You don’t know your history on Batman very well. Even Lyman thought it was a mess and rethought the code. I remember when I bought it and waited years for it to be completed. It finally got there, but in the beginning it was mainly a box of lights...yes at day one. Go back and read the forum comments and they support what I’m saying. You’re are the first person I’ve ever heard say it was a great game day 1.

I bought stranger things LE month 1 based off what it currently was. I played a pro, loved it, bought an LE. Loved it. Still love it. Why is that so hard to comprehend?? The code was .60. I still loved it as it stood.

That doesn’t matter to me. All that matters is I liked the game day 1. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

So what??

TWD was one of my favorites day one and to this day but it was also widely criticized early on as clunky and the “Walking Dud”

Even Lyman admitted that BM66 barely had playable code when it showed up

Why anyone cares? Who knows. In Lyman we trust. Period

I liked B66 day one and still like it. Never liked it enough to own it at any point. It doesn’t matter.

What matters is blaming a company for not making a game the way you thought they should make it.

Why not wait until it’s done and decide? Blows my mind that people think stern is to be held accountable for their bad decisions.

Back to Mando, the Pro suddenly seems almost more interesting than the Premium, because of that upper playfield. Fair to assume this?

Edit: I'm actually starting to think I'd be happy with a Pro at this point!

There was no word on the code until Stern and Deadflip did the stream mate!
That is when we all saw what the code was!
For some of us, this was already too late...

Simple you say as Scared stiff?
What a load of Rubbish!

Why is it so hard for YOU to Comprehend that others have a different opinion?

Care to elaborate? You have the same opportunity to play game as everyone else. You just choose to buy or not buy early for whatever reason. I suggest buying every new game way used after you see whether it turns out the way you think it should or not.

Different opinions are TOTALLY fine. It’s the shit talking after you bought a game too early for what you hoped it would be, and blaming it on others that chaps my ass. Just wait. Why can’t you wait??

I remember Munsters reveal stream where Dwight said the goal of the team was to make an easy rule set, which is why it defaulted to ball save off and such. I think it’s only major flaw is the second time through the code is weak. Definitely a game I put $10 into that summer of release and haven’t thought of since.

Batman 66 was a turd for a year. Now it’s one of the best games (code wise)

Ghostbusters code was ok, but it did need some extra work including the Are You A God super wizard mode that was teased

The difference is Stern was upfront about Batman 66 being a work in progress and they promised they’d come back to Ghostbusters for years before actually doing it

I think Stranger Things was poor when it came out, but you could see the skeleton of a game that they were going to fill out

Mando seems like a good framework. Just needs the polish and the wizard modes that few people will ever actually see.

Why a bad decision?
We live in the year 2021, not 1990's
For the prices we pay today, we expect our moneys worth!
We are no longer paying KIA prices...

Like I have said in the past, Munsters = Lazy code! If Llyman had done the code, Munsters would be a top 10 for sure!
One of the best art work package, and great flow and lighting.
Code and Video package lets it down!

Is this the first game with spotlights in the apron?

If you want a LE you don’t get to wait. It’s annoying AF

What shit talking?
The Truth?

If you like Munsters so much, Why haven't you brought it?
Seems to have the shallow code you like..

Anyway - In Llyman I trust, for me Dwight needs to show he cares.

Anyway - back to Mandalorian

No, plenty do

With this flawed logic, no one would be able to purchase an LE. Mando was sold out before it was even announced and now understand that even Godzilla is already sold out and its 4 months away. The difference with KE games, we know for certain the code will be stellar. With Dwight, he has a history of leaving games unsupported with code polish, updates and code support. Munsters got only 2 meaningful updates after release and they were only to switch Munster Madness level 1 to level 2). He is a good coder, but leaves the project too early. Look no further than GB, Munsters and even the great code he did on TMNT, still needs polish and code fixes. Final battle there is no speech in 1.41 for example. It got removed in an update and still not fixed. KE or Lyman games would never be left that way. Only Dwight does this. Tragic too, because I think Stern pulls him in too many directions, because he is such a great coder. He needs to go back and fix Munsters with much needed code polish, depth and fixes, plain and simple.

I'm the second.

Third

If you want an LE, you damn well know the risks. Or at least I hope you know the risks. Either way, you can still wait if you’re really that concerned.

Yes they would. They just wouldn’t bitch on the forums if it wasn’t what they thought it would be. They would sell it and move on like lots of people I know.

Because it doesn’t have staying power. Guess how I figured that out?? I played it. A lot. Then I decided to buy or not buy. THIS IS VERY SIMPLE.

I and others are getting a kit to completely rebuild the EM spinner mech in LZ. It'll finally solve the spinner issues that were plaguing LE owners. I'm fine with being an early adopter and working the kinks out. GOT and STh were the most annoying...after that, anything is minor. Every time, the risk has been worth owning an LE, even if code doesn't shape up the way I envisioned. And who the hell am I, anyway?

So... when do we get an owners thread?

This is it. They locked the others. Enjoy the off-topic banter.

Lol, ultimate Stern apologists for pure laziness with Dwight’s shallow coding. Munsters code is complete and utter laziness. Munster madness 1, 2, 3 is tragically a rinse and repeat 3 times. How can you not understand this? Why should anyone have to move on from a theme they love???

Saltimbanco I agree 100%
I was minded to go with Premium then I watched the stream and now I think I will get equal fun with the Pro, so... I just preordered the pro, it will be my first NIB!
I can live without the magnet, I can live without the ramp return too as it will be managed in the software. For the mini-playfield, I even think it will be more fun with only 1 flipper. Ofc, it will be less attractive visually but in term of gameplay I am very optimistic.
The biggest cons is the plastic ramp that hide too much the PF but I will probably replace it by a metal one
Oh and the cool part is I am saving money so the next pin will come faster!

You getting a Mando, if so what flavour?

I'm not...for a moment, I thought I was in the STh thread and I had to get chuckwurt 's back because he's an epic contributor to this forum.

You'll notice I was quiet until then...

And PS - Why do you care? I'm not trashing the game like GnR fanboys were doing in the LZ thread. I think this game looks cool and I'm happy for all you owners. I just have a SW already...don't want to overdo it with the Star Wars themes.

PPS - I just now realize you may have been honestly asking me if I was getting one rather than being coy with your question. So I'll shut up now. Promise.

Because they don’t like the game their theme is based on? It’s nuts that I have to keep saying this.

Just because a company happens to release a game based off your dream theme, they owe NOTHING to you. It still runs the risk of being a game you don’t like.

Is that disappointing? 100%. But that’s on you if you don’t do your due diligence to see if your dream theme is actually a game you like.

My thinking as well, and ordering a Pro should be a bit easier to do with our distro, lol, he originally didn't show much interest selling me either the LE or the Premium (I obviously get why, and I'm fine with that).

The Pro, I'll get receive and play quite fast. Whatever money saved could go towards those modded wireforms (theyll start appearing soon enough) and maybe on a modded animatronic Grogu

Wow, this is delusional illogic at its best. Any pinball company we spend a whopping $10,000.00 with owes us a ton of deep code to last in a home environment. Due diligence in the hobby of pinball is impossible since games are released before code is finished. We trust certain coders will give us our monies worth, like Lyman or Elwin or even others, but Dwight, we can’t trust him at this point. If he were to fix Munsters, like he fixed GB, that would be the right thing to do and then we can begin to trust him like the others. Stop the apologizing for laziness and trying to make us the consumer the one’s responsible, we are not ever as a customer responsible for the laziness of a coder.

Lol, I was actually asking! Because I'm on the fence about getting a Pro at this point, ChrisLIX has pointed out pretty much how I'm seeing this going for me!

I have no idea about the rest of your comment, lol, I'm here for the Mando pinball, nothing but pinballs!

You are talking about player one ?

Exactly - That's why I no longer going to purchase a Dwight coded game!
Who's loss? mine? Nope! Stern is the one losing another LE purchase.
TMNT, Now Mandalorian! It's easy.... Saved me around $29,000

Fix Munsters, then I'll consider another Dwight game.

P.s - To say that the code stays the same on day release is horse crap.
look at all the updates Stranger Things got since release!
and many other games released! Modes added, timing changed, Videos added etc etc etc

Now look at Munsters!!!!
Forgotten - 50% or more of the video contents are unused are still sitting there within the code.....

Get real.

Ps - Munsters is the only game released from Stern to have a topic called worst code ever!

Should be ashamed, very ashamed.

But how do we even know we like it day 1? On day one the LEs are gone, we get some photos and ad copy and we know NOTHING about how it shoots, how deep the rules are, what moves, what rotates... what interacts with the ball? And you question people who would just want to know what they are getting before dropping $7k on a toy? These things are one of the most expensive Hinder JOY eggs, blind box collectible "grab bags" on the planet, and I for one am not buying it.

There's no other option than playerOne I think here. Am I right?

Stern lost ZERO LE purchases.
There was nothing wrong with tmnt code.
It was just extremely hard and fast for the theme.

Yikes, I hope this won’t become the owners thread, lol. With all the off-topic discussions and posts by people who have no intention to be owners, Reddit/pinball is more of a Mandalorian owners thread

You could look at it that way for sure, But if I had of purchased an LE, then there would have been another Premium sold!
Either way you look at it, They lost 2 sales now ( LE or Premium's)

For Eastern Canada, no there is not.

You don't.

Listening to people complain about not getting to see a pin before deciding to buy a LE or not...
Those people weren’t gonna get a chance to get one any ways.
Some people gonna complain about the price, give distro a hard time,
Blah blah blah.
There is obviously a certain group of people that are either dialed into what’s going on,
Don’t care because they will buy and sell if they don’t like and would rather feel confident they are locked in,
And those that flip.
Maybe these machines especially LE have been under valued for years and all the “critics” were too busy complaining to see it coming.

I won't copy and paste all the Munster's updates here just to fill up a massive amount of space. But Munsters was released with v.81 code on 12/7/2018. It was updated TEN times and the last update was v1.03 on 3/9/2020. So 10 updates in 14 months. It is not very deep, but updates were plentiful, just look at the read-me file.

https://sternpinball.com/?post_type=game_code&s=munsters

Shame, cause it gives to much power for 1 unique distro

I just put a couple of games on my MunstersLE since you guys brought it up

That’s what it is. A FUN game to flip in a bigger collection.

Do I love Dwight after waiting so long on GB update? No but they did say Munsters was going to be more “approachable”. A cop out? More code = more better

I’m not sure what game has forever staying power. My TWD also sits there these days unloved and not played much

It still ranks as the pin with most plays on a game by me by far. It was also when i had a lot less games .

Elwin and Lyman are mortal locks. Lyman could even possibly get me to buy Rush although that might be to big of a hill to climb for me

Maybe these machines especially LE have been under valued for years and all the “critics” were too busy complaining to see it coming.

I never had a doubt.

Who wants my STHLE for $12k? Jk, wouldn’t sell it