing it.

Also don't forget that alot of Lyman games are so good because Lyman choses to put his own time into them. thats why we have had AC/DC, TWD and MET updates well after the games stopped selling.

Guys, Munsters code is the way it is BY DESIGN. In several podcast interviews Dwight noted that Gomez had suggested that he try going simpler with Munsters, I suppose to make it more approachable to casual players. This might have been an over-correction after SW, I don't know, but Munsters is exactly the way they wanted it to be, for better or worse.

The problem is that when a coder known for complex, deep rulesets switches it up suddenly nobody is expected/wanting that from them, and many are left disappointed. Just like when your favorite band decides to alter their musical "formula" and loses 1/2 their fan base.

So if you want Munsters to have deeper code, I suggest you start coding it yourself.

...but by all signs Mando will have an interesting ruleset more typical of Dwight's style.

FLIP LIKE A BEAST!

True but it can take years to get a game good. I firmly believe you should never buy a game unless you are completely satisfied how it looks and plays at that moment of purchase. If you have high expectations then you verify those exact expectations before you buy. That might mean waiting a year to see if code improves. Never buy sight unseen. Never. Would you buy an old game like T2 sight unseen for $15000? Of course not. Pointless to argue you expected HEP resto quality for what you spent but only got a routed players with bunch of tacky mods.

Coop looks awesome and so does impossible mode.

So what we’re saying in this Mando thread is that if you like deep or complex code, don’t buy Munsters?

Yeah, co-op, teams, and hero mode will be a nice addition to my (tiny) collection. I really wanted the TMNT modes in a theme I liked better, and now I can have my cake and eat it too

Two things that always make laugh the whole lazy thing. It’s so far from reality it doesn’t even register. The other is “coder” it is just so cringe. It just sounds so childish like saying he builds legos. Coder should not be a word.

When software languages became modular, coding became the proper term. Yes. like legos is modular to individual bricks, easily re-deployable, that's a good analogy. I hear on the podcasts, Brian Eddy uses the term "programming". Programming is more archaic for C languages/assembly maybe and probably COBOL, things like that that are not modular, more of a all encompassing standalone program of functionality from start to finish. I've been a software engineer for over 20 years, code is the term of choice now and I started programming in C as well.

Watched the stream and was not impressed with the layout or the music/call outs.......another boring fan layout. Art, flow and assets are where this game shines. That being said, what is Brian Eddy thinking??? Just use the Shadow layout!! Hello!!! That game has one of the greatest layouts in pinball history. These old guard designers need to stop trying to reinvent the wheel when it comes to layouts because frankly they don’t have what it takes to keep up with Elwin.

In Elwin we Trust!

I am also in software never in my life have I heard the word coder in a professional situation. The word code sure but to actually call someone a coder. It just sounds so amateur and childish. I would love to drop it in a meeting just to see the look on peoples faces. Notice you called yourself an SE you didn’t say I’ve been a coder. I used the term legos because it was a term that was synonymous with stupid. Anyone that said legos got ridiculed. I am Canadian though and we carry slightly different word culture from the UK.

Yes you are right. The proper term there would be developer. Anyone that submits code to source control is a developer.

We don’t call our qa folks developers…

So much conflict

Just for the record...Coop/Teamplay was developed by Scott Danesi and merely copied by Dwight/Stern...

That’s unfortunate- felt like a fresh take to me. Listened to the stream with headphones on. Love the music and callouts as presented -integrated well so far. The addition of team modes interest me for hosting meet ups.

Elwin can do no wrong - biggest issue for that guy is he never gets full assets like this one. (Maiden excluded)

We call them bug makers and outage instigators.

Does the rules change in the OG coop and team play on spooky games? I thought those merely shared progress and score?

Thinking about running orange Tube LED lights down my plastic ramps that flash red with Tie fighter shots happen.

I watched the stream and think the game looks great. Considering adding one to my collection, but if I do it will be the Pro. The only reason is because I’m concerned about the tilting playfield. Not a fan of the double flippers there and the possible maintenance issues of it. Owned a Stern game NIB once with a part that dropped down and raised frequently and sold it because I had to have it repaired multiple times when I barely played it. Still have PTSD from that experience and this playfield reminds me of it. I like toys, but not too complicated. Just makes me think more parts will break more frequently. I like the artwork, music, flow.

The mini pf is going to play manic and frenzied, so nothing like your bog standard mini pf. I think that's a plus point.

I think I read somewhere that Jack will have the game Monday in his place to get more hands on. Is this true? Like to watch some more gameplay while patiently waiting for mine to arrive.

Yeah, somebody needs to confirm if it's happening on Monday - that's what was said in a post a few pages ago! Should be very interesting to see how the Pro takes care of that upper playfield and those ramps..!

Yeah, I seem to be in the minority there. I don't want to know every detail about a game. I just want to see an overview and get an idea. If someone tells me every little trick etc, it spoils the adventure and gives me little reason to buy it.

Think the rules fairly much the same for TNA except no extra balls awards and if you destroy a reactor your score will have a 1 at the end or 2,3 and so on for each reactor you have destroyed.

I suppose? But then you also wouldn’t have a distro selling the LE for $14k usd
Nitro bring in as many pins as they can, these days supply has been a issue.
Stern can’t make them fast enough.

But Dwight has a chance to fix the Munsters mistake. Everyone doesn’t get a second chance. Hard for people who have a Munsters still to look forward when Dwight could fix it.

Voice callouts from the show including from the main actors will be added. They have many great callouts to use. But they will be added as the code progresses and more so near the end, once all the rules, lightshows, sound effects have been added in. Callouts will be one of the last things added.

Oh the irony. We get it, you have buyers remorse with Munsters. Maybe next time play a game before you buy it. Stern makes a title for like two years, just wait and see. Or watch all the streams beforehand. Do your research. It was obvious how simple the rules were from the get go. What you hope a game should be is not reality.

Also stop calling Dwight lazy. It’s disrespectful. He is on Pinside. He doesn’t deserve the hate and frankly you wouldn’t act that way if you were in the same room with him.