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theme aside, best bang for the buck Stern Pro?

By JakeFAttie

3 months ago


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    “Best Pro model Modern Stern is...”

    • Venom 1 vote
    • Foo Fighters 4 votes
      1%
    • James Bond 14 votes
      5%
    • Rush 8 votes
      3%
    • Godzilla 22 votes
      8%
    • Mando 2 votes
      1%
    • Led Zep 1 vote
    • Avengers IQ 7 votes
      2%
    • Teenage Turtles 8 votes
      3%
    • Stranger Things 5 votes
      2%
    • Star Wars 3 votes
      1%
    • Jurassic Park 28 votes
      10%
    • Black Knight 4 votes
      1%
    • Munsters 1 vote
    • Deadpool 60 votes
      21%
    • Iron Maiden 33 votes
      12%
    • Guardians of the Galaxy 6 votes
      2%
    • AC/DC 1 vote
    • Aerosmith 4 votes
      1%
    • Ghostbusters 7 votes
      2%
    • Game of Thrones 2 votes
      1%
    • Kiss 1 vote
    • Walking Dead 19 votes
      7%
    • Iron Man 2 votes
      1%
    • Mustang 2 votes
      1%
    • Metallica 18 votes
      6%
    • Star Trek 15 votes
      5%
    • The Avengers 0 votes
    • Xmen 4 votes
      1%
    • Transformers 0 votes
    • Tron 2 votes
      1%

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    #1 3 months ago

    if you didn't care about theme and could only afford one modern Stern Pro model, which would you choose? Let's say you're going to be stuck with it for ten years and it'll be your only pin. Which Pro has the best design, code, and long term playability for a collection of one?

    #2 3 months ago

    TWD right now is low. Buy low.

    #3 3 months ago
    Quoted from JakeFAttie:

    if you didn't care about theme and could only afford one modern Stern Pro model, which would you choose? Let's say you're going to be stuck with it for ten years and it'll be your only pin. Which Pro has the best design, code, and long term playability for a collection of one?

    First I’d look at PF bang for the buck. It’ll be hard for the DMD’s to compete with LCDs (not only do you have the screen but RGB lighting is more commonplace now).
    Moving on to Round 2 - MET, ST, TWD, XM, GB, IMDN, DP, JP, STH, TMNT, 007, AIQ, and Foo.

    Now we can weed out ones with less than ideal designs, either design flaws or boring layouts.
    Moving on to Round 3 - ST, TWD, XM, IMDN, DP, JP, STH, AIQ, and Foo.

    Then since I’m owning it for 10 years and playing it as my only game, I’m sorry but I’m axing anything with Lonnie as the lead. It’s my only game damnit. Moving on to Round 4 - TWD, XM, IMDN, DP, JP, AIQ, and Foo.

    Lastly is personal preference.
    Moving to the championship round - TWD, IMDN, JP, and Foo.

    Here it’s splitting hairs because it’s all I can play for 10 years. But if we have to get down to one, it’s between JP and TWD so I don’t listen to the same band’s greatest hits and get sick of it. Of the last two, it depends which side of the bed I get out that given day. Thinking TWD, but I don’t know how I can pass on JP. That’s a toughie.
    Flipping a mental coin - TWD wins.

    #4 3 months ago

    I'd say Godzilla by a hair over Jurassic Park. The one downside of Godzilla is the lengthy play time and bloat in the rules (you can go like twenty minutes between kaiju battles doing all the side features), but that's what you want for a hypothetical scenario of ten years being your only pin.

    This is assuming we're neglecting the price difference between different pros, although I don't think that changes things. Something like AIQ or Mando might be 15% cheaper than GZ/JP but has more than 15% worse bang.

    This also assumes we're neglecting the existence of the premium where you might feel deprived with only the pro. If the question is which pro where you won't miss the premium-ness, that might shift it to Jurassic or maybe Maiden or Bond.

    #5 3 months ago

    As far as very little difference between the pro and prem model imo it would be TMNT and for me the pro actually plays better then the prem.

    #6 3 months ago

    Probably Deadpool or Rush. They’re not physically significantly different than the Prem/LEs, and have great gameplay/code/sound/music. You can even add Expression Lights to Rush Pro.

    Iron Man is awesome & never gets boring despite having simpler rules, but there’s no Prem/LE - so not sure it belongs in this poll.

    #7 3 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    TWD right now is low. Buy low.

    TWD is TWD. Buy TWD!

    #8 3 months ago

    High Roller Casino. Way more mechs and toys than most and is just fun.

    #9 3 months ago

    Based on sales and popularity when released, I can think of a few with lasting power.

    ACDC
    Star Trek
    Metallica
    Walking Dead
    Jurassic Park
    Godzilla

    #10 3 months ago

    TWD and Stern Star Trek are both awesome values in the current market.

    #11 3 months ago

    This is not answerable.

    I can't speak to what you should love.

    Some machines speak to me very personally, and those machines are the greatest 'bang for the buck'. Even though Twilight Zone is an expensive game, it's the best 'bang for the buck', because I personally really enjoy that game.

    The only way you can answer this is to play all of these games, find what YOU like, and don't listen to people who tell you what to love.

    #12 3 months ago
    Quoted from PinRetail:

    This is not answerable.
    I can't speak to what you should love.
    Some machines speak to me very personally, and those machines are the greatest 'bang for the buck'. Even though Twilight Zone is an expensive game, it's the best 'bang for the buck', because I personally really enjoy that game.
    The only way you can answer this is to play all of these games, find what YOU like, and don't listen to people who tell you what to love.

    Yeah, but is that TZ the "pro" version?

    #13 3 months ago
    Quoted from PinRetail:

    This is not answerable.

    It is though.

    Quoted from PinRetail:

    The only way you can answer this is to play all of these games, find what YOU like, and don't listen to people who tell you what to love.

    Except this isn't a "Buy advice" thread. If you read the question, OP is asking for what "YOU" would have as "YOUR" only pin for 10 years and why. So each and every person that replies with a Stern Pro instead of saying "I can't pick what you like, go out and play a bunch" are actually answering the original question.

    #14 3 months ago

    TWD

    Iron Man is also awesome. Star Trek if you prefer easier games

    #16 3 months ago

    sorry, Levi, the people have spoken and Deadpool is the clear winner.

    #17 3 months ago

    Jp-pro. Great game. Great progression. Great ruleset.

    And honestly if you haven't got kids playing, fascinated by toys, it's just as good as the premium.

    #18 3 months ago

    spiderman (not vault)

    #19 3 months ago

    The James Bond pro would be my pick. We have an LE and it is bolted to the floor and the last machine we'd ever sell or trade (out of a Zilla prem, AIQ prem, MBrSE). I've played a Bond pro and it is an amazing game. Just a flow monster.

    JB007's code isn't done yet and it already has incredibly deep code with 24 "base modes" (4 that have two-ball MBs), five mini-wizard modes (including the BJB timed mode), two stackable/independent MBs, smart missiles and then Bond girl multipliers that can go to 7X (and a ball save).

    Deadpool is a great pro, too. But JB007 is a step above because of its depth, video assets, PF shots and flow. Deadpool is a game you can love playing from minute 1. JB007 is a game that grows on you. 10 years with it? Yes, please.

    #20 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Time warp as always

    That’s…BANANAS!

    #21 3 months ago

    Iron maiden and Metallica

    #22 3 months ago

    JP for longevity as a single pin. I have a pro and a premium and while the toys on the premium are cool the pro sacrifices nothing in game play.

    #23 3 months ago

    I said Deadpool. Voted not only with how good it is, but also what you 'lose' by going Pro vs Premium.

    #24 3 months ago

    well the results are more or less in with 134 votes.

    Deadpool by a mile for first place.
    Walking Dead in second,
    JP and Iron Maiden in tie for third.

    Only surprise for me was Walking Dead doing so well. I guess that game is well loved. I'm going to have to give it another play somewhere.
    Also a little surprised Godzilla didn't do better, I guess folks feel the premium is worth it there.
    Also not much love for Venom of Foo Fighters.

    #25 3 months ago

    I voted JP but TWD is right there too. The escape nublar mini game is just too fun on its own. The ability to add the movie code is also a great expansion.

    #26 3 months ago

    not on the list and that is because they only have one fully loaded playfield that in todays standard is a PREMIUM and is the best bang for your buck PREMIUM but the ops question was Pro . Therefore their is no spoon !

    Quoted from ccbiggsoo7:spiderman (not vault)

    #27 3 months ago
    Quoted from Jenk540i:

    JP for longevity as a single pin. I have a pro and a premium and while the toys on the premium are cool the pro sacrifices nothing in game play.

    Curious...why do you have a pro and a premium?

    #28 3 months ago

    Deadpool wins

    #29 3 months ago
    Quoted from JakeFAttie:

    well the results are more or less in with 134 votes.
    Deadpool by a mile for first place.
    Walking Dead in second,
    JP and Iron Maiden in tie for third.
    Only surprise for me was Walking Dead doing so well. I guess that game is well loved. I'm going to have to give it another play somewhere.
    Also a little surprised Godzilla didn't do better, I guess folks feel the premium is worth it there.
    Also not much love for Venom of Foo Fighters.

    When I think of bang for the buck Pro Vs. Prem, it’s going to be Pros that either don’t feel that stripped down or Pros that don’t have features that weren’t good on the Prem. Walking Dead Prem’s got stuff like the Bike Girl & Crossbow that aren’t that great…Pro ditched them but still has great Lyman code. Godzilla is the opposite…all the things that make the Prem great are gone/static. There’s a giant building staring you in the face that does nothing. Venom is totally stripped of its main gimmicks, and Foo is missing the upper playfield & Overdrive save.

    #30 3 months ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    Probably Deadpool or Rush. They’re not physically significantly different than the Prem/LEs, and have great gameplay/code/sound/music. You can even add Expression Lights to Rush Pro.
    Iron Man is awesome & never gets boring despite having simpler rules, but there’s no Prem/LE - so not sure it belongs in this poll.

    I think you’d have a change of heart on Deadpool when after playing it enough times at home, you realize EVERY left orbit shot goes into the pops - and that return from the pops es no bueno. That looping shot on the premium solidifies that games greatness. Add in how cool the drop targets are coded and integrated with its shot accuracy, and it’s an easy Pass on the pro for me.

    My vote goes to TWD, but only if the price is significantly less than its premium predecessor; ie definition of best bang for the buck.

    If we’re talking strictly NIB pros all at the same price. I’d say IMDN followed by Stranger Things.

    #31 3 months ago
    Quoted from Eskaybee:

    I think you’d have a change of heart on Deadpool when after playing it enough times at home, you realize EVERY left orbit shot goes into the pops - and that return from the pops es no bueno. That looping shot on the premium solidifies that games greatness. Add in how cool the drop targets are coded and integrated with its shot accuracy, and it’s an easy Pass on the pro for me.

    You don’t have to tell me, I own DP Prem & would never buy a Pro. I’m just humoring the discussion for those who consider Pros.

    #32 3 months ago

    I'm a little surprised Rush is getting no love on this thread. Great game with deep code if you can find one that is on sale right now with inventory left would make a great Pro to add to the collection. To me has a lot more staying power in playability than Deadpool.

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    #33 3 months ago

    Rush fuckin blows.

    It’s great if you are a Rush fan.

    Most people are not rush fans.

    Tired layout and dull rules. Grating Canadian dad humor.

    And way too much rush.

    I traded an AIQ for one and instantly
    Regretted it. And I did not much like owning AIQ.

    -3
    #34 3 months ago
    Quoted from aaron6920:

    I'm a little surprised Rush is getting no love on this thread. Great game with deep code if you can find one that is on sale right now with inventory left would make a great Pro to add to the collection. To me has a lot more staying power in playability than Deadpool.

    I keep trying to like the Rush machine because I love Rush. But I just friggin' hate that machine with a burning passion. It's one of the worst designs I've ever seen and has fatal problems that were easily correctable/preventable. When Stern first announced it, I thought it would be my first NIB pin. So glad I waited to play it. Ugh. Sorry to vent on something you like. Just saying there are reasons it didn't do better in this poll.

    #35 3 months ago
    Quoted from Nicholastree:

    But I just friggin' hate that machine with a burning passion. It's one of the worst designs I've ever seen

    Wrong. Like every music pin ever made, hate or like the tunes, but Rush is a fantastic pin. Rules are some of the best and layout is a more forgiving turtles. Borg designed a solid pin.

    #36 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Rush fuckin blows.
    It’s great if you are a Rush fan.
    Most people are not rush fans.
    Tired layout and dull rules. Grating Canadian dad humor.
    And way too much rush.
    I traded an AIQ for one and instantly
    Regretted it. And I did not much like owning AIQ.

    Rush is a hard game for most. Especially if you have no skills and just flip the ball around to stay alive.

    #37 3 months ago

    I owned a Rush and like the band, but yeah I agree with the criticisms, the game is no more than decent and I soured on it the longer I had it. Rush's flow is clunky, the geometry is all subtly wrong, every shot isn't quite in the sweet spot from its flipper, particularly the time machine is at a weird awkward angle. The scoop takes up too much space and leaves nowhere to flow from the right flipper; the angle is wrong to try to flow a fast feed through the bumpers and even if you do make it you've just got a high speed ball screaming past the upper flipper. Rush's layout reminds me of the band itself - technically impressive (with all the ways to feed the upper flipper) but viscerally hollow.

    Also the action button system (the weapon) is cumbersome, and the album combos aren't an improvement on TMNT, they're frustrating too, the problem is when you hit the wrong shot that goes into one you already did and you're stuck having to re-complete it to start over with one you want.

    I do like the rules structure, the long intricate song modes (and Rush's famously long songs are the right theme to have long modes), and the wide variety of multiballs to stack with them... but the downside is you *have* to do that, nobody is completing 12 to 20 shots for a song mode without draining on a single ball. The best part of Rush overall is the wizard modes, they're all an awesome hoot... but if you're not good enough to see them regularly, there's no payoff.

    Foo Fighters completely trumped Rush for me. That game actually has the flow that Rush thinks it does but doesn't.

    #38 3 months ago

    Jp seems loaded as a pro. The missing stuff doesn't really effect game play much. I kind of like the pro raptor setup anyways. The t Rex is just a cool factor.

    Maiden pro is a good one too.

    #39 3 months ago

    Maiden!!

    #40 3 months ago

    So Jake Fattie, since Deadpool won your poll does that mean you are buying one?

    Or was this just for shits and giggles?

    #41 3 months ago
    Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

    Rush is a hard game for most. Especially if you have no skills and just flip the ball around to stay alive.

    Who said it's hard? Game seemed pretty easy to me.

    Easy games can suck ass too ya know, eh?

    #42 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    Who said it's hard? Game seemed pretty easy to me.
    Easy games can suck ass too ya know, eh?

    Except, Rush doesn’t suck. It sucks for people who can’t hit the tight shots and have very little skill. It’s not for you, we get it.

    #43 3 months ago
    Quoted from CrazyLevi:

    So Jake Fattie, since Deadpool won your poll does that mean you are buying one?
    Or was this just for shits and giggles?

    mostly shits and giggles, but it does put deadpool higher on my personal list. Problem for me is I hate the backglass art, but that can be changed. With the price depression happening, it will be interesting to see how low deadpool pros go. If they hit $5k, I'd be very tempted, but we're not there yet. I voted for DP and love the playfield design.

    Like I said earlier, I figured DP was going to win this, I was more interested in seeing what else was considered a good deal in the pro range. I was also particularly curious how folks feel about the new titles like Venom and Foo and Rush and Bond. (apparently not too much excitement over the newer pros).

    Meanwhile Iron Maiden has climbed into second place and WD and JP are tired for third currently.

    #44 3 months ago

    Classic Pinside Chesnut; "if you don't like a game you must suck at it."

    I'd say I can't believe idiots still type this shit but um, I've probably said it too.

    #45 3 months ago
    Quoted from JakeFAttie:

    If they hit $5k, I'd be very tempted, but we're not there yet.

    If Stern's new marketing campaign of advertising games and merchandise on Spike 2 games takes off, the added revenue should result in them dropping the prices of all current titles.

    #46 3 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    I'd say I can't believe idiots still type this shit but um, I've probably said it too.

    Idiots still type this, in every game thread.

    The ironic thing is that if you think an out of the box Rush is a difficult game, YOU definitely suck at pinball!

    #47 3 months ago

    It takes a bit for a machine to be naturally hard these days. I would put TMNT & Beatles in there but not Rush.
    Then you have a lot of long Stern players like DP & GZ.

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    #48 3 months ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    It takes a bit for a machine to be naturally hard these days. I would put TMNT & Beatles in there but not Rush.
    Then you have a lot of long Stern players like DP & GZ.

    Not a single modern stern cornerstone is "hard" out of the box. They know that home buyers don't want frustrating, difficult games, which is why they are so forgiving, and why every code update makes games easier/higher scoring.

    Some certainly play longer than others, but if you want "hard" you have to make it that way. Removing rubbers/posts, turning off ball saves, making multiball harder to get yada yada yada.

    But then, we all know this, right? Certainly, anybody who has ever played in a real tournament does.

    Also, Rush is awful.

    #49 3 months ago

    The top 100 is never wrong. Best bang for buck based on trimmed median price listed on Pnside is ST followed by AIQ, Rush, and then Bond. If you can find a Deadpool for $5k, that probably changes (but math hurts, so not sure)
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    #50 3 months ago
    Quoted from Vino:

    Wrong. Like every music pin ever made, hate or like the tunes, but Rush is a fantastic pin. Rules are some of the best and layout is a more forgiving turtles. Borg designed a solid pin.

    I expressed an opinion about something subjective. It would be more accurate to say you “disagree” than to claim I was “wrong” about something factual.

    Quoted from Pinplayer1967:

    Rush is a hard game for most. Especially if you have no skills and just flip the ball around to stay alive.

    That’s a very nice way of telling someone they suck and are a loser who gives up when the going gets tough. Again, we simply disagree about the design of a game. I hate playing Rush. Period. I love playing some “tough” games and own an AIQ premium, a game many struggle with (*this past weekend I got four gems in a game. So at least I have “some skills” LoL).

    I’ve played about 15-20 games of Rush on two different machines. Hated every one of those games and was ready to walk away after ball one out of sheer boredom more than once. I still try to play it once in a while, because I WANT to like it. But so far it’s always the same: a waste of time and money.

    Just my experience.

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