Quoted from Ronnie1114:Well, any arcade/barcade in WA state will be closed for a least a month... Thats gonna hurt
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/king-county-and-washington-state-to-act-on-bars-restaurants-and-gatherings/
Yup, Governor Jay Inslee has ordered all bars, restaurants, theaters, and entertainment/recreational facilities to close for 8 weeks.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:You can't have it both ways, so from the data:
If 100k+ people have it in states like Ohio and only ~30 people have died, mortality is well below even .1% more like .03% that's very very minimal.
for someone who proclaims to dislike disinformation you're spreading it: the death rate distribution for this virus is not flat. It's heavily skewed towards people 60 and older. That's why Italy is seeing many more deaths as is Washington.
The problem with the US are the community transmissions and the growth rate and the fact we're acting late. We should have followed Taiwan and Korea but no, we're just so much smarter.
Quoted from pinballOsp:for someone who proclaims to dislike disinformation you're spreading it: the death rate distribution for this virus is not flat. It's heavily skewed towards people 60 and older. That's why Italy is seeing many more deaths as is Washington.
The problem with the US are the community transmissions and the growth rate and the fact we're acting late. We should have followed Taiwan and Korea but no, we're just so much smarter.
Nice, taking one out of the MSM pages. I made a general statement of the virus' mortality and it was rough estimates off rough figures. You decided to be specific about it and improperly apply what I said out of context. That's nearly the definition of disinformation and fake news LMFAO. Every single disease ever has a skewed mortality towards people who are older and already sick, that's not rocket science. Just because I challenged your worldview with facts doesn't mean you should make up nonsense to try and "prove me wrong" when you furthered my original point 
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:If 100k+ people have it in states like Ohio and only ~30 people have died, mortality is well below even .1% more like .03% that's very very minimal.
Re: the 100,000 thing, I dont know if that's actually the case. But what the public health officials are getting is that the number of people with it currently is larger than the number currently tested positive, for one, because testing has been limited, and two, because there are a number of people who have it, but have not started showing symptoms or been affected.
My thoughts: were going to see big increases in the number of confirmed cases in the coming days, and you'll eat your words. These are just my thoughts, I'm not an expert. I hope I am wrong, and things improve.
Quoted from wlf_:Re: the 100,000 thing, I dont know if that's actually the case. But what the public health officials are getting is that the number of people with it currently is larger than the number currently tested positive, for one, because testing has been limited, and two, because there are a number of people who have it, but have not started showing symptoms or been affected.
My thoughts: were going to see big increases in the number of confirmed cases in the coming days, and you'll eat your words. These are just my thoughts, I'm not an expert. I hope I am wrong, and things improve..
It doesn't need to be precisely accurate, if the number is an order of magnitude larger than the current load of cases then what I said still stands, it was a general estimation.
If we do see huge increased then I won't be eating my words because I just explained that would be a GOOD thing.
If there are tens of thousands of UNDIAGNOSED cases RIGHT NOW, then those people are experiencing symptoms MILD enough that they are functioning just FINE and DIDN'T need to go to a hospital. So with large testing batches we discover MANY people are afflicted but AREN'T DEAD then the disease isn't as severe as we first thought. Hopefully this basic concept makes sense to you.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:If we do see huge increased then I won't be eating my words because I just explained that would be a GOOD thing.
If there are tens of thousands of UNDIAGNOSED cases RIGHT NOW, then those people are experiencing symptoms MILD enough that they are functioning just FINE and DIDN'T need to go to a hospital. So with large testing batches we discover MANY people are afflicted but AREN'T DEAD then the disease isn't as severe as we first thought. Hopefully this basic concept makes sense to you
How's about this notion... people have it, or get it, and they are not yet recovered... they can still become deaths. Hopefully this basic concept makes sense to you.
Theres no point in arguing with you, clearly. Go out and lick door knobs if you feel things are fine?
Quoted from pinballOsp:for someone who proclaims to dislike disinformation you're spreading it: the death rate distribution for this virus is not flat. It's heavily skewed towards people 60 and older. That's why Italy is seeing many more deaths as is Washington.
The problem with the US are the community transmissions and the growth rate and the fact we're acting late. We should have followed Taiwan and Korea but no, we're just so much smarter.
It depends on where you live. We've got less than 10 confirmed cases in South Dakota. Yet all schools, public events, churches, universities, and athletic clubs are closed down. And many businesses are shuttered too. For less than 10 cases! We have no curve here to flatten. Yes, eventually cases will increase, but sensible measures can slow growth. We don't need to go full "Contagion" lock-down for this. At least not yet, and at least not here.
Why do people seem to think the only options are licking doorknobs or wearing a hazmat suit? There are measures inbetween those two extremes that can be taken. Also, just because someone thinks the COVID-19 response doesn't match the threat, doesn't mean that they're an idiot with their head in the sand. And don't hide behind the fact that cities and states have mandated shutdowns. If anyone here has actually attended city-council meetings, or watched the kind of laws that come out of state houses, then they'd know that plenty of reactionary and poorly thought-out decisions come from local and state governments.
Our response should match the threat, and in many regions of the US, the threat is very low. Reducing interstate travel (except for commercial trucking), would seem to be a smart move to reduce the spread. Not trapping people in their homes, damaging small businesses, and causing severe financial distress, for the sake of single digit cases (in many states). But that's just my opinion! Last time I checked we're all still allowed to have those, right? 
Quoted from DakotaMike:It depends on where you live. We've got less than 10 confirmed cases in South Dakota. Yet all schools, public events, churches, universities, and athletic clubs are closed down. And many businesses are shuttered too. For less than 10 cases! We have no curve here to flatten. Yes, eventually cases will increase, but sensible measures can slow growth. We don't need to go full "Contagion" lock-down for this. At least not yet, and at least not here.
Why do people seem to think the only options are licking doorknobs or wearing a hazmat suit? There are measures inbetween those two extremes that can be taken. Also, just because someone thinks the COVID-19 response doesn't match the threat, doesn't mean that they're an idiot with their head in the sand. And don't hide behind the fact that cities and states have mandated shutdowns. If anyone here has actually attended city-council meetings, or watched the kind of laws that come out of state houses, then they'd know that plenty of reactionary and poorly thought-out decisions come from local and state governments.
Our response should match the threat, and in many regions of the US, the threat is very low. Reducing interstate travel (except for commercial trucking), would seem to be a smart move to reduce the spread. Not trapping people in their homes, damaging small businesses, and causing severe financial distress, for the sake of single digit cases (in many states). But that's just my opinion! Last time I checked we're all still allowed to have those, right?
Remember that the # of cases is just confirmed cases. Testing still is minimal. Estimated numbers are that it may be much higher overall (which may be a good thing as it might mean the mortality rate is lower).
Quoted from DakotaMike:It depends on where you live. We've got less than 10 confirmed cases in South Dakota. Yet all schools, public events, churches, universities, and athletic clubs are closed down. And many businesses are shuttered too. For less than 10 cases! We have no curve here to flatten. Yes, eventually cases will increase, but sensible measures can slow growth. We don't need to go full "Contagion" lock-down for this. At least not yet, and at least not here.
That's exactly when communities need to start to take precautions. If you wait until there are hundreds of cases to act, it's too late. Symptoms don't show up for 3-4 days and for most patients, life threatening symptoms don't appear until much longer (after 10 days). Learn from the mistakes (and actions that helped) that other countries/communities have made. This is all in a effort to not pull down the already burdened ER's at hospitals and to give the org's like the Red Cross and National Guard time to set up areas to only treat this disease so that hospital employees are at a reduced risk of contracting it. I understand your frustration but everyone's actions either help this to get worse or help it to get better. You choose to do whatever you want... If that means doing nothing or doing a lot, that's fine. You can only control yourself and what you do (or don't do) and regardless of what you believe, everyone's decisions do matter in any crisis.
If your area is not affected much, great. In the future, it could possibly help treat patients from other cities that are really bad off. There is a big difference between 20 people that need a ventilator to live and 200 people that need one to live.
Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:The amount of rabid misinformation from internet denizens, medical doctors, "experts", actual experts, the criminal news media (MSM), Et cetera is exhausting. And especially what's coming out of communist countries that have zero obligation to tell us the truth and a lot to gain from lying (which they have an extensively long history of doing) ((Hong-Kong protest numbers and fatalities, Tienanmen Square had tens of thousands killed, now suggested to be hundreds of thousands, China still claims a few hundred died))!!
I had been holding my tongue from responding since nobody wants to hear news they disagree with. Funniest bit is when someone who is actually unqualified but considered knowledgeable is mistaken for an expert when they know the same as you or me. Just because someone is a mechanic doesn't mean they can tell you everything you need to know about the new Ferrari's rolling off the lot. We have specialists and even better we have epidemiologists and such, who are some of the only people you should be listening too and actually giving a shit over.
The amount of people on this site and in the real world who bitch and moan about exponential growth and then have no fucking clue how it works nor it's actual implications drives me through a wall.
You can't have it both ways, so from the data:If 100k+ people have it in states like Ohio and only ~30 people have died, mortality is well below even .1% more like .03% that's very very minimal.
If truly only 2k+ have it then mortality is really high but we seem to be taking the right steps and this virus is getting under control, so extremely few people have the deadly disease.
It’s weird that the people who “don’t trust the media” get their misinformation from some kind of media....and it has nothing to do with communism. Italy isn’t communist. South Korea isn’t communist. Get out of YOUR fake information propaganda bubble.
The ignorance you are spreading is dangerous. The stats about death rates are irrelevant. The true issue at hand is crowding of hospitals. If too many get it at once, hospitals are fucked. That will affect many people who get the virus, but also people having normal day to day medical problems. Someone could have a heart attack & normally be saved, but die due to hospital chaos.
The not overrunning our hospitals thing is paramount.
We could have a situation where an ER trauma comes in, someone in a car accident, and there are no ventilators available because they are used up by the Covid patients. What happens to that guy?
Quoted from Rarehero:Someone could have a heart attack & normally be saved, but die due to hospital chaos.
yes, exactly.
Quoted from snyper2099:That's exactly when communities need to start to take precautions. If you wait until there are hundreds of cases to act, it's too late. .
Yes, precautions must be taken. But appropriate precautions. The response should match the threat. I've never suggested doing nothing, quite the opposite. I think common sense measures like social-distancing should be taken, and quarantine and cordons applied where necessary. I think closing down schools and businesses causes a whole host of additional problems. And you can reach a situation where the cure is a bad as the disease, no pun intended. Ask any administrator of a large school, and they'll tell you that the school can end up being the only safe space a child has, and the only place they get nutritious meals. The financial burden on business owners and employees in this COVID-19 crisis goes without saying.
In a lot of cases, I think the closings are more so that governments and companies can be seen as "doing something." Rather than because the evidence supports the closings. For instance, I think it makes little sense to close schools in NW South Dakota, when we've only had a handful of confirmed cases in SE South Dakota (300+ miles away). But it is what it is. I don't make the rules, I just have to follow them. The Governor of my state says the schools are closed, then it's up to me to figure out childcare. No amount of complaining will change the situation.
Ah well, I don't hold it against anyone if they think we should be going farther, neither do I hold it against anyone who thinks we've gone too far. 
Quoted from Daditude:Travis Hintzel's Regeneration has pins and arcades as well.
OH HEY...thanks for the reminder, seriously! I still have not been over there! That's probably going to happen tomorrow. I was gonna take my younger one to Cidercade. Regeneration's a bit more of a kick in the butt to get to from where I'm at, and I'm much closer to Free Play, but I'll be happy to go to help these guys stay in business. FP has plenty of a dedicated community, I'd rather help the little guy. 
Just musing here, but this has me thinking a lot about all the small businesses and their employees who are at risk. The national focus is naturally on mitigating the health impact and mortality due to the outbreak, but there is comparatively little discussion regarding the economic morbidity consequences to the at-risk from the shutdown of society.
As a healthcare worker, I spend a lot of my time discussing risks versus benefits for various interventions, as well as weighing quality-of-life versus quality of life. I’m not sure we are fully exploring the risks of our interventions.
I suspect it will be an interesting debate for the historians several years from now.
Quoted from alveolus:Just musing here, but this has me thinking a lot about all the small businesses and their employees who are at risk. The national focus is naturally on mitigating the health impact and mortality due to the outbreak, but there is comparatively little discussion regarding the economic morbidity consequences to the at-risk from the shutdown of society.
As a healthcare worker, I spend a lot of my time discussing risks versus benefits for various interventions, as well as weighing quality-of-life versus quality of life. I’m not sure we are fully exploring the risks of our interventions.
I suspect it will be an interesting debate for the historians several years from now.
and after people get the 1K-100K bills from out of network dockers that will push big change in the system.
Quoted from Rarehero:The true issue at hand is crowding of hospitals. If too many get it at once, hospitals are fucked.
The reason that hospitals are screwed is because of for-profit mentalities driving their business decisions, based on declining reimbursements from Medicare and Insurance companies. The Affordable Care Act put the insurance companies in the driver’s seat of how health care is run. Declining revenues have forced hospitals and hospital systems to operate leaner and meaner, in order to maintain their margins. This means less inventory (viewed as waste), less staff, and less operational beds.
Healthcare used to have excess bed capacity which could have quickly been put back into service to absorb a pandemic demand on their resources. But now they are running so thin that there is little margin for error. The knock against healthcare was for being “inefficient” and “bloated”. But in healthcare, there needs to be some degree of excess, underutilized capacity for times such as these.
Currently, LTAC (long term Acute care) hospitals have been shuttering due to reimbursement cuts. LTACs have been the biggest part of the health care systems taking care of respiratory conditions post acute. Not a good time for less of those beds to be unavailable when pneumonia is the greatest threat from covid19.
It happened. Kentucky ordered all restaurants, bars, movie theatres, ect to be closed today by 5. This has of course shuddered large scale barcade in Louisville and new location in Indiana as well. Hopefully this doesn’t last long.
Quoted from Frax:OH HEY...thanks for the reminder, seriously! I still have not been over there! That's probably going to happen tomorrow. I was gonna take my younger one to Cidercade. Regeneration's a bit more of a kick in the butt to get to from where I'm at, and I'm much closer to Free Play, but I'll be happy to go to help these guys stay in business. FP has plenty of a dedicated community, I'd rather help the little guy.
Freeplay just announced they are struggling and may be closing their doors.
Quoted from Blitzburgh99:The Affordable Care Act put the insurance companies in the driver’s seat of how health care is run
Yeah because before the ACA things were peachy.
It's almost as if medicine shouldn't be ran like a business as the two are fundamentally at odds with one another. Perhaps if it was ran by another institute that provides communal good for everyone without the driving need to profit...
Our family of 4 is in isolation. The Mrs can work from home. I'm taking unpaid time off.
My wife has MS, an autoimmune disorder.
She takes an autoimmune suppressing Rx to control, edit: modify, her MS trajectory.
She's already sick too, so her immune system has 3 hurdles to overcome right now.
We isolate not because COVID-19 will certainly kill her, but because it might if there's no hospital beds.
Also, something terrifying, is how many MS relapses are caused by an autoimmune response to trauma (broken leg, car accident, etc) & sickness (specifically upper respiratory illness or fever).
I am on edge. Already this MS was stressful. We know she cant avoid illness & live in a bubble. But this COVID-19 is not normal bug. If there was ever a time for our family to take extra precautions, its now.
Like rarehero said, the real danger is not the bug, its the bug surpassing our medical resources. Once that happens dead bodies will be in cars in the parking lots & roadsides along every hospital beyond it's capacity.
COVID-19 can cause a relapse that could steal my wife's eyesight, her legs, her ability to speak... this is why we need to "flatten the curve".
If she cannot receive treatment the illness could manifest to a level that takes away her ability to see my daughter in her prom dress, dance with my son at his wedding or walk Disneyland with the kids once it reopens
Stay home if possible. Your disregard for others can ruin lives in ways that are unimaginable if we go beyond our medical resources.
Both my locations are closed due to Michigan mandated temporary closing of all bars and restaurants as of 3pm EDT 3/16/2020.
I'm still open. A mile north of me on Main Street in Hopkins, some bars/restaurants have closed due to lack of business. My health club in Minnetonka is closed through March 31st. No sauna/hot tub this morning.
If government shuts me down. I'll still be here everyday doing tech support stuff with only some overhead lights on.
LTG : )
Quoted from DakotaMike:but they seem to be forgetting about South Korea. South Korea's first confirmed case was around the same time as Italy's, and yet they've only had 56 deaths in Korea, not 1000+ like in Italy.
South Korea's COVID-19 mortality rate is, at current best estimates, about 0.6% on the upper end. With normal flu being about .1%. Scientists are still looking into why there is such a disparity between Italy and Korea. Given the current trends in America, there's no reason to think that we won't be more like Korea and less like Italy in severity.
South Korea's success (thus far) in battling COVID-19 didn't just "happen," they took measures to make that happen. If we want to be more like Korea and less like Italy, we would be wise to take similar measures. We screwed up royally by not getting spooled up on testing -- the CDC admitted as much. Here's decent article explaining what they've done, contrasting it vs. China's stricter measures (no surprise in a Communist country), and also showing their stats: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3075164/south-koreas-coronavirus-response-opposite-china-and
Quoted from Daditude:Freeplay just announced they are struggling and may be closing their doors.
http://freeplayinc.com/savethearcade/?fbclid=IwAR3MtTKeb4dOh3AXRU3FuM6ZBGuuOwRpRM7ryg3kXsTBOGWbr-P0DV_mcT4
Saw that while I was out for lunch. Ugh. =\
Salt Lake City ordered all bars and in restaurant dining closed as of 11pm tonite. Effectively kills location play for the next 30+ days.
In Portland, so far i have heard that Wedgehead and Quarterworld (although they were reportedly going to close for a few weeks to redo their floors anyway, but have not mentioned that in their public announcements) are both closing indefinitely (QW already, WH starting Weds this week). QW has already started offering home rentals (1 month minimum).
I hope all these places manage to reopen again when it's appropriate!
anyone saying it isnt a big deal would freak the fuck out if knowingly around someone with the virus. But this kind of prep with the toilet paper is scary, not because i wont be able to find any and properly wipe my ass when the time comes but because it just proves how stupid people actually are. you dont see empty toilet paper shelves when Florida is facing down a cat 4 or 5 hurricane. buy what you need for the week or two not the year! jesus H. christ people.
Quoted from wisefwumyogwave:... But this kind of prep with the toilet paper is scary, not because i wont be able to find any and properly wipe my ass when the time comes but because it just proves how stupid people actually are. you dont see empty toilet paper shelves when Florida is facing down a cat 4 or 5 hurricane. buy what you need for the week or two not the year! jesus H. christ people.
I posted these in one of the 100 other virus threads on Pinside. Local Walmart in a small, country town. Surprisingly, I was able to get some TP. Luckly, we stay stocked pretty well at all times. Cans of soup make excellent survival food - doesn't expire for years if you get them fresh. Couldn't even buy my OTC sinus meds - the cold and flu isle got hit rather hard too.
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Quoted from LTG:Minnesota is closing restaurants, bars, arcades, etc. etc. starting tomorrow at 5pm until Friday March 27th at 5pm.
This includes SS Billiards ( me )
LTG
Sorry to hear this, we’ll all pull through this, hopefully a bit wiser.
Blizzard Mountain Pinball in Conifer, CO closed last night. It was a voluntary closure (though in reality we had no choice). I believe most if not all the locations in the Denver Metro Area are closing as of tonight if they haven't already.
No idea how we'll make rent, though that isn't terribly important right now. We all need to stay healthy so we stay out of the healthcare system and allow those who need it access. Really, closing was a no-brainer.
We are basically isolating ourselves starting tomorrow (made last grocery runs today) and will either be at home, or at our arcade cleaning games, doing maintenance, etc. and will hope to be able to reopen. When (dare I say 'if'?) we do, everything will be in tip-top shape!!
If they limit transportation so we can't get from home to the arcade (despite both being isolated now) then I'm not sure what we'll do. Cross that bridge when we get to it I guess!
I work for a sub-contractor of Rogers, a major Canadian telecom company.
We we’re sent home today until May 1st. All non emergency calls are cancelled.
I’ll be applying for unemployment ASAP.
Quoted from Luckydogg420:I work for a sub-contractor of Rogers, a major Canadian telecom company.
We we’re sent home today until May 1st. All non emergency calls are cancelled.
I’ll be applying for unemployment ASAP.
tell your local news maybe this can be what is needed to kill the independent contractors in name only and make them have real employment rules covage.
In case anyone has realized...coronavirus presented itself in December in China. When did it get here? Late January or early February? That‘s only 45-60 days of a brand new virus that has never been seen and/or tested for before. To be where we are right now with our national response, local/state/federal, is pretty amazing and shows how great we are as a nation.
Quoted from LTG:Minnesota is closing restaurants, bars, arcades, etc. etc. starting tomorrow at 5pm until Friday March 27th at 5pm.
This includes SS Billiards ( me )
LTG
Something like this might help...you have a lot of friends on Pinside.
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MBW : )
All IFPA sanctioned events cancelled from 3/17/20 to 3/31/20. They said they will revisit after that date and see what is needed at that time.
Since I wont be able to go play pinball for awhile, I wish my MMR RE had already come in. Would make sequestering myself off from everyone more tolerable.
Quoted from TreyBo69:Yeah because before the ACA things were peachy.
It's almost as if medicine shouldn't be ran like a business as the two are fundamentally at odds with one another. Perhaps if it was ran by another institute that provides communal good for everyone without the driving need to profit...
Ok, I'll take my temp ban for promoting socialism
And who pray tell will pay for this.....
Richmond Pinball Collective voluntarily closed this weekend
Roanoke Pinball Museum voluntarily closed today
Though note neither of these are sole proprietorships like many
Any more closings out there ?
Quoted from mbwalker:Something like this might help...you have a lot of friends on Pinside.
Nice shirt.
My friends on Pinside chipped in 6 1/2 years ago for the refresh. Once was enough.
LTG : )
A few weeks ago I gave my treadmill away to my sister in law because I never use it. My gym is just down the street, and I prefer their equipment. Today they closed my gym for at least the next month. I should have held off on that gift a little while longer.
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