mine doesn't go into the modestart/khan-multi from the loop, but it does kick into the mode start if I hold the flipper button when it ejects from that hole about 40% of the time.

light lock skill shot means you can hit the center magnet target for lock on your next shot and not have to risk a drain by bashing it 3x prior to lighting lock.

I just watched the papa tutorial too...that guy can play.

Yup, makes everything look easy.

I'm not able to guide the ball into the Khan hole by just keeping the upper flipper out after the left Mongol loop. Sounds like it would make it too easy, agreed.

I've had mine for about 6 weeks now and I still haven't finished the Final Battle. Getting it down to 3 hits is my best attempt so far. Still haven't completed Super Vengeance yet either! I always choke with 1 ring left.

After a thorough cleaning, two coats of wax and new flipper rubbers the game is playing so fast that I can barely control it. As if it wasn't challenging enough already!

Anyone else have an issue with the plunger strength? Mine is pitched a little bit steep and maybe 1 out of every 5 plunges doesn't make it up the ramp. The follow up plunge pretty much always makes it though. Would a stronger coil help this? I've never replaced coils so I don't really know what options are out there.

Mine does not do either of these things. That would suck IMO. I find the modes to be the hardest part of the game to complete. Well that and when the upper playfield is waxed and lubed so that it is so fast.

I can hold the bat and hit the outhole most of the time. It's not a bad thing. The upper loop is the beast to get timing on. I wouldn't do anything. This game can eat you alive. I can get Super Vengence quite a bit. The Final Battle I need a lot more practice on.

On mine if I hold up the upper flipper the ball finds it's way to the left outlane.

On mine I need to hit it at just the right time and then it will make it into the mode start hole. I try for that every time especially if you just start Kahn multiball - then double jackpot is lit right away!

My favorite "cheap shot" is a strong shot around the right Mongol outer loop, waiting with the left flipper held up and letting it bounce off the left flipper, with a slow roll up to the top flipper for easy shots at the Shadow Loop for combos or the Khan hole. It works consistently and feels great to pull off!

I have this issue on occasion as well but the second one always makes it. Don't know what the issue is though...

check you plunger tip. I had to file mine flat. that thing hits the ball hard on the launch and after awhile it needs to be tweeked.

Mine has never done this and is set up at like 9 degrees steep!! Was a restore so probably new coil.

It's intentional. If the flipper is adjusted correctly, you should be able to shoot the left orbit with the lower right flipper, hold the upper right flipper up, and get into the khan mode start every time. If its not doing this or not consistent then you need to adjust your upper flipper until it is. This is a critical part of the game.

I paid attention to this while playing yesterday...

Specifically when I hit the Shadow Loop twice in a row and leave the upper flipper extended (simply because the ball is moving so fast at that point) to prevent a center drain, the ball will bounce off the post next to the Khan hole, then back to the upper flipper and back toward the Khan hole. About 50% of the time it will make it in.

Not quite the subject of the OP, but that's my closest experience to leaving that flipper extended for a guide shot into the Khan hole.

Mine will NOT make the Khan hole by just holding the upper flip up either...

I just got a TSPP, so I haven't even played my Shadow in weeks now haha....it's getting lonely...will have to slap her around tonight a bit...

Funny. The tommy I was playing on location did the same thing. Send it screaming around the orbit, right flipper up straight into the union jack. Then it got cleaned, waxed, adjusted and now it's a drainer when I try it. It made it much easier to hit wizard mode but I couldn't figure out if it was intentional.

Yea. Most routed shadows won't do it because they're set to a steeper pitch than the designer creates the game. If you calibrate the upper flipper properly and pitch at. 7.5, and orbit shot should land in mode start. If you change pitch then it won't happen that way consistently unless you adjust the upper flipper. Shadow is an extremely well designed game in my opinion. Every detail was considered from the orbit mode start, to the dickish targets next to the ramps. I love the game. It's so different from the other two Brian Eddy games. But I consider all three must owns.

It seems to me that'd make it too easy to start a scene, but I only have my buddy's table as a reference. How do the shadow loops feel on the tables that can extend the flipper on an orbit and sink a mode start? On my buddy's table, the shadow loops definitely feel satisfying/"right".

The shadow loops feel the same... no impact. They're still very difficult. Remember, starting a scene is great, but you still have to complete them. My favorite combo is light khan, hit mongol on the left orbit, hold flipper up for khan multiball.