Early copies of 'Darts" did come in a woodrail cabinet, so yeah, do it! I'll buy his lockdown bar and legs from him.

I just checked IPDB, and there is no photos of "Darts" in the woodrail cabinet. Can anyone post a photo of one, or is it super rare?

Heck no, keep the original cabinet all the way. Remember you can place your favorite refreshment on that ledge right in front of you. Plus its so dang different its cool.

John

I just might put my "Darts" in a woodrail cabinet. It would give me the lockdown bar I need for my "Jungle", and save me from having to have a playfield glass made up for that funky cabinet ("Darts" is missing top glass). I just picked up a Williams woodrail cabinet. That's why I'd like to see the paint scheme for the woodrail "Darts". I'm glad you posted this, Mike. Now the wheels are turning...
Yes, and "singlezero" wants a "styling of the '60s" cabinet for his "Ten Spot". This might all work out!

thanks for thinking of me

yes that is true, ive been half regretting not buying those two cabinets in allentown but the cost and then having a darts game w/o a cab didnt appeal to me . i can get a cabinet built but would be interested in all metal pieces . let me know what is hashed out!

as a side note , jr you and i got the deal of allentown dont you think?*w*

some things to consider. the playfield glass may be different sizes. i also have a wooden top apron to replace for my ten spot , i suppose if a dart was going into a woodrail it already has that wooden upper apron

this woodrail darts layout could be a challenge. only 3 darts listed on all of pinballowners.

First, I consider that cabinet pretty cool. I wouldn't change it.

But, if you must, keep the old stuff so you can go back. But, I would leave it alone.

i think a few of us are wanting to achieve the more rare version of our games. that they infact did produce in low quantities. this would make them more desirable for our own collections. it isnt like we are trying to take away from the authenticity of the game itself. i actually like the styling of the 60s cabinet too but i know many dont or at best are ambivalent to it.

Yeah, we got a good deal on those legs, but if I do this swap, I won't need them.
I don't think either game would need a wooden arch or apron either. The later woodrail games had metal parts.
And yes, the glass for the metal rail cabinet is 1/2" wider than a normal glass. Also, if you got my "Darts" cabinet, you would need a lockdown bar because I'd use that one for my "Jungle" which is missing one. My "Darts" cabinet is also missing the backbox door, but that's only plywood anyway.
Something to think about, and it wouldn't really be "pinsacreligious" because both "Darts" and "Ten Spot" came in alternate cabinet versions.
Not really sure if any "Ten Spot" games were made in the other cabinet, but it was meant to be made that way.

That is only the case if you want improvement. I just think that cabinet style was so iconic, seminal & a signature sign of the 60s whether it be a car, house, furnishings or even a pinball machine. A tragedy to change that creation imo.

Hey Joe...where are you getting the info that these games were produced in woodrail cabs ever? I wouldn't think they'd do that since it's such a drastic change. Unless you're talking about proto-types or samples, but that wouldn't count as "produced".

Not doubting your info really, just curious - I don't see anything about that game being available in anything other than the "styling of the 60's" cab.

Also not sure if converting this game to a "rarer" version would work, since if there is a run of these in woodrail cabs, the serial numbers would reflect that, and if you converted it, the serial numbers wouldn't jive.

But otherwise...switch it if you want to...as usual, and I'll always say - it's your game! )

Sean

I have to say, I'm not a big fan of this style cabinet either. One of the biggest pains is that you ideally need two people to set it up or take it down. Also, in a row of games, that front shelf sticks out. In the case of my "Jungle", I'm going to leave it in it's correct box, but it's missing a lockdown bar, and those are pretty much unobtainium.
Your posting got me thinking, and I could make good use of the woodrail cabinet I just picked up, and save myself from having to locate a lockdown bar and getting an odd sized sheet of glass made. Plus, the game was made in woodrail form according to IPDB (just as Gottlieb's "Flipper").
Sean, I'm pretty sure Shay has a woodrail one. I'm going to ask him, and maybe try to get some photos of it if he does. I understand about serial numbers, etc and the game obviously would not be genuine. I've already crossed the line by switching cabinets between a "Gypsy Queen", and a "Guys Dolls", and I do like the result!

It's your game. Personally I think this cabinet is awesome. Part of the reason I hung onto to Jungle for so long. Just a big component in it's overall charm.

IPDB states this game had some production games in woodrail cabinets. It makes sense as it seems to be the first after Serenade, their last full production woodrail. I always thought it was neat that the styling of the 60s cabs still retained the woodrail arch as a carryover. Finding an example of an original woodrail Darts to mimic the paint scheme would make it a more interesting project.

I'd make the switch. Looking forward to seeing photos of the one Shay has.

Ah...I see it now - I went and looked at IPDB and didn't see it before I posted...but clearly wrong. Thanks!

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I just had an aha moment with the help of O-din. The cabinet of the sixties games have a slightly wider playfield than standard I believe. As JR already mentioned the glass is larger. Swapping into a standard cabinet may not be as easy as transferring everything over. I suspect playfield won't drop in without some serious modification.

the playfield glass is wider , however i checked both my ten spot playfield and my jungle playfield and they are identical in size 20 1/2 inches by 42 inches . i think youll notice more trim on the sides of the SO60s cabinet that dictates the wider glass.

for those unaware of my interest i happen to own two tenspots. initially the ten spot was to be produced in the SO60s cab but production was done in their new squared cabinet. to me the artwork of the ten spot just screams to be in a SO60 cab , so im hoping to do so at some point.

http://www.ipdb.org/search.pl?any=ten++spot&search=Search+Database&searchtype=quick#2517

Do it.

I hope you keep it in the original cabinet. If you don't like it, sell it.

My bad. Of course those games have a wooden upper arch, but a metal card tray (apron if it's wood; card tray if it's metal and removable). I heard from O-din too, and he thought maybe the playfield is wider. Glad to hear that it is not.

Just for fun I measured the width of the playfield in my '57 Jig Saw. It's 20 3/16" wide x 42" long. A marginal difference. It may work, it may not.

Just for the thrill of it, I dropped my Darts playfield into a Gottlieb World Fair cabinet to see and it went right in. I think a wood rail cab would be best though but I can’t find one close to KC. If anyone needs a lock down bar, I can probably fabricate one. I have the wood part of the lock down bar but not the top aluminum trim. It shouldn’t be too hard to bend one up in my finger brake.

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I need a lockbar for World Fair. Do you have one to spare?

No extra lock bar for WF. My WF is complete, I just have it apart for rebuild. I need a lower Apron for mine though, if you hear of one.

I made a lock down bar for my darts machine. I had the original wood portion to pattern from. If anybody needs one, I can fabricate a complete one.

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Darts: Here is one with poor pictures for sale. No lock down bar. Pictures are so bad that it might be wood rail version or not.
https://www.kijiji.ca/v-art-collectibles/bridgewater/antique-pinball-machine/1595774508?undefined

Definitely not the woodrail version.