No JJP has failed in one way and if you play a stern games the games tells you what you need next WOZ is a table full of flashing lights a game as deep as WOZ with no direction is not a good first game if you have the money for this game the options are endless POTC, TSPP CV, TOM, and many more

No. While nice to look at and lots of high quality parts, the game just isn't fun to me and the music and callouts WILL grind on your nerves in a short time.
Way better and cheaper choices out there for a first pin.
Hobbit looks promising, but kind of concerned about the 2 upper flippers integrating well. I have one on order, but not as anxious to get that as I am Predator.

If you have your heart set on a wozLE, forget about the ruby edition and pick up one of these $7k HUO ECLE's on pinside.

I'd rather buy 6 B/W pins....

NO! I wouldn't pay up for a Ruby WOZ there are too many great deals on WOZLE right now. If I was in the market I would buy a WOZLE and pocket the extra cash + you will get your game sooner.

BBH for the first is always a must. It's what I did.

There are plenty of other games you can play 4 player on, not sure what you mean.

I believe #4 says it all ....
Happy wife, Happy Life ...

I am not saying stern is easier try and finish TSPP but JJP is all about the bling lots of toy lots of flashing lights but for the money there are many game that are better look at the games that have kept peoples interest for ten to twenty years not a few months

Must be pregnant, cause you missed alot of periods......

You played WOZ. Did you like it? If so and your wife wants it, do it! My wife and I both think it is the best game we have ever played.

Hilarious

Can you go out and buy a ruby red right now and play it? Or is that a preorder? I would go with a game you can actually play right now without the preorder wait. I think you can buy a WoZ off of Pinside or from a distributor right now.

There are still a lot of kinks with the lighting, even on the newer games with the 7.5 volt boards. According to JJP, however, a definitive fix is coming any day now that will address all these problems for good.

No

I don't think these will ship until all of the Green LEs have shipped, otherwise things will get very ugly. So we are talking a few months at least.

As for buying a game the woman might like, that is a slippery slope unless she really is a player. Otherwise she might play a total of ten games on it before she loses interest instead of five on The Hobbit and you are stuck with a game that you don't like.

?? Every game since 1978 has a four player mode. I must be missing something in this statement?

Great game and yes the only 4 player out there. Order it up while you can as they will sell out fast and probably be going for 12k by Christmas!

Go for it, awesome game.

Most people in this thread are just saying "no" based on principles...nothing to do with gameplay, what you like, what your wife likes, etc.. JJP blew it with the WOZ rollout and that's going to take a while to get over.

Wait, patience…..figure out what you really like, no on Red Ruby

A lot of people (including me) are saying to not to buy it because you can buy a WOZECLE right now for much less. As opposed to pre ordering a Ruby Red edition, and then having no idea when you will actually receive it.

Well, you've done more homework than most who buy these (and other NIB games), you've actually played it first and enjoyed it! And, to double-down on that, your significant other loves it?

Sounds like a slam dunk purchase....

Before you get in line, though, I'd shop the Minty-fresh HUO market. A few have recently gone in the $7K range- seems like that would be a nice deal AND no risk/guessing at delivery date, manufacturing changes, etc, etc.

IMO you shouldn't order one.

It's not coded
It's not working properly
It's not in stock
It's not shipping

If it were my money I'd buy a real tangible proven fully coded legit game, not a 2015 preorder that may or may not ever arrive.

Struggling company? They just got a $40 million infusion, that's hardly struggling.

If he wants WoZ I think he should get one he can pick up right now. I think he can get either the standard or the ECLE from a distributor. Or even a pinsider.

Metallica? Go get em Curly, tell em how to spend their $$$

They took money 3+ years ago & still haven't delivered, said everything was fine, shut down production, laid off workers & needed a $40MM deposit just to get going again. Factor in hardware drama, unfinished code & a lack of honest updates or information & yeah I'd say that's struggling.

That sure as shit isn't thriving

I think JJP is in the best shape they've ever been in & I wish em the best but they only way I'd preorder a game with JJP is if I could use an IOU

You're right fo sho, if dude wants a game now he should get one that's in stock now.

Read his post, he asked!

Stern has unfinished games for sure, but they also have... Finished games

Double

Not everyone is a rocket scientist

Does your wife like Johnny Depp? (sshh it kinda sounds like him) Did she like the pirates movies or the ride at Disney World(Land). My wife loves our POTC and you can get a HUO beauty for 5K - there's just too many reasons why not to order a Ruby and too many great machines for a lot less $$$

I know, I have a four of them that I really like!

If you keep messing with JJP, you'll never get your grail pin, Three Stooges….think about it

I could probably make it myself faster lol

40mm infusion? Where was that published or did Jack say it?

The only thing I got out of it is that someone is 3 sheets to the wind.

Get it BEFORE you get married. Remember this, "How you start is how you finish"…….Woz is a blast to play and I've had mine since October and a few minor issues like switch adjustments. Get a direct print Woz Le if you can, after Oct. born on date, with the 7.5 volt lighting fix. And then get the Hobbit

Gotta love the Donkey Kong, go green, with that floor, anything goes

I would have to agree. There are plenty of woz ecles out there for sale. You can save big and be playing in no time. I think it would be a great first game. Look on here for a woz for sale near you and go for it.

#1 one of my boards went out last week. New board sent free. Support from jj is amazing. If something does go wrong they will take care of you.

#2 the wait for the 75th is gonna kill you. I'm guessing late summer as they got 1000+ games to build before those come off the line.

#3 If you liked it that much over everything else you played, then id say go for it. The game has plenty of depth for pros and enough simple tasks for newbie players. i think your confusing difficulty and depth. The game is very deep and difficult to finish. But there is plenty of easier goals, multi balls and wizard modes at different stages. Example (battle witch i can get to on a good game, over the rainbow maybe someday)

#4 lifes too short to wait another full year to get your first pin. Get a game you know you love now. We dont know enough about the hobbit yet. Cross that bridge when we get there and of course having a happy wife may be the best thig when getting into this hobby

I don't know. But you're going to need to clear up some space for more pins.

I own an WOZECLE #1000 of 1000. Knock on wood... I haven't had any issues, other than one small adjustment. I know there have been some on other WOZ games. But, many have also posted they haven't had issues.

I also own many HUO Sterns. They have had their issues... some more than others.

Do I think someone should by a $9000.00 Red WOZLE for their first pinball? No

Does that mean you shouldn't? No

It sounds like you really enjoyed the game. Perhaps a comprimise. You could buy a HOU WOZ regular for a lower price and still have all the fun.

You will learn. Not that tough. Especially after all those arcade games go and you make room for pin #6...

I say you should YES buy ruby WOZ as your first pin.

You would be the first person to ever have spent $9,000 on their first pin.

That is serious bragging rights!

Quit F ing with the guy Vid, he might do it!

If it must be WOZ, get an LE. The prices are coming down, and who knows when Ruby Reds will actually be built?

I honestly want him to do it.

It would be like getting a new Ferrari for your first car.

OP - call Jack and ask him when the Ruby Reds should start shipping - if there's a few hundred LE's that have to be built first then my guess is you would have to wait a few months for your 75th. The beauty of JJP is that they truly try to make their customers happy - yes they have had supplier issues, but Jack is working it out.

Absolutely - the Ferrari of pinball

Yeah where is this little tidbit hiding? I haven't heard about a $40 mil infusion. I'm not a huge JJP follower so maybe I missed something?