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The “temporarily closed or worried about having to close my arcade” thread

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    #1201 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    So can’t you sell one and bring in another new ? As I’ve reported we were forced to sell some pins (mostly in storage but some off the floor too - including our Adams) to get our debt load manageable. But honestly we hadn’t refreshed our pin lineup much in the last year. I used some of the proceeds to buy a new Avengers because we needed to freshen it up and also I didn’t want to give the impression it was fire sale going out of business time. The great thing about pins (as opposed to our videos which are seeming worth more as firewood or parts) is that they seem to hold their value well so that even if I have to liquidate the Avengers (unlikely but possible) I shouldn’t take that much of a haircut in doing so.
    Further I would suspect once winter hits (pandemic or not) you should kick back up some. We have always done well in winter. Of course blowing arctic air thru the place to keep circulation of fresh air is gonna be an interesting challenge, coat time I guess. But winter in Minnesota ain’t the same thing as winter in Virginia, that’s for sure

    Our custom shutter fan ventilation array works well in Virginia temperate weather, but on the really cold days it will have to be seen whether the HVAC can keep up. Summer was A-OK.

    Normally, one would use a HRV (heat recovery ventilator) system to bring in fresh air while simultaneously exhausting stale air. The system preserves the heat during the transfer, which saves the energy of reheating the incoming air.

    However, I am uncertain if preserving the heat also preserves the covid during the exchange process. Which would defeat the purpose.

    An interesting option is the Air King QuFresh. Only brings in outside air which is within suitable parameters, but on especially cold/humid days it wouldn't turn on at all. Think of it more like a low-cost auxiliary to other solutions (MERV13 filters, brute force shutter fans, etc). I'm going to put one in my house as a simple background air refresher.

    #1202 3 years ago
    Quoted from JohnnyPinball007:

    Do the 2 companies pay you ok?
    You already help so many people here, if you are just working for free for companies that needs to end.
    Techs in my area get 125.00 minimum for a house call.

    If they are not paying you well and helping you with what you need that just sucks.
    You may do a lot better to make house calls.
    BUT, I do get it is important to enjoy what you do and money is not everything.
    I wish LTG and all the operators the best!

    Lloyd has been extremely loyal to JJP since WOZ.

    The reason he added "JJP tech support" to his name is because one night 6 or 7 years ago, I decided to have a couple of adult beverages and accused him of being a shill. (I've always felt bad about that.... I was an A-hole)

    I doubt he gets paid by JJP, but who knows. I'd want Lloyd on my team if I was a manufacturer. Terrific ambassador for pinball and all around great guy.

    #1203 3 years ago
    Quoted from NicoVolta:

    Our custom shutter fan ventilation array works well in Virginia temperate weather, but on the really cold days it will have to be seen whether the HVAC can keep up. Summer was A-OK.
    Normally, one would use a HRV (heat recovery ventilator) system to bring in fresh air while simultaneously exhausting stale air. The system preserves the heat during the transfer, which saves the energy of reheating the incoming air.
    However, I am uncertain if preserving the heat also preserves the covid during the exchange process. Which would defeat the purpose.
    An interesting option is the Air King QuFresh. Only brings in outside air which is within suitable parameters, but on especially cold/humid days it wouldn't turn on at all. Think of it more like a low-cost auxiliary to other solutions (MERV13 filters, brute force shutter fans, etc). I'm going to put one in my house as a simple background air refresher.

    Nic you need a second career in HVAC ! Could do your traveling tour again where you fix peoples pins AND make their house energy efficient and Covid safe

    I will as always follow your lead on this. You remain several steps ahead of me and without your pushing the air issues I honestly wouldn’t have paid nearly the attention it clearly had to have.

    I do believe the focus on disinfection measures is what has slowly gained us some of our customers feeling safe enough to come back in. Almost daily the guys who volunteer with us get asked by their colleagues and friends whether they truly feel safe at the arcade. Their response that “it is safer in there than any other business you’ll ever visit because of the measures they have taken” says everything it needs to say.

    #1204 3 years ago
    Quoted from PismoArcade:

    Lloyd has been extremely loyal to JJP since WOZ.
    The reason he added "JJP tech support" to his name is because one night 6 or 7 years ago, I decided to have a couple of adult beverages and accused him of being a shill. (I've always felt bad about that.... I was an A-hole)
    I doubt he gets paid by JJP, but who knows. I'd want Lloyd on my team if I was a manufacturer. Terrific ambassador for pinball and all around great guy.

    It is surprising to me that given how few people there are that still make house calls and are competent at repair that they aren’t snapped up by manufacturers or at least kept on large retainer. I do recognize that most people have no sense of labor costs which makes it a tough business to be in when you tell them it will be $250 to implement a fix. But somehow we all just accept that for say car repair and grumble but pay the man (or woman). I do think that pin repair can supplement some since almost all operators have to have repair skills as well. I’d do it myself but I can barely keep up with in house issues at my own place.

    #1205 3 years ago

    It funny....gas pumps have touch screens, key pads, and handles that everyone touches, yet there’s no disinfecting going on with those items. Aint seen any gas stations closed down or media causing fear with the public about them being superspreader locations.

    #1206 3 years ago
    Quoted from Blitzburgh99:

    It funny....gas pumps have touch screens, key pads, and handles that everyone touches, yet there’s no disinfecting going on with those items. Aint seen any gas stations closed down or media causing fear with the public about them being superspreader locations.

    You are asking for consistency ? Unfortunately human beings are not rational (though we like to think we are) and are also terrible at judging risk. We are for the most part driven by “gut instinct” which serves us well for the most part but in instances such as this have the clear limitations of that approach fully exposed. I really don’t blame people for not coming to the arcade. It’s not required for survival, it has the label of risk that it will struggle to cast off, and most are unaware of what actually makes a place safe versus not safe other than “inside bad, outside good”. I have accepted we will not return to anything resembling normal for at least a year and have budgeted appropriately.

    #1207 3 years ago
    Quoted from timarnold:

    Pinball Hall of Fame in Las Vegas has been open every day since June 1st, when the Governor allowed our class-of-trade to reopen.
    The first week was really slow, then it moved up slowly until about the middle of July, where it plateaued at 30 percent to 50 percent of last years same week numbers.
    Before this, we were closed for 12 weeks. All this time we were locked inside working on machines. Most of the row of em wedge heads were removed and put in the BIG HIT SHED, they will be brought back when we move uptown. In their place we brought in a lot of Ted Zale zipper-flipper games. Those are all dialed in now and I have had about equal comments pro and con. A lot of people liked the Gottliebs, and missed them, but DAMN, those asymmetrical Ball games are fun.
    Change cups were removed. Popcorn and snack machines were emptied, cleaned and parked. Drinks in sealed containers were allowed from the soda machines, but you had to use a bendy straw to slide under your mask. A turnstile was installed on the East door for exit only and all entrance was from the West door. We have always had a huge oversupply of moving air, not because we anticipated Covid, but because ceiling fans blow across your skin and allow us to use less air conditioning, a huge expense in the hottest climate in North America. We rearranged the machines to allow us to leave the most popular games available and turned off the less popular stuff so that every second game is now dark. When you first walked in, it looked like the place was creepy dark, so we turned on the overhead florescent lights. The reaction from our regular customers was very positive. We would also allow people to play a dark machine after checking with and allowing the attendant to turn off the machines on either side. This brings us within the 6 feet of social distancing required. Some of our volunteers drifted away after the shutdown, so we cut hours from 11pm closing to 9pm,and Beth cooked dinner every night so we could run a single shift.
    About the only real problem we have has is the MASK DENIGHERS. When we first reopened, I just figured everybody would be on board for a simple, painless way to get the economy moving again and protect everybody from a deadly virus that has killed 200,000 people. Boy was I wrong. We stop them at the door and many claim they don't have to wear a mask because they are "exempt", or that they should not be required to purchase a mask from our vending machine. (In those cases, we give them a damn mask!) The they get inside and start playing. They pull the mask down or take them off. We give them one warning in the usual LOUD AND FIRM VOICE, then they have to leave. Hundreds of warnings each day and about a dozen kickouts. Many on the way out the door spout some crap about "FREEDOM!!!". BULLSHIT! Nobody is taking anything away from you overprivileged spoiled bastards. It's a public health issue ONLY! The King is not taking your land or locking you up without a trial. Grow up, shut up and do as the government tells you!
    As a whole I consider our situation to be bearable and other than the 500,000.00 it has cost us in lost revenue, painless. All our staff is fine and well. The yard cats are fed and watered every day, and the store cat is a big hit with the customers.
    The new building on the strip has been surprisingly unaffected. Since all the work is done outside or inside a building with no doors and 40 foot ceilings', there has been no sickness among the workers. No materials suppliers have been affected to the point that progress has been delayed. Still looking for completion in late December or early January. We have to vacate the existing building by May so that should give us enough time to move over from one to the other with NO loss of days.
    The pickets in front of both locations has have had little or no effect that we can see. There might be some who do not cross, but since we don't see them, we can't tell. I also think it was dirty pool of the Carpenters to call us "Child Rapists" on a banner facing the strip because a non union worker lied on his employment application several years ago at ANOTHER JOB run by the same sub-contractor. All the other unions had no problem with our unique status as the only not-for-profit on the strip and left us alone. I have no problem with the union out on the sidewalk, but calling us names is below the belt.
    We continue to get up every day and work as hard as we can to get ready to make entertainment history when we open on the Strip. We have some moments of panic and fear, but our staff is small and bound together by our mission. With luck and effort, things will be fine again soon.
    Pinball Hall of fame in Las Vegas is open, has been since June 1st.

    Tim thanks for the insights. I often wondered what was going on out there in Vegas in all of this. Based on other stories I have read on goings on with the strip, 30-50% pre pandemic business is just awesome. We are just a small time operation here so it’s nice to get the perspective of a mega operation that has a high tourist quotient.

    #1208 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    It’s too bad that pin companies won’t place games on location at a nominal rate as some kind of advertisement to home buyers. Also too bad that operators can’t band together at some group rate discount buy. My suspicion is that places like yours encourages home pin buying, but I’ll fully admit that is just my supposition with absolutely no proof behind it

    The gaming industry has this as part of their business model. Gaming device companies like IGT will place a machine in a casino and share the gaming proceeds. New gaming devices are pretty expensive and the casino is never sure how popular a new game will be so it reduces the risk of buying new games for the casino. IGT will also lease games and resell used games so they have a machine for every budget.

    #1209 3 years ago
    Quoted from PismoArcade:

    The reason he added "JJP tech support" to his name is because one night 6 or 7 years ago, I decided to have a couple of adult beverages and accused him of being a shill. (I've always felt bad about that.... I was an A-hole)

    Please don't feel bad about that.

    You had a valid point. And brought up something others may have thought. I've always respected your opinion or posts. Back to RGP days.

    And I've never hid who I was or what I was. I'm not a key board warrior. Anything I do or say I'll say to your face. So I want to make it as clear as possible that while it may be my opinion. If I post about Planetary Pinball Supply, Chicago Gaming Company, or Jersey Jack Pinball. I am affiliated with those companies so anyone reading what I post can take that in consideration.

    Thank you my friend !
    LTG : )

    #1210 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Please don't feel bad about that.
    You had a valid point. And brought up something others may have thought. I've always respected your opinion or posts. Back to RGP days.
    And I've never hid who I was or what I was. I'm not a key board warrior. Anything I do or say I'll say to your face. So I want to make it as clear as possible that while it may be my opinion. If I post about Planetary Pinball Supply, Chicago Gaming Company, or Jersey Jack Pinball. I am affiliated with those companies so anyone reading what I post can take that in consideration.
    Thank you my friend !
    LTG : )

    Thank you Lloyd...that really means alot to me.

    #1211 3 years ago

    I agree with LTG ...i think as operators we should be the first to get the games as this will help with our businesses but also promote the manufactures game. It's getting a bulk of people to experience game first hand whether they have on order or want a play first buy second experience. I do believe we got the first TMNT Pro out here but with everyone getting thier LE's first that lessoned the wow factor of coming out to play as they have already tried it out at a friends place. Same with Gnr was great they had some to ship right away but i think operators should of had first crack to buy those. Mind you they were LE's which usually isn't the model of choice for location but still would have been nice. I don't think home use buyers would be upset with us getting games first either as it gives them a chance to still play an support our arcades.

    #1212 3 years ago
    Quoted from Stretch7:

    I agree with LTG ...i think as operators we should be the first to get the games as this will help with our businesses but also promote the manufactures game. It's getting a bulk of people to experience game first hand whether they have on order or want a play first buy second experience. I do believe we got the first TMNT Pro out here but with everyone getting thier LE's first that lessoned the wow factor of coming out to play as they have already tried it out at a friends place. Same with Gnr was great they had some to ship right away but i think operators should of had first crack to buy those. Mind you they were LE's which usually isn't the model of choice for location but still would have been nice. I don't think home use buyers would be upset with us getting games first either as it gives them a chance to still play an support our arcades.

    I'm sure I got my TMNT LE before your pro, but I haven't even put it on location.
    It is just too slow at the Casino right now. We don't even have all our games in for distancing.

    I don't think it's going to pick up too much either.
    Second wave is going to hit soon.
    Our Covid cases are on the rise again, flu season is coming too.
    Buckle up people it's going to be a tough winter too.

    #1213 3 years ago
    Quoted from pingod:

    I'm sure I got my TMNT LE

    Yes you did along with others. But I would be nice if the offered a few pros first or choice in models just for locations LE usually isn’t the choice for location although I do like having LE in location but just at a price point business wise the pro is nicer option especially when you plan on buying a bunch of new releases.
    Ya it’s been very slow for us too. Wouldn’t be surprised if we ordered to close in another week or 2 the way things are going. Fingers crossed though.

    2 weeks later
    #1216 3 years ago

    Warning, out of the box thinking.
    Why couldn't select machines be modified to be air filters to kill coof? Small inlets in front, a computer fan gently pulling air in through a UV light apparatus, then out the back.
    Weak UV light Flipper buttons.
    Only activated when being played. Not all machines in a Facility would need this treatment, just a good cross section.

    #1217 3 years ago

    Chicago is closing down again. 47 states have an increase in positive tests. Ga. + tests are up 15% this week.

    #1218 3 years ago
    Quoted from d0n:

    Chicago is closing down again. 47 states have an increase in positive tests. Ga. + tests are up 15% this week.

    Yeah some areas just refuse to face facts. Wisconsin is up 44% Yikes!

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    #1222 3 years ago

    Wear a mask (correctly) = protect the economy. Simple as that.

    #1223 3 years ago

    Wisconsin and Georgia...two key swing states in upcoming election....hmmmm???

    #1224 3 years ago
    Quoted from d0n:

    Chicago is closing down again. 47 states have an increase in positive tests. Ga. + tests are up 15% this week.

    game room only for now for some of the Chicago land places

    #1225 3 years ago

    Here’s an interesting question that I can’t completely answer. Many of our local restaurants are surviving quite well with outdoor seating on our downtown mall. Obviously when eating (or drinking) it is sans mask and tables 6 feet apart . Ok, so what do you do when it starts getting too cold to eat outside ? Is it safe to eat or drink inside sans mask ? In theory one would think that if you really did a massive upgrade of the ventilation, and had air purifiers, say turning over the air every 3-5 min, that it should be as safe as sitting outside even without the mask. Thoughts ?

    #1226 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    In theory one would think that if you really did a massive upgrade of the ventilation, and had air purifiers, say turning over the air every 3-5 min, that it should be as safe as sitting outside even without the mask. Thoughts ?

    No. Heaters + outdoors.

    #1227 3 years ago

    Safe is subjective. I think anywhere with adequate ventilation and distance is safe enough.

    Around here the restaurants have put up plexiglass barriers between booths so smaller chance of large droplets getting on you. The aerosols are still a problem without properly directed airflow.

    #1228 3 years ago

    So I learned something new today and wanted to share. There is a tool from the University of Colorado that can start to give you some idea of the risk of aerosol transmission indoor dependent on a number of parameters. You can download it to change them up yourself.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16K1OQkLD4BjgBdO8ePj6ytf-RpPMlJ6aXFg3PrIQBbQ/edit#gid=149784379

    If you look at the main parameters here, they are: 1) time spent in the room 2) mask wearing (and efficiency of masks) 2) ventilation (number of air changes per hour) 3) air purification (again just measured in air changes per hour) AND ...

    4) BREATHING RATE !

    While it is an estimate look at the range depending on activity. We can go from 2.0 just standing in a room and reading a book to 60 ! if we are talking loudly (EVEN WITH MASK ON !). And if you just talk at normal volume you go from 60 back down to 10 !

    Honestly, I know for some this is a job for captain obvious, but despite my trying to stay on top of things, I was kinda oblivious to this one. Caught me off guard because I don't think I could imagine a 30 fold change just from whether you are talking loudly or not.

    What does that all mean ? Well, if you are in your arcade and you can't hear the person next to you talking at normal volume, then their games are too damn loud. An arcade can't be a library, but it doesn't need to the be the main slot floor at Circus Circus either.

    Time to go mess with some volume knobs in our arcade. Ugh ! All one can do is live and continue to learn from all this.

    And Oh, BTW, don't go to a crowded gym with a loud soundsystem unless everyone there has their own oxygen tank hooked up them.
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    #1229 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    Time to go mess with some volume knobs in our arcade. Ugh ! All one can do is live and continue to learn from all this.

    I really appreciate you sharing your journey and what you've learned with all of us.

    #1230 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    Here’s an interesting question that I can’t completely answer. Many of our local restaurants are surviving quite well with outdoor seating on our downtown mall. Obviously when eating (or drinking) it is sans mask and tables 6 feet apart . Ok, so what do you do when it starts getting too cold to eat outside ? Is it safe to eat or drink inside sans mask ? In theory one would think that if you really did a massive upgrade of the ventilation, and had air purifiers, say turning over the air every 3-5 min, that it should be as safe as sitting outside even without the mask. Thoughts ?

    Here in Ottawa, they just shut down indoor dining again a few weeks ago, and the average daily high is now approaching 5C or 40F. Patios are still barely hanging on, but impossible to heat with two walls open which is required. After it drops below 60F, there aren't that many die-hards that come out.

    My concern, being in Canada, is the very low relative humidity (40% or lower indoors at room temperature), combined with closed heating systems in well insulated buildings, provides the perfect environment for respired aerosols to remain suspended in the dry air for prolonged periods and migrate through the entire area.

    My pre-pinball career was in Water Damage and Asbestos & Mold Remediation, where psychometry, containment, ventilation including positive and negative pressure differentials, particulate filtering, as well as PPE were my stock and trade, and following this thread I can't agree more about the main variable that must be maintained to provide any degree of actual (not just perceived) safety is maximum ventilation and constant fresh air. The amount of HEPA filtration required to make it safe in a fully closed system would cost far more to purchase, install, and operate than I would ever earn, and I'd still have to close as we are again mandated now even if I wanted to stay open. With regular flu season just about to kick in, I'm concerned the far more contagious Covid will really take off in restaurant/bar/arcade/barcade scenario in our climate.

    I've been closed since March and have repurposed my arcade into a retail showroom, repair facility, and parts store in anticipation that I will not open again until at least next summer, but hopefully further South you guys can keep going through the winter months. Best of luck to all!

    #1231 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    So I learned something new today and wanted to share.

    Very interesting, Quite a big difference in speaking loudly. I try to keep the volumes to match the EM's that way its consistent through out. Regardless of background noise i find just general discussion through mask wearing have people speaking louder to be heard.
    Thanks for the info.

    Quoted from pinmeds:

    I've been closed since March

    Wow that's a long time and with new restrictions this could be quite a bit longer for you. Good to see you have done something different with the space.
    Here in Alberta we have been reopened since June but really i see it as any day now for us over here too and new restrictions. Every time Hinshaw(provincial Dr.) speaks i get nervous what she has to say.

    #1232 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinmeds:

    Here in Ottawa, they just shut down indoor dining again a few weeks ago, and the average daily high is now approaching 5C or 40F. Patios are still barely hanging on, but impossible to heat with two walls open which is required. After it drops below 60F, there aren't that many die-hards that come out.
    My concern, being in Canada, is the very low relative humidity (40% or lower indoors at room temperature), combined with closed heating systems in well insulated buildings, provides the perfect environment for respired aerosols to remain suspended in the dry air for prolonged periods and migrate through the entire area.
    My pre-pinball career was in Water Damage and Asbestos & Mold Remediation, where psychometry, containment, ventilation including positive and negative pressure differentials, particulate filtering, as well as PPE were my stock and trade, and following this thread I can't agree more about the main variable that must be maintained to provide any degree of actual (not just perceived) safety is maximum ventilation and constant fresh air. The amount of HEPA filtration required to make it safe in a fully closed system would cost far more to purchase, install, and operate than I would ever earn, and I'd still have to close as we are again mandated now even if I wanted to stay open. With regular flu season just about to kick in, I'm concerned the far more contagious Covid will really take off in restaurant/bar/arcade/barcade scenario in our climate.
    I've been closed since March and have repurposed my arcade into a retail showroom, repair facility, and parts store in anticipation that I will not open again until at least next summer, but hopefully further South you guys can keep going through the winter months. Best of luck to all!

    Yes, I feel for every operator up north. People ask me how we are going to stay open when it gets really cold (an entirely relative term in Virginia compared to Canada). My answer is bluntly “wear a coat”. Funny thing is for the first year of operation we had neither heat nor AC and we just muddled thru. Now having both, the need to bring in fresh air renders them both practically useless. People ask me what can be done here for indoor businesses, and I say to invest in a lot of hepa 13 units. We have a mix of the real ones and the box fan and a MERV 13 filter. But place 20+ of these things around and we can cycle 48000 cubic feet oF air in a few minutes. Glad to hear you found a way to make it economically work for the time being. It’s all about just surviving right now

    #1233 3 years ago
    Quoted from pookycade:

    Yes, I feel for every operator up north. People ask me how we are going to stay open when it gets really cold (an entirely relative term in Virginia compared to Canada). My answer is bluntly “wear a coat”. Funny thing is for the first year of operation we had neither heat nor AC and we just muddled thru. Now having both, the need to bring in fresh air renders them both practically useless. People ask me what can be done here for indoor businesses, and I say to invest in a lot of hepa 13 units. We have a mix of the real ones and the box fan and a MERV 13 filter. But place 20+ of these things around and we can cycle 48000 cubic feet oF air in a few minutes. Glad to hear you found a way to make it economically work for the time being. It’s all about just surviving right now

    Did I share the link about the "cube fan"? Basically you make a four-sided box of filters on the intake side instead of attaching one filter directly to the fan.

    #1234 3 years ago
    Quoted from NicoVolta:

    Did I share the link about the "cube fan"? Basically you make a four-sided box of filters on the intake side instead of attaching one filter directly to the fan.

    You did not. Please share. Is that a better construction ?

    #1236 3 years ago
    Quoted from NicoVolta:

    Behold... the "filter cube"

    Interesting! Seems like a lot of additional expense and cube bulk to go from 460 fpm (single 4" filter) to 580 fpm (five 2" filters). Even if it doubled the fan motor's lifespan, box fans are $20, much cheaper than five MERV filters. There's probably some variable I'm missing.

    #1237 3 years ago
    Quoted from yancy:

    Interesting! Seems like a lot of additional expense and cube bulk to go from 460 fpm (single 4" filter) to 580 fpm (five 2" filters). Even if it doubled the fan motor's lifespan, box fans are $20, much cheaper than five MERV filters. There's probably some variable I'm missing.

    Filters would last longer, so that's a plus. Could be outfitted to higher-output fans for more filtration or run at higher speeds.

    #1238 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinmeds:

    I've been closed since March and have repurposed my arcade into a retail showroom, repair facility, and parts store in anticipation that I will not open again until at least next summer, but hopefully further South you guys can keep going through the winter months. Best of luck to all!

    that's quite some resiliency, I wish you the best of luck! fingers crossed

    #1239 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinmeds:

    Here in Ottawa, they just shut down indoor dining again a few weeks ago, and the average daily high is now approaching 5C or 40F. Patios are still barely hanging on, but impossible to heat with two walls open which is required. After it drops below 60F, there aren't that many die-hards that come out.
    My concern, being in Canada, is the very low relative humidity (40% or lower indoors at room temperature), combined with closed heating systems in well insulated buildings, provides the perfect environment for respired aerosols to remain suspended in the dry air for prolonged periods and migrate through the entire area.
    My pre-pinball career was in Water Damage and Asbestos & Mold Remediation, where psychometry, containment, ventilation including positive and negative pressure differentials, particulate filtering, as well as PPE were my stock and trade, and following this thread I can't agree more about the main variable that must be maintained to provide any degree of actual (not just perceived) safety is maximum ventilation and constant fresh air. The amount of HEPA filtration required to make it safe in a fully closed system would cost far more to purchase, install, and operate than I would ever earn, and I'd still have to close as we are again mandated now even if I wanted to stay open. With regular flu season just about to kick in, I'm concerned the far more contagious Covid will really take off in restaurant/bar/arcade/barcade scenario in our climate.
    I've been closed since March and have repurposed my arcade into a retail showroom, repair facility, and parts store in anticipation that I will not open again until at least next summer, but hopefully further South you guys can keep going through the winter months. Best of luck to all!

    You should look into UV purification. Way more effective than filtration for viruses and bacteria. Minimal upkeep costs as well UVairos.com or pm me for more info.

    #1240 3 years ago

    How are things up in your neck of the woods LTG? Seems like a lot of the northern (colder) states are getting hit pretty hard. Hope you're staying safe and can weather the storm.

    #1241 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_ric:

    How are things up in your neck of the woods LTG?

    Slow when I reopened. Slowed more when masks were required.

    Hanging on. Hope I don't have to sell a machine to get by this winter. And hope things improve.

    LTG : )

    #1242 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Slow when I reopened. Slowed more when masks were required.
    Hanging on. Hope I don't have to sell a machine to get by this winter. And hope things improve.
    LTG : )

    Please let us know if you get to the point where you'd have to sell a machine. I'm more than happy to chip in some cash so you don't have to do that and I know others on here would do the same.

    #1243 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_ric:

    Please let us know if you get to the point where you'd have to sell a machine. I'm more than happy to chip in some cash so you don't have to do that and I know others on here would do the same.

    Walz just rolled out a new plan this afternoon. I had selective hearing when it was on the news but I did hear something about pool tables and darts. It didn’t sound good. Oh and no dining after 10:00pm. I guess that’s when covid comes out to play.

    Nothing should be time stamped. We’re either doing this or we’re not IMHO.

    #1244 3 years ago
    Quoted from EJS:

    Walz just rolled out a new plan this afternoon. I had selective hearing when it was on the news but I did hear something about pool tables and darts. It didn’t sound good. Oh and no dining after 10:00pm. I guess that’s when covid comes out to play.
    Nothing should be time stamped. We’re either doing this or we’re not IMHO.

    Just went and looked. Doesn't look good for LTG
    - Patrons must be seated at tables
    - No bar games that require standing

    #1245 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_ric:

    Just went and looked. Doesn't look good for ltg
    - Patrons must be seated at tables
    - No bar games that require standing

    Where did you see this.

    Everything I read up on said I can't sell pop or candy from 10pm to 4am. Or have it consumed here during those hours.

    Thank you.
    LTG : )

    #1246 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Where did you see this.
    Everything I read up on said I can't sell pop or candy from 10pm to 4am. Or have it consumed here during those hours.
    Thank you.
    LTG : )

    https://m.startribune.com/walz-orders-early-bar-closures-to-curb-covid-19-spread/573028151/

    https://www.kare11.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/gov-tim-walz-hints-at-minnesota-dial-back-announcement-tuesday/89-7ea514c5-fe31-47a0-ac71-77e289ac7f7f

    https://mn.gov/governor/assets/EO%2020-96%20%28FINAL%29_tcm1055-453017.pdf

    Seems to mostly be bars that are getting hit with the rolled up newspaper.

    #1247 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinball_ric:

    Just went and looked. Doesn't look good for ltg
    - Patrons must be seated at tables
    - No bar games that require standing

    What a mess. Some places say I can't sell pop or candy or have it consumed on the premises from 10pm to 4am. Some say no games you have to stand at like pinball or pool. Effectively shutting me down again.

    LTG : (

    #1248 3 years ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    What a mess. Some places say I can't sell pop or candy or have it consumed on the premises from 10pm to 4am. Some say no games you have to stand at like pinball or pool. Effectively shutting me down again.
    LTG : (

    Holding out hope for you LTG.

    #1249 3 years ago
    Quoted from Oaken:

    Holding out hope for you LTG.

    Thank you my friend.

    It's over. 10pm on Friday I'll be closed again. No idea for how long.

    Quoted from pinball_ric:

    I'm more than happy to chip in some cash so you don't have to do that and I know others on here would do the same.

    I hate to ask. If anybody could help. I can use it.

    LTG

    #1250 3 years ago

    What the hell is this? "Sitting air" is somehow safer than "standing air"?!?

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