Not everybody. I prefer LEs because of the add-ons (upgraded speakers, shaker, side armor, pin blades, powder coat), the real backglass, and the HD Glass. I don't give a rat's ass about exclusivity or getting a numbered plaque. I buy my games for my wife and I to play, not to keep in box or re-sell at a profit. I get the newbs that see this as an investment. I do not. I see it as entertainment.

In Canada if I were to buy a prem and the add-ons separately, then sending the metal for powdercoat, and getting a custom mirrored BG made, it would cost more than an LE. I know. I just got a SW Prem and added mirror blades, side armor, speaker upgrade, shaker, and HD glass. That's already added about 1400$ CAD and I haven't even considered a BG or powdercoat.

Didn't someone say the LE's have Mandalorian steel?

For once the powdercoating might have real additional appeal, if this is true.

Quick pause on LE talk..
Do we have any true confirmation on pricing across models yet?
Thx, carry on!

I LOVE to play a new game!! I also prefer the extras in a LE (shaker, art blades, powder coat), the real backglass, and the HD Glass

Hence the comment 'top end' - you think it's the loaded features model.. where the vast majority of those things are simple bolt-ons. Like I said in previous post... stern's biggest differentiator of late has been Art.

If those features were on a lesser model - would you still buy the LE?

LE means limited edition and needs to be in relation with the number of nib buyers. GNR is 5000 LE. There won’t get buyers for half of them..

So What is the basis of potential NIB pinball customers? I think Stern is closer of reality when they offer 600-800 LE in relation with the number of potential nib buyers.

Selfishly:

Factory installed upgrades? Yes please. They can keep the LE plaque and signature. I could live with different art too if everything else was installed.

Again, selfishly.

Bolt-ons that cost more than getting them already installed on the LE. Most of the time I don't care about the art difference. If they could make a super premium with the add-ons of the LE I would buy that instead.

I wish they just had 3 levels of bling like cars and drop the numbering/limiting of "Limited Edition". Cars also have LEs although they aren't really limited much and certainly aren't numbered with a certificate from the CEO. They still sell.

JJP LE = Stern Premium (yea, in theory a limit of 5000 - but that's really unlimited for all intents and purposes. If they hit 5,000 they would just create a new LE with different powdercoat color)

JJP CE = Stern LE

GnR CE was 500 games.

Cant wait to see some pics please!

I was hoping to see some pics or video today.

So is 750 LE a lot? Was Tron LE 500?

I personally have absolutely no use for "exclusivity" in a pinball machine- expecially at a cost premium! (I also do not care for modz, I want what I played in the arcades!) But- I realize my cup of tea ain't for everyone. So, while I have personally found the Pro/LE/SuperChub! options annoying in the past- I'm TOTALLY ok with them if it means I can buy a PRO for a low price overall. If it keeps the cost down of the base model, because profits overall are increased by the fancier/exclusive/"George Lucas personally tea-bagged the shooter rod on ONLY 24 of these!" models, so be it.

There's no Tron Premium so it doesn't matter.

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I also think the hype train has started just because of the leaks, is this really better than back to the future as a theme ?

Anyhow 750 LEs I’m willing to bet some free up in the next week .

Everyone knows LE in terms of exclusivity is meaningless in JJP terms.

If anything for this discussion it proves that 'too many' wipes out the FOMO/exclusivity point.

JJP sells LEs based on their feature differentiators - not exclusivity.

Tron LE was 400

Isn't there a list somewhere of all the numbers?

are you paying people to do it for your or something?

"value" has never been a LE justifier. The price spread between premium and LE was $1400 on the last releases. $1400 for shaker, art blades, powder, glass, and translite is cheaper for you?

Shop better.

Edit-
Premium-7695 shipped

I completely agree. I just like them because they are a complete package. I wouldn't be opposed to having a premium then modding it to "completion" but I find it a bit annoying. I like the powder coat, glass, shaker, etc. Plus all of that stuff ends up costing you similar money especially if you factor in the time to install it.

I hope I am wrong, but...
last 3 games to have over 500 LE took a while to sell out at the distro leve - Star Wars, Munsters, Black Knightt
Last 2 modern themes also did not sell well - Guardians and Stranger Things.

Yes things are crazy right now, yes Mando is popular but it fits both these bills.

750 is lot, loses the FOMO. I am in and hope I am wrong, ill check back with you all on this in a month

Seems LE buyers wind up spending more scratch on UV kits, toppers, shooter rods, and other crap to complete the supposed complete package.
Sterns a great dealer...

Buy it because you want it .... Jesus

I am said I am in ! But I am not opposed to it being more limited and worth more !

Don’t forget LE’s come out before the premium. A month or more early is worth it to some locations and those impatient like me.

Most are 500. Avatar was 250. Rolling Stones was 350. Tron 400. Some were split between two variations. AC/DC had 200 LTBR & 300 BIB. Avengers had 250 Hulk & 250 “Blue”.

Look up any LE game on IPDB to see the numbers.

The problem is pinball has taken off like nuts. So many new comers and collectors. The demand is too high. I think with this and future releases we are going to see a huge shift in the way pinball machines especially LE or CE whatever are preordered and purchased etc.

The distro we got in with said machine is $10,199 base. Scalped right off the bat for a drop ship from the factory?

Edit: had the wife call back... "sorry there must've been a mistake, yes the price is $9199 MSRP" - just paid for it, free shipping to boot.

Yeah well you're missing the point because where YOU are it's cheaper to buy parts. Good for you man!

You forgot BACKGLASS. Translites suck and we are comparing apples to apples. What does it cost to have the LE features on a prem. You also forgot side armor and you forgot powdercoat. These are features I enjoy. Powdercoating in my neck of the woods is super expensive.

So buying an LE is cheaper for me. I just paid 835$ (Cdn and with tax) for 2 sheets of HD glass. That's what it costs here. There aren't a bunch of distros. Only one out this way and everything they sell is MSRP converted to Cdn. No deals and closed borders.

Open your mind to the fact not everyone has the same access to things/parts/services(powdercoating).

Sounds like it, unless there is a MAJOR price increase!

Maybe it comes with a topper now

Price is not changing according to distro folk on here

Confirming price is not changing. Lots of dealers are charging a premium including us, but we are up front about it, I told all my customers what the MSRP is (9,199) and what we are charging

-AT

Just doesn't seem cool to charge over MSRP at these insane prices. I'm glad there are some distrubtors that won't charge over MSRP for this title.

MSRP + free shipping + no tax = buy from that distributor if you can!

THIS IS THE WAY ... we do it.
get your money for nothing.

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How do you dodge the tax?

I don't see a problem, especially if they disclose it. Just buy from someone else in the future if you don't like their pricing practices. If it's truly an instant sellout then distributors selling at MSRP are effectively doing it as a goodwill gesture to their longtime customers, since they could easily charge more.

I am in the distributers court. Knowing a few they don't make a ton off these games as it is and the high cost to be an effective distributor means that there are few of them out there. Just look in the DC/Balt Market. Not a single distributer. If it was hugely lucrative you would have pinball dealerships just like car dealerships. The reality on all pinball prices is supply and demand will dictate the market value new or used. Right now there is HUGE demand and low supply which is why you see so many high prices that keep going higher. I am selling a JJPOTC right now If i sold it for the price they were going for two years ago it would be gone in minutes. In two years my current laughable price will probably seem like a bargain.

Pretty much all dealers have to charge tax in CA because of the tax laws, so if you live in CA, you are kinda SOL unfortunately

foolheartedly wondering if anyone knows of a distributor who has *not* sold out of LE's yet... By the time I realized I should call them to get on a list, i was WAY down on those lists and I really dont want to pay 1k markup for some schmuck who is "buying" one just to resell it for a profit. Feel free to DM me if you know of any!

Id like to know if anyone has LEs as well. Was just told by my distributor that I did not make the LE list and I had inquired a few weeks ago originally. Wonder if that 750 LE number is correct.

For many things

I think X-Men had a weird split too - like 300 Wolverine and 250 Magneto...

LOL, yes indeed. We moved out from CA to AZ in 2013, couldn't be happier.

He's suggesting that you buy from a smaller distributor that doesn't have enough sales to your state to be required to collect the sales tax under the new internet sales tax laws. Probably easier to pull off from MI than from CA. Of course you're still legally obligated to pay that tax yourself if the distributor doesn't collect it from you, and I've heard stories from CA (happened to Rarehero I think?) of the State tracking down large untaxed purchases and sending out tax bills.

Thanks! It's one of those situations where if I lived/worked elsewhere I may not have to pay the tax, but wouldn't be paid well enough to afford the machine!

The terminology is not the same at JJP. They make the "Collectors Edition" that is the model that is most limited. For Stern the LE is the most limited.

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