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Thinking of relocating to Las Vegas, how's life there ?

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    #51 2 years ago
    Quoted from HHaase:

    My sister and her family are currently living in Vegas, they both want out in a serious way. If her career wasn't as successful as it was they would have left years ago.

    I'd be interested to know more about why they want out, if it has to do with the "known facts" of Vegas (weather, the strip...) or if there is more about living there that I should be aware of before deciding.

    Quoted from bluespin:

    Have you considered Boise, Idaho? A lot of people are moving from SF to Boise suburbs due to cheaper housing. It's at the southern part of the state, so they get very little snow/ice, and there aren't any water supply issues.

    Yes, I'm very familiar with Boise, we have a cabin in Tamarack, and always spend the night there on the way. There's a bunch of Californians that moved there which seems to have made the local community very angry, because of the usual issues Californians bring in their luggage. Moving there isn't in my cards though, Boise doesn't have much to offer in terms of nightlife, entertainment, international restaurants, and kind of like city vibe that Vegas offers. If it was just me and my wife we would be in Vegas already, we love it there, my problem is more around moving there with one kid in middle school and one in elementary.

    Quoted from snyper2099:

    No. But I have seen it happen a couple times... [London and New York by CBGB's]
    If you are worried about unfortunate people bothering you and stepping in their poo, don't move to the metro where they sleep on the sidewalks and live off people's "wholesome hearts".
    I would refrain from asking for life advice or really for any advice on Pinside... Especially pinball advice. Too many people know what's best for you.

    Everytime I go to my office in SF, which doesn't happen very often anymore, I see more balls and butts than I could count for, I dodge needles on the ground and smell that distinct smell of crack burning in a pipe. The situation is terrible in SF when it comes to drugs, homeless crazies but it doesn't leave the city. I live 20 minutes north of SF, and it's a complete different world, secluded, quiet, peaceful, if I wasn't seeing the city from my windows I wouldn't even know it's there.

    That's where I wonder how Las Vegas is, if the crime, the drugs, the general craziness stays nearby the strip or if it spreads all around the city and its suburbs.

    #52 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    global warming is having an adverse affect

    Well, we all know this is a false statement since the earth is flat and not a globe...

    #53 2 years ago
    Quoted from Eric_S:

    Well, we all know this is a false statement since the earth is flat and not a globe...

    Well - you got me there.

    #54 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    That's where I wonder how Las Vegas is, if the crime, the drugs, the general craziness stays nearby the strip or if it spreads all around the city and its suburbs.

    That was my experience. Suburban neighborhood life was nothing like the Strip. My two cents, if you can handle the heat, don't have addiction problems (gambling and the other sin city activities) and the remote location doesn't bother you (hours from any other major city) it's pretty great.

    #55 2 years ago
    Quoted from dapperdan24:

    That was my experience. Suburban neighborhood life was nothing like the Strip. My two cents, if you can handle the heat, don't have addiction problems (gambling and the other sin city activities) and the remote location doesn't bother you (hours from any other major city) it's pretty great.

    The only addiction I'm worried about is to live that close to the Pinball HoF, speaking of another good reason to move there !

    I only wish the Vegas casinos still had these massive arcade rooms that they had back in the 90s.

    #56 2 years ago

    Only other thing that might be of concern is that it sounds like Vegas has a transient population. And a population of people there for work and work only. I'd imagine there aren't too many 2nd generation families there.

    #57 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    I'd be interested to know more about why they want out, if it has to do with the "known facts" of Vegas (weather, the strip...) or if there is more about living there that I should be aware of before deciding.

    She's married to a detective. From what he's been telling me there's been a big increase in national level gangs in the area, as well as cartel involvement. Not your stereotypical street gang stuff but much more organized and well funded, with Vegas being located right on I-15 making it a major hub for transporting a LOT of things through the area.

    #58 2 years ago
    Quoted from HHaase:

    She's married to a detective. From what he's been telling me there's been a big increase in national level gangs in the area, as well as cartel involvement. Not your stereotypical street gang stuff but much more organized and well funded, with Vegas being located right on I-15 making it a major hub for transporting a LOT of things through the area.

    Including human trafficking I bet.

    #60 2 years ago

    Speaking of which ... "We have met the enemy and he is us."

    Ay yi yi

    #61 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    Speaking of which ... "We have met the enemy and he is us."
    Ay yi yi

    Keep your blinkers on if you like.

    21
    #62 2 years ago

    Lived here twenty years. Wife grew up here. My kids grew up here. Wife's parents lived here forty years. Wife's sister lived here her whole life with family. What can I say...we're all pretty normal. And I know a lot of nice, regular people too. It's dry, sunny, and Mojave Desert. Almost no: rain, mud, ice, snow, landslides, earthquakes, clouds, or weather at all except hot from May - September. Rocks and pools instead of grassy back yards, we almost never go to The Strip (except some of us work there), nobody in the family ever gambles, we go to Target, the park, school functions, the dentist, grocery store, birthday parties, church, etc just like people in other cities. The Strip is right in the middle of town so it's easy to avoid. The PHoF is here, hooray! The roads are north-south or east-west so an easy grid. The dry climate makes cars look new forever (unless parked 24/7 in the sun, then the roof/hood can fade to sh*t). Everyone is here...rich, poor, middle class, super fancy neighborhoods to scary ones, all races and ethnicities were well-represented in the schools our kids attended, there are both religious people and non-religious, all types of restaurants with food from around the globe, a good Chinatown area, on and on. In my experience, the further you are from the center of town, the better the city becomes, but that is true of most places, the peripheral areas tend to be newer and nicer. It's definitely not for everyone, you have to love the dry weather and sunshine and the rest will work itself out. We don't have four seasons, my kids could hardly identify most wildlife when we went other places when they were little, it's isolated geographically from anything, but it's close to Utah and Arizona and California so get your car ready. If you take it for what it is and don't try to make it Washington or Maryland or Michigan or whatever, then it's fine. It's different, but for some of us, it's home. Wherever you are, you hope the grass is greener somewhere else, but we don't have hardly any grass (except marijuana). So you may like it or not, it's hard to tell. There are a number of places I wouldn't go in town, but that's true in any city. And there are a lot of really cool places and things here too. I forget how much variety of stuff we have here until I travel elsewhere. And many things are open 24/7. Overall I feel safe and am quite used to it. Good luck with your search.

    #63 2 years ago
    Quoted from pins4u:

    Keep your blinkers on if you like.

    You're obviously not really from Gaborone. It's easy to spot.

    Only Americans with no science background know the truth about global warming.

    #64 2 years ago
    Quoted from bluespin:

    Have you considered Boise, Idaho? A lot of people are moving from SF to Boise suburbs due to cheaper housing. It's at the southern part of the state, so they get very little snow/ice, and there aren't any water supply issues.

    I have traveled and spent time in every state in the country...especially in Nevada, I lived there for several months and could not wait to get out of there. One of my favorites was Boise...great people, clean air, and the cost of living wasn't terrible. All around happier place to be. The biggest drawback is the isolation from other major cities....but that is probably why they are so much happier, and the air service is wonderful, so you are just a short plane ride away from anywhere........

    #65 2 years ago
    Quoted from Manimal:

    I have traveled and spent time in every state in the country...especially in Nevada, I lived there for several months and could not wait to get out of there. One of my favorites was Boise...great people, clean air, and the cost of living wasn't terrible. All around happier place to be. The biggest drawback is the isolation from other major cities....but that is probably why they are so much happier, and the air service is wonderful, so you are just a short plane ride away from anywhere........

    I thought the same thing about Boise. It has majorly changed. Way more expensive and tons of people now.

    #66 2 years ago

    OP, pm me and we can talk on the phone. Mrs. Bally & I moved here less than three months ago from near Detroit. She wanted the heat, rainless Summers, pool and mountain views.
    I almost moved here in 2001 with kids in elementary school but my Dad got really sick so I had to cancel that.
    Our 19th visitor since we moved in arrives tomorrow.
    We wish we would have moved here 20 years ago.

    Only time we go on the strip is to take visitors to one of the $40+ per drink places they just have to go to (most give a 10% discount with a Clark County resident drivers license).

    This place has just about everything. Yesterday, went Downtown to American Coney Island to get a taste of something I miss from Detroit.
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    #67 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    they would more likely invest in water pipelines more than any other state

    This is not the problem. The problem is Water Rights. You can build all the pipelines you want and with no water or water that belongs to you, you got nothing. The thing that we face in the West is too many people and not enough water to go around. Now if you start talking desalination....

    #68 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    What about snakes

    You won't be disappointed! So many cool snakes out in Nevada, my friends and I go every other year or so to chase wildflowers, insects and reptiles, we always see sidewinders, Mojave greens, speckled rattlesnakes, western diamonds and westerns, not to mention the coachwhips, rosy boas, Sonoran long nosed snakes, banded geckos, desert torts, just so many amazing animals to find out there. I'd consider moving there just for the wildlife.
    B

    #69 2 years ago
    Quoted from ZooDude:

    You won't be disappointed! So many cool snakes out in Nevada, my friends and I go every other year or so to chase wildflowers, insects and reptiles, we always see sidewinders, Mojave greens, speckled rattlesnakes, western diamonds and westerns, not to mention the coachwhips, rosy boas, Sonoran long nosed snakes, banded geckos, desert torts, just so many amazing animals to find out there. I'd consider moving there just for the wildlife.
    B

    I worked North of Las Vegas, in the middle of the desert, at a substation for Nevada Power and Light, for about a month. The site was remote and had a gravel road to access the location. In order to meet Nevada regulations for wildlife conservation, every person at the site had to undergo "Tortoise Mitigation Training". There was an environmentalist hired to work at the site every day make sure that every person received that training. There is a type of desert tortoise that can survive in the Nevada desert and they are on the endangered species list. Some are apparently rather large and live in a hole in the ground. The training was basically to avoid contact with these turtles and if you encountered one on the gravel road to the site you were supposed to stop and allow it to cross the road without interference. If you try to move one out of the way, they will be stressed and urinate, which causes them to be dehydrated and die. I never saw one, but I am told that others did. I never saw anything alive in the desert area that I visited except low growing cactus. It is a barren lifeless area that does not support normal life as far as I am concerned. I did not even see a snake or a lizard. There was not even a convenience store within 30 minutes of the site, so I brought bottled water and lunch with me, nearly every day. It was hot, dry and miserable. About the only activity in the area was military aircraft going over the site every day from Edwards Air Force base. It was a daily event that drew attention from everyone.

    #70 2 years ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    I never saw anything alive in the desert area that I visited except low growing cactus. It is a barren lifeless area that does not support normal life as far as I am concerned. I did not even see a snake or a lizard.

    This is a very normal but perplexing (to me) take from most people, I guess you need to know where to look. I go out with herpetologists, botanists,entomologists and a field mouse specialist, we find lots of stuff! Those low growing cacti have these cool little lizards that live in their base, night lizards, spotted little suckers, very cool.
    You should read some Edward Abbey, Desert solitaire is the best, will show you a whole new way to look at the desert.
    Oh, we don't mess with the torts, just photograph them and appreciate sharing space with them.
    Lot's of neat animals out there if you know what rock to flip!
    B

    #71 2 years ago
    Quoted from ZooDude:

    This is a very normal but perplexing (to me) take from most people, I guess you need to know where to look. I go out with herpetologists, botanists,entomologists and a field mouse specialist, we find lots of stuff! Those low growing cacti have these cool little lizards that live in their base, night lizards, spotted little suckers, very cool.
    You should read some Edward Abbey, Desert solitaire is the best, will show you a whole new way to look at the desert.
    Oh, we don't mess with the torts, just photograph them and appreciate sharing space with them.
    Lot's of neat animals out there if you know what rock to flip!
    B

    Totally agree, desert ecosystems (both hot and cold) are some of the most intriguing on earth! So interesting to see the weird and exotic (and often stunningly beautiful) ways life evolves to adapt to the harsh environment!

    As you said, if you know where to look you'll find a bonanza of weird and cool critters, not to mention all the unique plant species. Everyone immediately thinks of cacti, bristlecone pines, and Joshua trees, but that scrubby little nondescript 10" tall bush on the side of the road that looks half-dead may in fact be 50+ years old and have just as interesting a "story to tell"!

    #72 2 years ago
    Quoted from whthrs166:

    The thing that we face in the West is too many people and not enough water to go around. Now if you start talking desalination....

    Yeah, THAT is one thing I do not get. We're spending 100 billion on a high speed rail system to bakersfield that's barely faster than a conventional train when that money is WAY better spent on a number of desalination plants at the north end of the state, then send the water down the state through the rivers and aquaducts to terraform the state and create a microclimate to offset the temperature changes. Everyone whines about the salt byproduct. Pair each desalination plant with a thorium reactor that runs on molten salt. Problem solved.

    #73 2 years ago

    Yay science!

    #74 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    First off, it wasn't false. The average annual temperature in Seattle has increased in the 20+ years I've lived here. Dryness is affected by many more climate factors than simple average annual precipitation amounts - such as evapotranspiration rates and to what degree the snowpack melts and is therefore available as a water source later in the summer.
    What it has to do is simple: global warming is having an adverse effect on the world's climate in ways and to degrees that we're just beginning to discover. Locations that are already water challenged and continuing to grow - such as Las Vegas - are going to face even tougher water restrictions in the future. Along with increasing extreme heat, something to consider if you're looking into moving there.

    Your statement was proven false by real data, not someone waving their arms around claiming they're smarter than you. Let's see your data showing that it's drier in Seattle over the last 22 years. I'll wait.

    #75 2 years ago
    Quoted from ZooDude:

    This is a very normal but perplexing (to me) take from most people, I guess you need to know where to look.
    B

    I guess I am just comparing wildlife in the desert to what I am accustomed to seeing where I live. There are birds, small animals, deer and host of other normal wildlife that are visible on a daily basis, just riding around in your car in a "normal" habitat. There are many large trees, running water, grass, etc, etc. In the desert, there is nothing moving and almost no life. The habitat is lifeless and barren compared to areas with rain and reasonable temperatures. Without water and shelter, the average person probably could not survive in that desert habitat for any significant length of time. It is miserable and not a place that you want to be for any extended period of time. The lack of humidity caused my skin to itch after about a week, all over. I had to put on sunscreen to keep from getting sunburn. My lips began to chap and I had to use chap stick after about a week, which I have never needed before. I had to wash off sand every day that blows around in the dust that got into every crevice on my body. The place is just miserable. I was really glad when I was able to return to civilization. Just my opinion.

    #76 2 years ago

    I think the posts by Chill and MrBally tell you what you need to know. It’s all where you go within the metropolitan area and what you make it be for yourself.

    The basic parameters are easy to see. It’s hotter than shit in the summer months. But then so are lots of other places, Phoenix, Palm Springs, Houston, Dallas and many others. The southeast is also hot, but with humidity thrown in. Water supply is questionable, but that’s the same for pretty much the entire southwest.

    You have the big gorilla in the room, the strip/downtown. Well you would never have to go there if you don’t want to. Just skip it if it isn’t your thing.

    There are other things. Crime, gangs, etc? Those are pretty much in every big or semi- big city in America. Homeless people on the streets and all that? Everywhere.

    Being from SoCal, we’ve been to LV countless times. We usually drive out into the burbs to find restaurants and such. It looks the same as any other place in the USA. I travel quite a lot for work, and I’ve been to the vast majority of US cities multiple times. Often while I’m on the road, someone from home will ask “so what’s it like over there in XXXX City?” My answer is always the same. Well, here’s what I see: McDonalds, Target, Burger King, Best Buy, a mall, a multiplex movie theater, blah, blah blah. It’s exactly the same everywhere. When you go into the city itself, it’s the same everywhere. Can’t walk 10 feet without being hit up for money, expensive crowded restaurants, filthy conditions everywhere, sirens all night, wondering if you are going to get out of there alive.

    This is the USA.

    The key is to get into the middle of a nice suburban neighborhood, get a nice house (with a pool for the hot climes) and hang out and enjoy life. Pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist!

    #77 2 years ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    I guess I am just comparing wildlife in the desert to what I am accustomed to seeing where I live. There are birds, small animals, deer and host of other normal wildlife that are visible on a daily basis, just riding around in your car in a "normal" habitat. There are many large trees, running water, grass, etc, etc. In the desert, there is nothing moving and almost no life.

    I get where you're coming from, part of the reason I like the desert so much is because most people can't appreciate it, once you start to actually see it, it is quite remarkable.
    Last time I was in Nevada I saw Night hawks (birds) Kit foxes and coyotes (small animals) big horn sheep (deer) as well as a host of very interesting flowering plants, sure seemed pretty normal (for a desert) to me.
    I really only mentioned the snakes to show that some people look at these things differently, I'm pretty sure the OP isn't a herper.
    B

    #78 2 years ago
    Quoted from Eric_S:

    Well, we all know this is a false statement since the earth is flat and not a globe...

    Excellent debate tactic! Guy says X, another guy points out that X is false, you say "HE MUST BELIEVE THE WORLD IS FLAT!"

    -2
    #79 2 years ago
    Quoted from jchristian11:

    Your statement was proven false by real data, not someone waving their arms around claiming they're smarter than you. Let's see your data showing that it's drier in Seattle over the last 22 years. I'll wait.

    What do I know - I just live here. Drier summers (for example) have contributed to more Pacific NW wildfires and the the now common occurrence of severe smoky days in the summer are one obvious result.

    As I pointed out in my earlier post, annual precipitation amounts only tell part of the story and can be misleading. The distribution of rain thoughout the year and how it affects the snowpack (Puget sound has mountains to the east and west) plays a big part in determining summer dryness. Seattle and the Pacific Northwest have been experiencing shifting rainfall patterns - more in the winter and less in the summer than in the past. And this trend is expected to continue due to global warming.

    Here you go with a few quick examples of readily available info:

    https://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/ross-dam-wa-usa.html

    "What the Future Holds
    As temperatures in the Northwest continue to rise this century, scientists expect snowpack to decline further. In the Cascades, the amount of snow on April 1 may drop as much as 40 percent by the 2040s.

    Peak spring runoff is also projected to continue to occur earlier—20 to 40 days earlier by the end of the century, under a business-as-usual emissions path. The more water flows out of the mountains earlier, the less is left to flow in summer—particularly as summer precipitation also declines in a warming climate. On the western slopes of the Cascades, runoff between April and September is projected to decline by 30 percent or more by mid-century."

    https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/protecting-our-environment/community-programs/climate-change/projected-changesExtreme
    "Precipitation
    Rainfall is expected to become more intense in many parts of the world, including the Pacific Northwest. However, the magnitude of change in Seattle has been difficult to model because of the complex terrain that surrounds us, among other factors. In addition, historical observations only slightly indicate increased rainfall intensities. That said, Seattle has experienced a fair share of extreme weather events in recent years, and SPU is exploring how to better prepare for the potential of more extreme events.

    Extreme Heat
    Not typically associated with heat, Seattle has averaged only a handful of 90 degree (F) days per year during the past few decades. By the end of this century, such events are expected to become more common, with more than two weeks of 90 degree (F) days likely each summer. Also certain to increase are nighttime temperatures and humidity. Increased temperatures will likely increase water demand, which SPU feels it can address through its comprehensive water conservation program.

    Hydrology
    Pacific Northwest winters are projected to become warmer and wetter, and summers warmer and drier. That means more rain than snow falling on the Cascade Mountains and eventually more prolonged periods of drought. It also likely means changing forests, stressed salmon habitat, and even wildfires. SPU has assessed potential impacts to our water supply and identified some adaptation options and is committed to updating these assessments and options periodically and researching related issues as needed."

    #80 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    I'd be interested to know more about why they want out, if it has to do with the "known facts" of Vegas (weather, the strip...) or if there is more about living there that I should be aware of before deciding.

    Yes, I'm very familiar with Boise, we have a cabin in Tamarack, and always spend the night there on the way. There's a bunch of Californians that moved there which seems to have made the local community very angry, because of the usual issues Californians bring in their luggage. Moving there isn't in my cards though, Boise doesn't have much to offer in terms of nightlife, entertainment, international restaurants, and kind of like city vibe that Vegas offers. If it was just me and my wife we would be in Vegas already, we love it there, my problem is more around moving there with one kid in middle school and one in elementary.

    Everytime I go to my office in SF, which doesn't happen very often anymore, I see more balls and butts than I could count for, I dodge needles on the ground and smell that distinct smell of crack burning in a pipe. The situation is terrible in SF when it comes to drugs, homeless crazies but it doesn't leave the city. I live 20 minutes north of SF, and it's a complete different world, secluded, quiet, peaceful, if I wasn't seeing the city from my windows I wouldn't even know it's there.
    That's where I wonder how Las Vegas is, if the crime, the drugs, the general craziness stays nearby the strip or if it spreads all around the city and its suburbs.

    I have to ask what kind of “baggage/issues”do the Californians bring with them?
    As a lifelong east coaster I’m curious.
    Or is it the “last in-phenomena” where people move somewhere and then automatically think no one else should move there even when they’ve only recently arrived to the area.

    #81 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    What do I know - I just live here. Drier summers (for example) have contributed to more Pacific NW wildfires and the the now common occurrence of severe smoky days in the summer are one obvious result.
    As I pointed out in my earlier post, annual precipitation amounts only tell part of the story and can be misleading. The distribution of rain thoughout the year and how it affects the snowpack (Puget sound has mountains to the east and west) plays a big part in determining summer dryness. Seattle and the Pacific Northwest have been experiencing shifting rainfall patterns - more in the winter and less in the summer than in the past. And this trend is expected to continue due to global warming.
    Here you go with a few quick examples of readily available info:
    https://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/ross-dam-wa-usa.html
    "What the Future Holds
    As temperatures in the Northwest continue to rise this century, scientists expect snowpack to decline further. In the Cascades, the amount of snow on April 1 may drop as much as 40 percent by the 2040s.
    Peak spring runoff is also projected to continue to occur earlier—20 to 40 days earlier by the end of the century, under a business-as-usual emissions path. The more water flows out of the mountains earlier, the less is left to flow in summer—particularly as summer precipitation also declines in a warming climate. On the western slopes of the Cascades, runoff between April and September is projected to decline by 30 percent or more by mid-century."
    https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/protecting-our-environment/community-programs/climate-change/projected-changesExtreme
    "Precipitation
    Rainfall is expected to become more intense in many parts of the world, including the Pacific Northwest. However, the magnitude of change in Seattle has been difficult to model because of the complex terrain that surrounds us, among other factors. In addition, historical observations only slightly indicate increased rainfall intensities. That said, Seattle has experienced a fair share of extreme weather events in recent years, and SPU is exploring how to better prepare for the potential of more extreme events.
    Extreme Heat
    Not typically associated with heat, Seattle has averaged only a handful of 90 degree (F) days per year during the past few decades. By the end of this century, such events are expected to become more common, with more than two weeks of 90 degree (F) days likely each summer. Also certain to increase are nighttime temperatures and humidity. Increased temperatures will likely increase water demand, which SPU feels it can address through its comprehensive water conservation program.
    Hydrology
    Pacific Northwest winters are projected to become warmer and wetter, and summers warmer and drier. That means more rain than snow falling on the Cascade Mountains and eventually more prolonged periods of drought. It also likely means changing forests, stressed salmon habitat, and even wildfires. SPU has assessed potential impacts to our water supply and identified some adaptation options and is committed to updating these assessments and options periodically and researching related issues as needed."

    What you provided is not a trend nor real "data."

    "As temperatures in the Northwest continue to rise this century, scientists expect snowpack to decline further."
    "By the end of this century, such events are expected..."
    "Pacific Northwest winters are projected to become warmer and wetter, and summers warmer and drier."

    Here's one of the expert predictions from 2000, I wonder why anyone would show skepticism...

    "WARMISTS PREDICTED NO SNOW. INSTEAD, RECORD FALLS"

    For 20 years, global warming alarmists warned snow would vanish: "Children just aren’t going to know what snow is." Here's what children now see in North Eastern US: "The last decade... has had 29 major impact northeast winter storms with NO previous 10-year period with more than 10 storms!" Meanwhile, ski resorts in the Alps open a month early."

    #82 2 years ago
    Quoted from jchristian11:

    What you provided is not a trend nor real "data."
    "As temperatures in the Northwest continue to rise this century, scientists expect snowpack to decline further."
    "By the end of this century, such events are expected..."
    "Pacific Northwest winters are projected to become warmer and wetter, and summers warmer and drier."
    Here's one of the expert predictions from 2000, I wonder why anyone would show skepticism...
    "WARMISTS PREDICTED NO SNOW. INSTEAD, RECORD FALLS"
    For 20 years, global warming alarmists warned snow would vanish: "Children just aren’t going to know what snow is." Here's what children now see in North Eastern US: "The last decade... has had 29 major impact northeast winter storms with NO previous 10-year period with more than 10 storms!" Meanwhile, ski resorts in the Alps open a month early."

    Oh FFS. Seriously?!

    Google the topic and you'll find plenty more info and rainfall distribution stats as well as scientific data regarding the all too real (and accelerating) effects of global warming - in Seattle, the Pacific Northwest, and throughout the world.

    You can deny reality and argue on Pinside all you want. Try doing your homework and opening your mind instead. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

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    #83 2 years ago

    dup

    #84 2 years ago
    Quoted from jchristian11:

    Excellent debate tactic! Guy says X, another guy points out that X is false, you say "HE MUST BELIEVE THE WORLD IS FLAT!"

    I think his point was that actual evidence makes zero difference for people to believe what they believe, be it climate change, the world is flat, the moon landing was fake, or there was election fraud.

    #85 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    Oh FFS. Seriously?!
    Google the topic and you'll find plenty more info and rainfall distribution stats as well as scientific data regarding the all too real (and accelerating) effects of global warming - in Seattle, the Pacific Northwest, and throughout the world.
    You can deny reality and argue on Pinside all you want. Try doing your homework and opening your mind instead. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

    You better move to Vegas then Tuna because the state of Washington will be under water within 10 yrs. it’s an “existential threat” and people are in immediate danger.

    The “baggage of Californians”? I find the ones moving to Texas in droves are leaving because they have had enough of wherever they came from. I’m sure it’s true in Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Montana and every other state they are going to.

    I love visiting Vegas. Living there would be ok but Phoenix, Scottsdale would be my southwest choice.

    #86 2 years ago
    Quoted from ultimategameroom:

    I have to ask what kind of “baggage/issues”do the Californians bring with them?
    As a lifelong east coaster I’m curious.
    Or is it the “last in-phenomena” where people move somewhere and then automatically think no one else should move there even when they’ve only recently arrived to the area.

    The baggage is mainly financial, I don't think it's specific to Californians but has more to do with the income gap between the locals and the new comers. A lot of people I know are like me, remote workers who can be anywhere they want but got hired at a time where remote working wasn't a thing, so their employers had to factor the SF cost of living when writing a job offer.

    In parallel, the housing market sky rocketed faster in CA, so selling a studio here in SF puts you on the high end side of the housing market elsewhere which inevitably drags the prices up for everyone.

    Some big silicon valley companies like Google or Facebook allow their employees to relocate outside of the bay area in exchange for a salary cut, but mine doesn't, I got lucky there I guess.

    #87 2 years ago
    Quoted from iceman44:

    You better move to Vegas then Tuna because the state of Washington will be under water within 10 yrs. it’s an “existential threat” and people are in immediate danger.
    The “baggage of Californians”? I find the ones moving to Texas in droves are leaving because they have had enough of wherever they came from. I’m sure it’s true in Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Montana and every other state they are going to.
    I love visiting Vegas. Living there would be ok but Phoenix, Scottsdale would be my southwest choice.

    Thanks Iceman - I think I'll pass.

    No worries as I live 800 feet above sea level and the ferries float.

    #88 2 years ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    The baggage is mainly financial, I don't think it's specific to Californians but has more to do with the income gap between the locals and the new comers. A lot of people I know are like me, remote workers who can be anywhere they want but got hired at a time where remote working wasn't a thing, so their employers had to factor the SF cost of living when writing a job offer.
    In parallel, the housing market sky rocketed faster in CA, so selling a studio here in SF puts you on the high end side of the housing market elsewhere which inevitably drags the prices up for everyone.
    Some big silicon valley companies like Google or Facebook allow their employees to relocate outside of the bay area in exchange for a salary cut, but mine doesn't, I got lucky there I guess.

    I grew up in SoCal, but I moved to Georgia in 2006. Back in the early 90s a lot of people moved out of SoCal to Portland and Seattle. Since housing was much higher in SoCal, the drove the housing prices in Portland and Seattle up, making it hard for locals in their 20s to buy their first home. Same thing happened in the last decade in Texas.

    #89 2 years ago
    Quoted from ultimategameroom:

    I have to ask what kind of “baggage/issues”do the Californians bring with them?
    As a lifelong east coaster I’m curious.

    Go visit Montana, Wyoming, or Utah and ask the locals.

    Texas too I guess.

    #90 2 years ago

    California transplants here drive more aggressive than anywhere else I've been to. I've traveled to 49 of the 50 States (never been to Maine) thanks to my old job.

    They drive way worse than they do IN Southern California. Probably has something to do with being set free from SoCal gridlock. Always fun to see one who cut you off on the freeway in a very nasty manner pulled over ahead or cracked up requiring a meat wagon.

    #91 2 years ago
    Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

    Oh FFS. Seriously?!
    Google the topic and you'll find plenty more info and rainfall distribution stats as well as scientific data regarding the all too real (and accelerating) effects of global warming - in Seattle, the Pacific Northwest, and throughout the world.
    You can deny reality and argue on Pinside all you want. Try doing your homework and opening your mind instead. I'm not wasting any more time on you.

    The fact that you think you’ve made a logical argument tells me all I need to know.

    #92 2 years ago
    Quoted from RTS:I think his point was that actual evidence makes zero difference for people to believe what they believe, be it climate change, the world is flat, the moon landing was fake, or there was election fraud.

    Hardly, making a false equivalence in an attempt to discredit someone is what he’s doing.

    #93 2 years ago

    Moving to Vegas would be like running away to join the circus, it would seem.

    #94 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Moving to Vegas would be like running away to join the circus, it would seem.

    I've always been facinated by the lives of carnies. That would make a great tv series.

    #95 2 years ago
    Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

    This is just not true.[quoted image]

    How dare you include facts!

    #96 2 years ago
    Quoted from MrBally:

    California transplants here drive more aggressive than anywhere else I've been to. I've traveled to 49 of the 50 States (never been to Maine) thanks to my old job.
    They drive way worse than they do IN Southern California. Probably has something to do with being set free from SoCal gridlock. Always fun to see one who cut you off on the freeway in a very nasty manner pulled over ahead or cracked up requiring a meat wagon.

    Ca drivers get a bad rep, but having driven around many places in the US, and having spent significant time driving around SoCal, I believe in general the SoCal drivers are actually quite sane compared to what I see in other states. IN GENERAL. It has also changed over the years (I have driven the LA freeways extensively going back to the 80s). My theory is that SoCal drivers have evolved and realized that sane driving will get everyone where they want to go much more smoothly on the crowded freeways. So these days when you head out into the morass, pretty much everyone keeps things moving and really you see a minimum of the stupidity like tailgating, constant lane changes, etc. Yes, it’s often crowded and gridlocked, but if everyone is patient and sticks with the plan, it does keep slowly moving, and you will get there. Everyone knows what really F’s it up is when there is a crash, and crashes are usually the result of stupid moves.

    Now, I will grant you, the small percentage of idiots we have do take the cake. There are a select few who just don’t get the message, and they are scary. They speed and weave in a constant stream of dangerous moves, and get angry if they perceive any driver cut them off or did anything they don’t like. Hell, they’ll even shoot you, as I’m sure you have seen on the news. The street racers are the worse. Dangerous as hell.

    The CA “baggage” thing falls into at least two different things for locals from what I have seen. The first is the anger and frustration they feel when the Californians come in flush with cash from selling their homes in CA and start buying up all the property, thus jacking up the prices in the new place and often pricing the locals out.

    The second is when liberal-leaning Californians move into conservative-leaning areas, causing a political culture clash. Apparently this happens a lot, although it seems odd to me. Pretty much every person I know that has left CA or is talking about leaving are definitely NOT leaning toward the liberal side. So in theory this shouldn’t happen, they should slot right in if they do move to a more conservative area.

    #97 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    Ca drivers get a bad rep, but having driven around many places in the US, and having spent significant time driving around SoCal, I believe in general the SoCal drivers are actually quite sane compared to what I see in other states. IN GENERAL. It has also changed over the years (I have driven the LA freeways extensively going back to the 80s). My theory is that SoCal drivers have evolved and realized that sane driving will get everyone where they want to go much more smoothly on the crowded freeways. So these days when you head out into the morass, pretty much everyone keeps things moving and really you see a minimum of the stupidity like tailgating, constant lane changes, etc. Yes, it’s often crowded and gridlocked, but if everyone is patient and sticks with the plan, it does keep slowly moving, and you will get there. Everyone knows what really F’s it up is when there is a crash, and crashes are usually the result of stupid moves.
    Now, I will grant you, the small percentage of idiots we have do take the cake. There are a select few who just don’t get the message, and they are scary. They speed and weave in a constant stream of dangerous moves, and get angry if they perceive any driver cut them off or did anything they don’t like. Hell, they’ll even shoot you, as I’m sure you have seen on the news. The street racers are the worse. Dangerous as hell.
    The CA “baggage” thing falls into at least two different things for locals from what I have seen. The first is the anger and frustration they feel when the Californians come in flush with cash from selling their homes in CA and start buying up all the property, thus jacking up the prices in the new place and often pricing the locals out.
    The second is when liberal-leaning Californians move into conservative-leaning areas, causing a political culture clash. Apparently this happens a lot, although it seems odd to me. Pretty much every person I know that has left CA or is talking about leaving are definitely NOT leaning toward the liberal side. So in theory this shouldn’t happen, they should slot right in if they do move to a more conservative area.

    To blend in the Best thing someone moving from California can do is ditch the California license plate ASAP.

    Which reminds me - we have no state tax in Nevada - so they rake us on the car registration. Between my car and my wife’s SUV we gave the NV DMV $2,700 last month in registration renewal fees.

    #98 2 years ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Moving to Vegas would be like running away to join the circus, it would seem.

    I can tell you from personal experience while walking on the strip, that the people visiting Las Vegas are from every country on the planet.
    I heard languages from places that I could not identify and noticed people from every country on the planet that I could identify.
    I am a friendly person and I spoke to many people in passing to say hello or whatever.
    Some responded in kind, but others did not seem to understand or were not interested in conversation.
    It was also obvious that many of these visitors had a lot of money to spend, for whatever it was that they were interested in.

    #99 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    The second is when liberal-leaning Californians move into conservative-leaning areas, causing a political culture clash. Apparently this happens a lot, although it seems odd to me. Pretty much every person I know that has left CA or is talking about leaving are definitely NOT leaning toward the liberal side. So in theory this shouldn’t happen, they should slot right in if they do move to a more conservative area.

    That's because the whole everyone is fleeing CA mantra is a myth, along with the nonsense of it being all liberals. Anyone that looks at the actual data (for the few still left that actually care about data) shows that the quantity of outflux of people is no different than the past, it's at normal levels, and from those leaving it's not all liberals. But posting actual data like from the Post Office zip code changes used to track who is actually leaving to where and in what quantity does not get website hits and ad revenue. Instead a false narrative is created fueling hate and hence driving revenue. In fact it's all so comically laughable when you realize that CA is made entirely of people from other states, so those people hating on people with a CA license plate are really just hating themselves. It's become an easy attack vector for outsiders to turn us against each other, it's really just sad.

    Quoted from Mrsiyufy:

    To blend in the Best thing someone moving from California can do is ditch the California license plate ASAP.
    Which reminds me - we have no state tax in Nevada - so they rake us on the car registration. Between my car and my wife’s SUV we gave the NV DMV $2,700 last month in registration renewal fees.

    This is why I tell people again to look at the data, in this case the *total* tax burden. Those that do will see that CA is actually not bad for taxation, and in fact much better than other states once you include all the perks, unless you are in the top 20% income earner then you will pay more. But poor to lower middle class will pay less tax burden, middle to upper class will be a wash. I think many don't realize we're a progressive tax state so no, you will not be paying 14% state tax, I never have.

    Quoted from ZooDude:

    I get where you're coming from, part of the reason I like the desert so much is because most people can't appreciate it, once you start to actually see it, it is quite remarkable.

    It can be pretty in Vegas. I'm here right now (been to Vegas many times) and I do like the desert look. The heat though...

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    #100 2 years ago
    Quoted from xsvtoys:

    The second is when liberal-leaning Californians move into conservative-leaning areas, causing a political culture clash. Apparently this happens a lot, although it seems odd to me. Pretty much every person I know that has left CA or is talking about leaving are definitely NOT leaning toward the liberal side. So in theory this shouldn’t happen, they should slot right in if they do move to a more conservative area.

    Go visit Cody Wyoming.

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