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The TWIPY Awards - 2017 Pinball Awards **INPUT NEEDED!**


By pin2d

1 year ago



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    #1 1 year ago

    So we tried launching a vote for the TWIPYs today but it turned into a slow and painful train wreck. Much debate over which games should be included, etc., and I realized that the free Survey Monkey will only let me see 100 votes and the $35 monthly charge only allows 1,000 votes for the month. So we are using a different polling service and restarting and NEED YOUR INPUT!

    So FRESH start, which of these games should be included:

    Aerosmith
    Alien
    Attack From Mars Remake
    Batman '66
    Dialed In
    Houdini
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Lexi Lightspeed - Escape from Earth
    Pirates of the Caribbean
    Star Wars
    The Jetsons
    Thunderbirds
    Total Nuclear Annihilation

    Thoughts on questions or breakouts of these:
    Best Theme of the Year (based on theme ONLY)
    Best Theme Integration
    Best Sound/Callouts
    Best Artwork
    Best Rules/Code
    Best Lightshow
    Best Toys/Gimmicks
    Best Playfield Layout and Gameplay
    Best Display/Animations
    Best Game of the Year

    Thoughts on additional questions?
    Favorite pinball podcast? (write in)
    Favorite Twitch streamer? (write in)
    Favorite pinball YouTube channel? (write in)
    Favorite new mod (write in)
    Favorite code update (write in)
    ...

    Open to any and all ideas, let's get this thing ready for a do-over.

    From frolic in different thread:

    Quoted from frolic:

    Aerosmith
    Alien
    Dialed In
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Lexi Lightspeed - Escape from Earth
    Star Wars
    The Jetsons
    Total Nuclear Annihilation
    Batman66 (started shipping late December 2016, January 2017)
    When I used to do a music radio show, we cut off the annual tracks at Nov 30. So, annual awards were based on music released from Dec 1 of previous year to Nov 30 of this year. So something like Batman66 would be part of the current year's consideration.

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    #2 1 year ago

    Let's try to make this better than The Dundies:

    #3 1 year ago

    Thanks for all the input, keep it coming.

    #4 1 year ago

    Great ideas can’t wait to see the winners

    #5 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    Let's try to make this better than The Dundies: » YouTube video

    Nothing is better than the dundies. Good luck buddy!

    #6 1 year ago

    Remakes should be excluded from consideration, IMHO. Only machines that the public got hands-on for the first time ever in 2017 should be eligible.

    #7 1 year ago

    Not a very auspicious start.

    #8 1 year ago

    meh

    this was all started due to the crowning of TNA in the other online article as the best game of 2017 so it honestly failed out of the gate with a reactionary desire to crown something else (I noticed quickly that TNA was last in your poll list which was strange), then the inadvertent? leaving off of a few key games (Lexy) showed further personal biases, then the poll system had issues of locking some people out.

    Probably best to just chalk it up as a failed attempt and come back next year with a less biased/ better thoughtout poll in place.

    #9 1 year ago
    Quoted from DngrWillRobinson:

    Not a very auspicious start.

    Rest assured it won't happen again. After this debacle, several people in our organization were fired including our Director of Polls, Director of TWIPY Awards, and VP of New Ideas.

    Quoted from Whysnow:

    then the inadvertent? leaving off of a few key games (Lexy) showed further personal biases

    I left off Lexy by mistake and is part of the reason we're redoing the poll. That and Survey Monkey was limited to only 1,000 voters. Also we've lined up an interview with Gerry at Multimorphic to explain more about the P3 platform.

    Quoted from Whysnow:

    I noticed quickly that TNA was last in your poll list which was strange

    It was in alphabetical order dude.

    #10 1 year ago

    Here is what I'm thinking after receiving input from several others - the games that are eligible will be those that were/are shipping in 2017, and exclude remakes. That leaves:

    Aerosmith
    Alien
    Batman '66
    Dialed In
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Lexi Lightspeed - Escape from Earth
    Star Wars
    The Jetsons
    Total Nuclear Annihilation

    The questions will be:

    Best Theme of the Year (based on theme ONLY)
    Best Theme Integration
    Best Sound/Callouts
    Best Artwork
    Best Rules/Code
    Best Lightshow
    Best Toys/Gimmicks
    Best Playfield Layout and Gameplay
    Best Display/Animations
    Best Game of the Year

    Favorite pinball podcast? (write in)
    Favorite Twitch streamer? (write in)
    Favorite pinball YouTube channel? (write in)
    Favorite new mod (write in)
    Favorite code update (write in)

    Any suggestions or changes? Let me know!

    #12 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    Aerosmith
    Alien
    Batman '66
    Dialed In
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Lexi Lightspeed - Escape from Earth
    Star Wars
    The Jetsons
    Total Nuclear Annihilation

    I thought BM66 delivered in 2016?

    #13 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    I thought BM66 delivered in 2016?

    It was in December. There was comment in the other thread about awards 'of the year' cutting off on Nov 30th, so that something that tails in at the very end doesn't get screwed due to lack of exposure. So BM66 being in the 2017 list makes decent sense.

    #14 1 year ago

    Code update could probably be done as a list of options rather than a write-in, as I'm assuming the list is relatively finite and I'd be a bit concerned that a lot of voters may not have the version numbers memorized (but I am biased as I hate compiling write-in responses so I avoid it whenever practical).

    Could do best pinball show and/or best tournament, using conditions (size threshold/PAPA circuit) if you want to provide a list, write-in if not.

    #15 1 year ago

    If you make the list TOO big some people won't bother to vote just because of the size of the survey.

    #16 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    It was in alphabetical order dude.

    How dare you use alphabetical order when you know TNA would be last! lol

    #17 1 year ago
    Quoted from DennisK:

    Code update could probably be done as a list of options rather than a write-in, as I'm assuming the list is relatively finite and I'd be a bit concerned that a lot of voters may not have the version numbers memorized (but I am biased as I hate compiling write-in responses so I avoid it whenever practical).

    I could see favorite code update question getting a little convoluted...

    #18 1 year ago
    Quoted from Matesamo:

    How dare you use alphabetical order when you know TNA would be last! lol

    Lol. Yep, in these cases Reverse Alphabetical Order is preferred.

    #19 1 year ago
    Quoted from Matesamo:

    How dare you use alphabetical order when you know TNA would be last! lol

    taken in the context of the TWIRPYs being created due to the other article, the omission of some other key games, and the most logical formant for an annual poll would be chronological from most recent release to least... the biases were pointed out.

    As I said before, all polls are biased... some are just more clearly biased.

    #20 1 year ago
    Quoted from epthegeek:

    If you make the list TOO big some people won't bother to vote just because of the size of the survey.

    The form can be designed as drop-down boxes. That would cut down on visible size but still allow selecting choices. Would look cleaner and like less of a time-sink.

    Quoted from Whysnow:

    taken in the context of the TWIRPYs being created due to the other article, the omission of some other key games, and the most logical formant for an annual poll would be chronological from most recent release to least...

    Just randomize the answer choices, as it avoids any perception of gamesmanship. Google Forms supports this for many of the question types (just click on the three vertically stacked dots at the bottom of the question and check "shuffle option order"). And that's it, (perceived) problem solved.

    #21 1 year ago

    Is voting closed?

    #22 1 year ago
    Quoted from Nevus:

    Is voting closed?

    We're doing a new poll, should be ready to go in the coming days.

    I'm planning to use Google Forms unless anyone else has a better suggestion?

    #23 1 year ago

    What is TWIPY short for?

    #24 1 year ago

    Not sure of the y (Yearly?) but it’s TWIP= This Week In Pinball

    #25 1 year ago
    Quoted from Pinball-is-great:

    What is TWIPY short for?

    *T*his *W*eek *I*n *P*inball *Y*early awards.

    Steve Bowden of Fun With Bonus came up with the name.

    #26 1 year ago

    The TWIPYies are a great gig - remember me for your consideration in best Twitch Streamer

    All looks good pin2d!

    Neil

    #27 1 year ago

    A negative part of Google Forms - in order to limit it to 1 vote per person, the voters have to have a Google account. Another option that wouldn't require a sign in is to require an email address which would help me weed out obvious fakes or repeat voters.

    I think both would be preferable to allowing people to vote as many times as they want. Which option would be least annoying?

    #28 1 year ago

    Leaning towards making voters have a Google account. It is free and would eliminate any duplicate votes to ensure the integrity of the voting system.

    #29 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    Leaning towards making voters have a Google account. It is free and would eliminate any duplicate votes to ensure the integrity of the voting system.

    I have 4 different google accounts. (They are free and I use them all for different things)

    Just pointing out that having the google account does not really ensure integrity.

    I honestly would just make a different poll thread for each question on here. That at least helps avoid double voting and also makes it very simple since people here seem to liek to vote in polls.

    #30 1 year ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    I have 4 different google accounts. (They are free and I use them all for different things)
    Just pointing out that having the google account does not really ensure integrity.

    Yeah I have a couple as well. I'm more concerned with someone voting like 100+ times. Though really, it isn't like we're giving away a free pinball machine to the winners or anything.

    #31 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    Yeah I have a couple as well. I'm more concerned with someone voting like 100+ times. Though really, it isn't like we're giving away a free pinball machine to the winners or anything.

    Which pinball machine - game of the year or any category winner?

    #32 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Which pinball machine - game of the year or any category winner?

    I meant we're NOT giving away big prizes, so I'm less worried about ballot stuffing. But still want to avoid it as much as possible.

    #33 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    we're giving away a free pinball machine to the winners

    Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #34 1 year ago

    Google authentication is the most painless (on your end) and will avoid asking people to submit email addresses (which, in my experience, makes some people suspicious). It isn't perfect protection but it is low barrier for all involved to comply with and should eliminate concerns about scripted stuffing efforts. Just declare it is required in the voting announcement so no one is blindsided and you're covered (probably will still get some complaints, so just expect that).

    #35 1 year ago
    Quoted from DennisK:

    probably will still get some complaints, so just expect that

    I'd hate to get complaints, so far everything has run so smoothly with this

    #36 1 year ago

    We've had more complaints about our various just-for-fun tournament approaches than we've ever received regarding our podcast commentary. People take their polls super-serious!

    #37 1 year ago

    Whichever survey tool you finalize on, can you pick one that displays live results?

    #38 1 year ago
    Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:

    Whichever survey tool you finalize on, can you pick one that displays live results?

    Leaning towards no... We may try to do a live TWIPY Awards show and wouldn't want to ruin any surprises

    #40 1 year ago

    The game of the year! Should be Dialed In!

    #41 1 year ago

    Ok everyone we are locked and loaded and ready to launch the TWIPY Awards voting tomorrow! Again! Thanks for the help and input.

    #42 1 year ago

    Man what did the Twip crew due to Hilton?

    #43 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Man what did the Twip crew due to Hilton?

    That's just Hilton being Hilton.

    #44 1 year ago
    Quoted from TheLaw:

    Man what did the Twip crew due to Hilton?

    It has been rumored that we here at TWIP headquarters have a personal bias against TNA.

    We here at TWIP headquarters have also talked to Spooky (Charlie) about making TNA our first NIB pin purchase (waiting to decide until we play it at a nearby location that has one on order).

    So we believe the rumors of bias to be unfounded.

    #45 1 year ago
    Quoted from pin2d:

    It has been rumored that we here at TWIP headquarters have a personal bias against TNA.
    We here at TWIP headquarters have also talked to Spooky (Charlie) about making TNA our first NIB pin purchase (waiting to decide until we play it at a nearby location that has one on order).
    So we believe the rumors of bias to be unfounded.

    TWIP World Headquarters, making or breaking pinball sales with a swipe of their pen.

    #46 1 year ago

    Why wouldn't we want this to be like the Dundies? I would like to win bushiest beaver award, please. Or most time spent in prison.

    #47 1 year ago
    Quoted from Matesamo:

    TWIP World Headquarters

    You should see it, it looks really similar to Apple's HQ.

    The voting is live now, I started a thread this morning that I'm trying to get "stickied": https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-2017-twipy-pinball-awards-live-awards-show-vote-now

    Here is the direct link to vote: https://goo.gl/forms/5tUPMcGcVPiZe0Eo2

    Thanks again for all the input.

    #48 1 year ago

    Something's wrong with your poll, I can only vote once.

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