Quoted from Phat_Jay:
Just because they haven’t sold right away doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
Exactly. Some think if a pin has not sold in 10 days then something must be wrong. But that is not the case. You can sell any pin in 24 hours or less if you price it low enough, or too low. Too low of a price brings out the sharks. Many people panic and set the price too low. That used to be a consideration when you had to pay for newspaper ads, etc.
With Craigslist and other "free" selling venues a seller can sit back and wait for the right buyer to come along. I doubt that pinlawyer is going to starve if he does not sell his pins in 10 days. Or 20 days. Or 30 days.
My Laser Cue was up on CL for 2 months before I got the buyer I was looking for. CL was free listing. If I were having to pay for newspaper ads a 60 day wait would have been expensive.
Quoted from drsfmd:
That's an average of $3,750 each. That's well above full-blown-retail-with-a-warranty-from-a-reputable-vendor pricing, not "discounted group buy".
Quoted from yancy:
Discounted from what he wants for them, apparently. Restored ones like Ali might command that kind of coin. Rare ones like Viper too.
Dragonfist is the rare unit with only 302 produced. Catacomb's production numbers are unknown. I did some swagging awhile back and IMO, less than 1000 units of Catacomb were produced. I'm thinking Catacomb was in the 900 unit range. Both of these pins have sold for an amount in excess of $3500.00 recently. Last year, a restored Seawitch brought $4000.00.
Quoted from vbittnv:
Yup, not going to happen as a group. Individually some are worth that $$ but a meteor sure isn't.
Why not? You catch that one buyer who wants an instant classic Stern collection, has the bucks, and does not want to dick around with barn finds and fixer uppers and they all could be gone in one truck.
Quoted from vbittnv:
Yup, more money than brains.. its true. You are correct.. you might sell this. Even if I had the money I wouldnt buy these. I would want clear coated touched up playfields for that money.. I don't care for the "survivor" palyfields on these games cause they still look like crap even if hardly played as typically the inserts have shifted creating the cracking between the insert and the wood. They will continue to wear quickly also as there is just no protection and the chipped/raised edges will wear immediately. The Meteor in this ad's playfield is probably the nicest non touched up playfield Ive seen in that game.. but the inserts borders still look like hell. Check out the pics. For a $4k Meteor, I'd want a practically new game, new playfield, new everything. This era of games are VERY hot right now, but his 3 ads have been sitting over a month... Meaning the prices are too high... Sorry but that is the truth. Fairly priced and these games move in 24 hours. You want top dollar for non restored survivor games.. it might take quite a while .
I don't know where you are coming up with non-restored survivor games. The OP can can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the Viper, Seawitch, Ali, Catacomb, and Dragonfist have been clear coated and restored.
I know, and he has said as much, but several months ago, several classic Stern NOS play fields were up on Ebay. Big Game was one of those play fields and he has one of those.
I own 5 of the same pins being sold here. I did it the hard way. 500 miles one-way to buy this one. 1100 to buy this one. 1600 to buy this one. etc. Forget the time involved. You are talking a lot of gas, a lot of tire wear, wear and tear on the car, motel expenses, crappy highway food. If I had the money I spent on all of these and the money I still need to spend, going all in for a 5-pin group buy sounds reasonable.
His ads have been sitting for over a month. I see that. So what? He can always come down on a price. He could price them for $1000.00 each and the sharks would clean him out in 10 minutes. Make him and offer. I bet you can get that Meteor for way less than $4000.00 if you were to make an offer. But the Viper, Dragonfist, and Catacomb are going to cost you. He already said as much.
But as you say, you don't have the money, so basically, you are just kicking tires, anyway.
Quoted from vbittnv:
Never said I'd offer $1000 for that meteor... settle down there big boy... I said it's not worth $4k.
Go back and read what I wrote. I never said you offered $1000.00. I said he could drop his prices to $1000.00 and the sharks would clean him out.
And other than someone offered up a $3750.00 average price I don't know where you came up with a $4000.00 price for the Meteor. What I said is that you could go make and offer and you could probably get it for way less than $4000.00.
I need to correct myself. I read his opening post again: "Three beautifully restored: Catacomb, Viper and Dragonfist. Seawitch and Nine ball above average. Meteor gorgeous. Big Game players, but with NOS PF. What would you ask?"
Catacomb, Dragonfist and Viper are restored. I do know that several weeks ago he put out a price he would like to get for his Catacomb. It was up there and out of my range.
His games sitting for 30 days does not mean that are over-priced. It means they are not priced at Bob's Bargain Basement prices. He is asking you where he should price them at. The worst mistake a seller can make is to price his merchandise too cheap. What should he price them at?
We both know that the $4000.00 Meteor price that you came up with is fiction. So, what's it worth? Do you have a price in mind? $500.00? $1000.00? $1500.00? A real nice Meteor just sold for $1500.00 at TPF. $1500.00 did not work for me so I did not buy it. But it was worth $1500.00 to somebody.
I agree with you; This era of pins are on fire. Some of these Sterns are going nuts. I got mine for way less than what they are selling for now. I'm no buyer at today's prices but I am not a seller, either. I feel lucky to have the ones that I do have because they are a blast to play.
In your opinion, what is a Meteor worth? What is his Catacomb worth? We know you are not a buyer because you said you don't have the money. So what price would make you sell your children so you could raise the money to buy?
Quoted from Mitch:
None of those are hard to get in good condition or that hard to find.
I beg to differ.
Up where they seem to be falling from the sky you might be be swimming in them. But not where I live. My Cat, Dragonfist, were each 1500 miles from home. Even Big Games don’t show up much.
Those two NOS BG play fields came up not long after I had my play field restored. Timing kept me from buying one of those. I have toyed with the idea of selling my Big Game and buying yours. Restored is nice but there is no comparison to NOS.
I have to ask: You do not say your Seawitch or Ali have been restored, but those play fields look to be clear coated. How do you make them look so shiny if not clear coated?
Quoted from vbittnv:
Me not having the money means my 30k would never leave my hand for that lot. It's not a bulk DEAL! Like I said I would never pay $4k for a non restored meteor. NONE WILL!!! The approx $4k price was from a previous poster averaging the games.. or was it $3750.. Either way, $250 ain't making a difference on getting that game sold.
I'm not wasting my time. You are correct.. All of these games are worth $5k easy and they are actually all under-priced.
Any yes, all of his listed games have been sitting over a month means that are all perfectly priced.
You win cottonm4. Ill check back in 3 months when these games are still for sale in this post at the same asking prices... and it will still mean that are not overpriced because you said so.
Just for reference and not sure what you are still internet arguing but the OP actually agreed that the games are overpriced. Post 12.
Have a good night cottonm4 and good luck to the OP to sell these great games.. since you asked for opinions, lower the prices like everybody said( except for cottonm4, he thinks they are fine ). These pins currently are at not gonna sell prices, but wishful thinking prices as snyper2099 mentioned.
Looks like these pins are going to gone fairly quick.
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