Housing market is crazy here. Offers are being accepted in a day or two of listing. Sellers currently hold all the cards. Friends that are realtors are telling me they are seeing terms of - as is - sellers will not agree to repairs or remedies found on inspections, sellers will not pay for a 1 year service contract, sellers want up to 6 months rent back for free. Buyers pay 100% of all costs. And my favorite - 1 seller will not even consider an offer that doesn’t include 2 first class tickets to Hawaii.

HBO did it. Carnivale. There have been others, too.

I dunno, 2008 it was buyers of all types many with low credit and 0% down combined with the predatory loans of the time. So those folk were able to just walk away from a property as they had nothing invested in it causing the market to implode. This time it's around ~15% or so institutional buyers and the rest are well qualified people with good credit buying second homes with down payments. So it will cap at some point but I don't think it'll be a bubble that will crash this time, very different circumstances. Anecdotally this is the first week in a long we have not received a letter, email or text from someone wanting to buy one of our properties and Zillow numbers seem to have peaked, so maybe we are finally at or near the cap.

EDIT: Scratch that, just got home from Vegas to two more home offers in the mail.

It's the most exciting town on earth. The Mrs wanted the heat and pool so we got it. I enjoy relaxing under the 40' wide covered patio. Mountain and Strip views are awesome. I love the Strip being eleven miles in the distance. Even for the recent fireworks...

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In early January, we made our offer (the listing price) around noon. It was accepted by 4pm. Seller had a home warranty in the listing. It's about as useful as a tire mileage or battery warranty: essentially worthless. One A/C unit had its compressor blow apart. They would replace it for $1700.00 which included a one-time $1000.00 "credit". Called two other independents, they both quoted $1700.00.
I said screw it and replaced all units as I didn't want ticking bombs.

Good plan, when you live in the heat, don't F around with the AC! The view from the backyard is awesome. That's great to be able to see the strip in the distance, it looks cool but its out of range as far as all the kookiness. If you feel like going for some fun, its a short ride and you are there. Best of both worlds. How about pool pics? And what do you have for a pinball room?

Lots of Americans, particularly midwesterners, don’t realize (and OFTEN won’t accept) that talking to complete strangers on the street can be very off-putting. People aren’t being rude by not responding to you, you are freaking them the fuck out.

I guess I have no concept of this type of behavior. In the South is kind of rude not to speak to people that pass within speaking distance, as it is just the polite thing to do. People that don't say hello are thought to be stuck up or inconsiderate of others. I guess that is just a Southern tradition to say hello to people. I just don't know any other way to act.

Yup - being from the west coast if a stranger tries talking to me on the street I’m thinking what’s the con and no thanks.

Agreed, virtually every stranger on the street, sidewalk, store, gas station or parking lot tries to panhandle money. Even in the two Costco parking lots in Henderson.

Surprisingly, no issue by off-strip or non-downtown LV casinos. Now, Las Vegas Boulevard from the Sign just North of Sunset Road all the way to North Las Vegas appears to be a designated pan-handling zone.

Move to Texas where it's hot as hell, no state income taxes so property taxes make up the difference. Get caught with a joint go to jail, pay 10K in lawyer and probation fees. No masks required ever, highest poverty and unplanned pregnancies, one of the worst high school graduation rates.

Not to mention some of the lowest medically insured in the US. Hardest to vote or get an abortion but many people moving here because of cheaper land and home prices. Do you want electricity in a cold weather streak, good luck, no regulation to weather proof the power plants insures that.

Welcome to the land of no permit required to carry a gun. Don't mess with Texas.

I’ve driven in 42 of the States (not as many as Mr Bally, but not bad!) and by the far the worst driving I’ve ever seen anywhere on the planet was Houston, Texas.

Everyone drives everywhere at 90 miles an hour, weaving around the lanes ... it’s chaos.

We drove down Houston-Galveston one Sunday morning - that’s only 50ish miles - there were 4 major wrecks on the trip. Like - cars upside down and destroyed type of wrecks.

Crazy! I’ve been there twice - the same stuff both times.

The rest of Texas is fine - but there must be something in the water in Houston.

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Yep- striking difference to here. Guess that’s why we’re known for the seattle freeze lol. I biked thru the south with my wife a number of years ago and met some of the friendliest strangers in small towns. People were inviting us into their homes, calling grocery stores in the next town to get us a free meal.. got written up in 3 newspapers lol. Would never happen up here.

Been to Houston a number of times and saw that. Crazy, but in the entire planet? Hah, not even close. Check out Shanghai, China. I took a cab ride there, I seriously and legitimately was questioning whether I was going to come out of that alive. It was absolute death-defying insanity.

Mind you I’m no wimp. After all, I did go through a full-on highway speed crash riding in a taxicab in New Jersey. The dude veered off the highway, jumped a median, flew all the way across that median while plowing over those big yellow cones, then went across 3 lanes of traffic, somehow missing everyone, and bounced off a concrete wall. Somehow, we (myself and a coworker) walked out of that one.

Well... they do have in and out Burger.
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Cant think of anything else good to say about Vegas...

Op - why not stay in San Fran and try to change it? Make it a better place for everyone.

I always am looking to find that ideal spot outside of Southern California but have not found it yet. I have lived in every other region of the US and there are pluses (examples: people saying "Hey, how are you?" to total strangers in the South and genuinely meaning it, Southern California cars stopping at crosswalks if someone is walking across the street, access to beaches/forests/mountains, etc) and minuses (examples: In a lot of cities/states: high crime/homelessness, horrible infrastructure, poor medical care, taxes being collected in draconian ways etc).

+1 for not using Pinside as the sole litmus test for moving anywhere. If you are asking us as your pinball family for advice bear in mind that most of us here would NOT ask a LOT of our family members for advice since we all have our own opinions.

Try to keep an open mind but look at everything because wherever you end up you will have your own set of pluses and minuses .

Good luck fellow and sister pin travelers.

I did encounter some of these "people" on the strip trying to perform a con of some kind. I just laughed at them and told them that I was not interested while walking away. They are pretty easy to spot as they normally will walk right up to you with some stupid question that has no real meaning to life as we know it. If they persisted, I usually gave a stern warning of some kind that involved law enforcement in the area. There are also some people that will try to pick your pocket or steal things that you have on your person. There are desperate people everywhere, so you just have to be aware of your surroundings. I also observed some "kids" that got a ticket for skateboarding near the entrance to a casino. Law enforcement rolled up pretty quickly and set them straight in a hurry. I just giggled from a distance. All those things did not deter me from being polite to other people that were in the general area.

Water tables around the world are shrinking at an exponential rate. Moving to an already established desert state may not be in anyones best interest for the next 15-30 years.

Not to spell all doom and gloom. Nevada and Arizona are awesome states, dry heat, yes...sights to behold, plenty. The weather here in NE can be challenging, but is becoming less as each year goes by; which is telling of the world state of weather.

I always move thinking long term in mind anyways.

Sorry about bumping into you there guy. Hey, I found an empty wallet. Is it yours?

Move to Wisconsin. Yeah, Winters are cold, but that is only for 8 months of the year.

People are really nice around here where I live and do say hello although it's not as much as it was back when I lived in Austin in the 90s. However one thing I had to adjust was hugs. I'm originally from Montreal which is very European and we just hugged people when we'd meet. I then moved to Texas and learned fairly quickly that I needed to unlearn that behavior.

Yeah I've lived in many places and find LA drivers to be fairly easy to ride with. Worst drivers I ever encountered where in Montreal and Laredo, Texas.

There is a sweet spot in the Central Coast that we are seriously considering, I think it beats SoCal in a lot of ways. especially if you like things a little slower and less crowded. You keep pretty much the same weather and access to all the great things in CA, north and south of there. San Luis Obispo/Atascadero/Templeton/Paso Robles area. There are some cool Pinsiders that live there. I envy them...

And 6 of those months you're on the toilet, constipated from the embarrassment of cheese riches you're surrounded with.

Yeah been there. Haven’t driven there though.

Had my most crazy cab ride there too.

Me and my buddy wanted to go cross town to the old area of town (not too far from where we were) and showed the guy the picture and the address. Of course language was a problem, but he seemed ok.

As soon as he crossed the Bund river bridge on the freeway, I knew he was going the wrong way. Totally opposite direction.

So he’s powering along, and I’m showing him the picture of the old markets, and all of a sudden he figures it out. He stops in the middle of the freeway (IN THE CENTRE “FAST” LANE!!) and starts reversing up the freeway!!

Lucky it wasn’t too busy at the time (I think it was the weekend) but these huge quarry trucks were speeding past us as we are going backwards down the middle of the freeway ...

My and my buddy are yelling “whaaat the fuck are you doooooing???” as we approach our near certain death, flattened by large truck ... “keep going keep going” we gesture frantically in a forward pointing motion lol

Eventually he did. And we made it. But that was pretty darn crazy. Earned our beers that night.

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I like to say that we're eleven safe miles away from the Strip.

Since there is no basement, I'm using the small 1st floor bedroom for machines. I left a lot behind including six Bingos, seven slots, and most of my flipper pins. Only have three pins, five slots and the popcorn machine set up. I brought five Bally Wulff wall-mount slot machines that I hope to hang in the loft when Mrs. Bally isn't looking....

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Good lord thats what dreams are made of!!!

Im in toronto... we get this crap called snow for a big part of the year but i head to vegas annually for... trade shows... provided those will still continue...

Water temperature in my pool is reading 90 right now was 92 a few days go.

We wish it had a furnace when we moved in but we don't need any heat now. We may add a furnace in the fall so we can use it in the Winter when we have guests. Our Spa is separate so it has electric heat.

Toronto gets more snow than Detroit but we were so sick of Winter weather there we pulled the plug.

The Indian Gaming Association trade show is here next week so I'll make the eleven mile trek to Caesar's Forum at The Linq to see my Bally buddies who have all moved on. It's usually held in San Diego but thanks to Covid killing the 2020 show, they elected to go to Las Vegas. I would have driven over to San Diego if it was there.

Same here, it hit 92° and wasn't too refreshing. Got it down to a pleasant 88° by adjusting the Fill-O-Matic and added an inch of water. Was thinking of a thousand pounds of Ice too

Having a pool in Las Vegas has got to be nice... Probably just need a little coconut oil while you bask in the sun to get that perfect tan.

If you're ever in the Phoenix metro area, we have Detroit Coney Grill if thats your thing. Really good coneys and burgers. Coneys are a Detroit/Greek thing, right? Greek joints always seem to have great burgers.

Yes, Greek owned restaurants. I have friends in Phoenix and Tucson. Once I-11 is completed in ten years or so, the drive will be easier.

Carpinteria is another such town I've been told is great. Never been there myself, but it's a chill beach town for those that want to be further away from it all. Probably not good for the op though who was looking for more of a party town. Ventura is also nice, I used to work there many a moon ago right near the beach, used to walk to the beach most every lunch for fish tacos and just chill.

Also, we have three White Castles here (owned by Herbst Enterprises). One downtown, one on the Strip and one off the Strip by Virgin Hotel/ Mohegan Sun Casino. Prices double from the Midwest. 4 sliders, 8 cheese sliders, 4 chicken sandwiches, one large fry and two regular cokes; $38.60

I always liked the vibe in San Clemente too.

Yeah, but is Oxnard still harshing the Ventura buzz? I grew up around there and Oxnard was a rough place.

Then again, to the north of Ventura you have Santa Barbara, which is amazing.

Don't know much about Oxnard, only really went there for the now defunct Frys and to renew my green card every ten years. Santa Barbara though is awesome.

Yeah, basically you have Oxnard to the south of Ventura, and Santa Barbara to the north of Ventura. No cities could be more opposite. (Also, my aunt/uncle and cousins have been in Thousand Oaks since forever - technically Newbury Park, but I think it may have been absorbed into Thousand Oaks at some point.)

If any californians move here to the Silver State, we ask you to please leave your liberal views in California. Remember you are a refugee fleeing CA, NOT a missionary.

I have relatives in Michigan and the lines are drawn right down the middle demographically in the whole bunch. I was surprised. 2020 brought it to a head.

I personally will never leave California. It is my Xanadu.

Why are you intolerant of people with different viewpoints than yours?

Please answer on behalf of everybody in Nevada.

That's such a Skateball thing to say.

I can’t speak on behalf of Nevadapinball, but have experience on both sides of being a native with people moving in and moving to states as an outsider.

Some outsiders feel the need to ‘improve our lives’ with their point of view. They want their new location to reflect their old location politically, socially, and environmentally. Locals want to keep it how it was when they grew up. Examples can be found in Sheridan WY, Boise ID, Hamilton MT, etc.

Some new citizens, which I have been on numerous occasions, can often forget why they moved.

So who are considered the "outsiders"? Those moving in now? In 2010? 2000? 1990? 1980? 1970? 1960? 1950? 1864? It's a serious question, I want to know who are the Official And Correct Representatives Of Nevada (tm) so us outsiders can know what style of behavior, speech, dress and ideology to conform with for when we visit. This isn't a knock on you, more on people who oddly portray certain thoughts and behaviors as the only correct way because of course it's their thoughts and ideas on their timeline which always represent the Correct Point Of View (tm), and that any other line of thinking makes you an "outsider". What they don't realize is the people that preceded them think the same way about them.

The data shows they moved out of CA because they couldn't afford it anymore. It's largely lower income and the less educated that left the state, higher income / higher education folk keep flooding in, not surprising given that we have more venture capital here than all other states combined. Nothing to do with point of view, it's due to plain old economics.

It's refreshing that there are still people with common sense. Thanks for this post. If I had to pick one reason that keeps me from visiting Pinside more often, it would be the large amount of annoying know-it-alls here