Shadow, The
Bally, 1994Quoted from jonesjb:So I updated the fuse, turned the pin on, it turned on for a second and it immediately blew again. Hmmm, back to the drawing board on what could be causing the main fuse to blow.
Quoted from Gorgar666:Shadow just took a Dump, F116 low 12v pin(7v) but the 5v pin is good.
Both of you should check BR-5 on the PDB board.
Question for you guys: does your Shadow lock shot lead to a lot of SDTM drains when not lit?
My magnet is raised through the playfield, and the ball usually drops to the right flipper safely.
Quoted from Gorgar666:Will do. The board is off now. How?
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Not my video, but this should help.
Quoted from aFineMoose:Question for you guys: does your Shadow lock shot lead to a lot of SDTM drains when not lit?
My magnet is raised through the playfield, and the ball usually drops to the right flipper safely.
Depends which flipper you are hitting the Sanctum with as to where the ball ricochets to, so look at how to make the shot while reducing the risk of SDTM drains. It's a risk/reward shot and games are specifically designed this way.
Quoted from Gorgar666:BR4 & 5 Blown. Could this be the reason I’m not getting 12v @ J116 I’m getting 7v.
Correct. BR5 is 12V and BR4 is your 20V. Looking at the WPC power driver board schematics shows that BR5 connects to J116-2 (you could also check the voltage at TP1). Also check that F116 fuse is ok
Quoted from Manny65:Correct. BR5 is 12V and BR4 is your 20V. Looking at the WPC power driver board schematics shows that BR5 connects to J116-2 (you could also check the voltage at TP1). Also check that F116 fuse is ok
F116 was glowing red and ready to blow. TP1was showing 4volts. ColorDMD wasn’t booting. It has a splitter on J116. I believe this is also my Ball trough issue. Kicking out all the balls.
New issue emerged with the DMD on my Shadow. I noticed it about a week ago but seemed to rectify itself after warming up. Now it stays like this. Repeated cables and tested another known working dmd and presented the same distortion.
Any suggestions?
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Any suggestions?
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What the hell, are all Shadows like reaching their retirement age or something? This is what happened to me, still trying to get the thing to turn on after shorting a few fuses. It looks like a few Shadow owners are having dramas this past week.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:New issue emerged with the DMD on my Shadow. I noticed it about a week ago but seemed to rectify itself after warming up. Now it stays like this. Repeated cables and tested another known working dmd and presented the same distortion.
Any suggestions?
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I pulled a fuse and reseated a few cables. Same display issues but now neither flipper is energized, ball won't shoot into lane, phurba 's aren't energized.
Hard to read the error messages, but from what I can read:
R flipper Eos
UR Flipper eos
Battle drop down
Wall drop down
F1
51
55
F5
Bad Drop Switch or Coil- hard to read
Another bad switch or coil, can't read.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:Any suggestions?
Start by checking the 4 voltages for the plasma display.
Quoted from Gorgar666:F116 was glowing red and ready to blow. TP1was showing 4volts. ColorDMD wasn’t booting. It has a splitter on J116. I believe this is also my Ball trough issue. Kicking out all the balls.
Given you tested BR4 & BR5 and found they are faulty, you'll need to replace them first. If you have a spare power driver board or can swap one out of your other WPC machines you'll be able to test to see if there are any other issues (other than on your PDB)
Quoted from Manny65:Given you tested BR4 & BR5 and found they are faulty, you'll need to replace them first. If you have a spare power driver board or can swap one out of your other WPC machines you'll be able to test to see if there are any other issues (other than on your PDB)
I just ordered the needed BRs. As I am unable to see the color DMD at all , this Has to be the first thing to do. thanks for your help.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:I pulled a fuse and reseated a few cables. Same display issues but now neither flipper is energized, ball won't shoot into lane, phurba 's aren't energized.
Hard to read the error messages, but from what I can read:
R flipper Eos
UR Flipper eos
Battle drop down
Wall drop down
F1
51
55
F5
Bad Drop Switch or Coil- hard to read
Another bad switch or coil, can't read.
Which cables did you reseat? Did you do both connectors on all 3 ribbon cables (2 b/n MPU and DMD controller, and 1 b/n the DMD controller and the DMD). You also need to ensure you match up the pins correctly as it is possible to be one row off or one column off - which maybe what has caused the other issues.
Quoted from Manny65:Which cables did you reseat? Did you do both connectors on all 3 ribbon cables (2 b/n MPU and DMD controller, and 1 b/n the DMD controller and the DMD). You also need to ensure you match up the pins correctly as it is possible to be one row off or one column off - which maybe what has caused the other issues.
What would happen if one reseats the pins and is off by a row?
Quoted from jonesjb:What would happen if one reseats the pins and is off by a row?
I'm no expert here and thinking back now I believe it was if you get the short ribbon cable b/n the MPU and PDB wrong it is know to cause issues. But it really depends which connector you got wrong and how it was connected as to what would happen. For example one of the ribbon cables interlinks the MPU to the DMD controller board via the Fliptronics board, so having the data pins out of alignment could cause weird behaviour with the flippers.
Quoted from Manny65:I'm no expert here and thinking back now I believe it was if you get the short ribbon cable b/n the MPU and PDB wrong it is know to cause issues. But it really depends which connector you got wrong and how it was connected as to what would happen. For example one of the ribbon cables interlinks the MPU to the DMD controller board via the Fliptronics board, so having the data pins out of alignment could cause weird behaviour with the flippers.
Quoted from Gorgar666:I did the same thing. Look closely.
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I'm hoping this is the case. I hate creating new problems every time I fix something else.
Quoted from Manny65:Which cables did you reseat? Did you do both connectors on all 3 ribbon cables (2 b/n MPU and DMD controller, and 1 b/n the DMD controller and the DMD). You also need to ensure you match up the pins correctly as it is possible to be one row off or one column off - which maybe what has caused the other issues.
Yes, all 3 ribbon cables. I checked again this morning to make sure everything was on correctly and still have no power to the flippers, phurba ect.
Same errors as before
11 gun switch
R flipper Eos
UR Flipper eos
Battle drop down
Wall drop down
F1
51
55
F5
11
Bad Drop Switch or Coil- hard to read
Another bad switch or coil, can't read.
Quoted from Gorgar666:I did the same thing. Look closely.
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Sorry, I'm missing it. It looks seated correctly, no?
Quoted from jonesjb:Sorry, I'm missing it. It looks seated correctly, no?
No, he missed a entire row and is off top to bottom as well.
Quoted from Gorgar666:I did the same thing. Look closely.
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Ha ha. I think we have all done that. Usually for me it’s on those smaller connector to the CPU board.
Quoted from woody76:No, he missed a entire row and is off top to bottom as well.
Wow. I still can’t see any extra pins hanging out anywhere. I’m going to have to go over mine with a magnifying glass.
Quoted from jester523:What do you think of this cpu board battery damage? Fixable? Should I get a new board?
Ok, this is a bit of a fib because it's from my who dunnit, but no response over there and it's the same board as my shadow.
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Sure it is fixable but you need to be pretty good at board repair to pull it off. The connectors and headers in that area also likely need replaced. I bet you the pins in those connectors are toast.
Quoted from jester523:What do you think of this cpu board battery damage? Fixable? Should I get a new board?
Ok, this is a bit of a fib because it's from my who dunnit, but no response over there and it's the same board as my shadow.
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Totally fixable. I suggest Jerry Clause or Chris Hibler. Both are excellent with reasonable prices.
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Oh wow! I see it now!
Quoted from paulbaptiste:Yes, all 3 ribbon cables. I checked again this morning to make sure everything was on correctly and still have no power to the flippers, phurba ect.
Same errors as before
11 gun switch
R flipper Eos
UR Flipper eos
Battle drop down
Wall drop down
F1
51
55
F5
11
Bad Drop Switch or Coil- hard to read
Another bad switch or coil, can't read.
When you say there is no power to the flippers - are you measuring the voltage at the flipper coils? Or just that the flippers don't work in game mode? Have you tested if they work in T.12 Flipper coil test mode (hopefully you can see enough of the DMD display - the manual will help show you the options if you don't have another WPC machine to work off)?
I'm guessing that probably the switches (flipper and phurba buttons) aren't being recognised, given all the other switch errors you're getting - if you go into switch test mode you can verify if they are being seen when pressed.
Do you have a spare MPU board (WPC-S)??
Quoted from allsportdvd:Is it just me but is every post in this thread about an issue with the machine? Starting to sound like the JJP Guns n Roses thread lol
Nah just owners helping other owners and enjoying being part of the club 
Quoted from Manny65:When you say there is no power to the flippers - are you measuring the voltage at the flipper coils? Or just that the flippers don't work in game mode? Have you tested if they work in T.12 Flipper coil test mode (hopefully you can see enough of the DMD display - the manual will help show you the options if you don't have another WPC machine to work off)?
I'm guessing that probably the switches (flipper and phurba buttons) aren't being recognised, given all the other switch errors you're getting - if you go into switch test mode you can verify if they are being seen when pressed.
Do you have a spare MPU board (WPC-S)??
Thanks for the detailed response. This is the only DMD game I currently have. I do have a known working DMD from black rose, but that it in regards to helpful supplies.
Oddly enough I reseated everything again and changed out out F112 (solenoid secondary) now the power is restored and game is playing perfect. Not sure if this was coincidence with changing the fuse or was the cables all along.
Now back to the fuzzy display. Is this a low voltage thing? If I add a color dmd do I bypass this issue or bring it with me? Either why I'd like to repair the display in the meantime so I can see what I'm doing. Pretty difficult dodging those phurbas! I've set some new high scores also but no idea what they are!
Quoted from allsportdvd:Is it just me but is every post in this thread about an issue with the machine? Starting to sound like the JJP Guns n Roses thread lol
Issues aside, this has quickly become the favorite game in my collection right now. What other games do you think fit the same mold as Shadow? It makes me want to hunt a few more 90s Bally games if I can find something similar in depth and difficulty.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:It makes me want to hunt a few more 90s Bally games if I can find something similar in depth and difficulty.
Doesn’t exist. Shadow is better than all of them. 
Maybe BSD or Creech
Quoted from chuckwurt:Doesn’t exist. Shadow is better than all of them.
Maybe BSD or Creech
BSD has been on my list for quite awhile also. Ill look into Creech a bit more to see what I'm missing.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Creech fits the difficulty bill for sure.
Not sure I'd put Creech in the same category as Shadow, I find that I can get into the zone far easier on Creech and put up scores of 1-3B ... of course everyone's machines play different and I definitely played some more challenging Creech's. That said I do enjoy having it in my collection
Quoted from allsportdvd:I second the BSD comment. I'm restoring one right now. Creech is a bit shallow for me. The other game I'd nominate purely for having the same difficulty as Shadow is Johnny Mnemonic, also brutal
Johnny, BSDracula and Shadow a part of my collection .I couldn’t be happier….I’m moving on from the hobby of Pinball purchasing. I’m gonna keep and maintained the ones I have now and I’m done. Deadpool in December and then I’m done.
Quoted from Gorgar666:Johnny, BSDracula and Shadow a part of my collection .I couldn’t be happier….I’m moving on from the hobby of Pinball purchasing. I’m gonna keep and maintained the ones I have now and I’m done. Deadpool in December and then I’m done.
Lol. No for real.
Quoted from Manny65:Not sure I'd put Creech in the same category as Shadow, I find that I can get into the zone far easier on Creech and put up scores of 1-3B ... of course everyone's machines play different and I definitely played some more challenging Creech's. That said I do enjoy having it in my collection
I’ve never even sniffed more than a few hundred million. Very difficult for me to do the thing.
Quoted from Gorgar666:Johnny, BSDracula and Shadow a part of my collection .I couldn’t be happier….I’m moving on from the hobby of Pinball purchasing. I’m gonna keep and maintained the ones I have now and I’m done. Deadpool in December and then I’m done.
Well why not swap em out? I’m about tapped on space, 18 is my limit. Then I’ll have about 8-10 that rotate on a yearly basis to keep things fresh.
Quoted from Gorgar666:Johnny, BSDracula and Shadow a part of my collection .I couldn’t be happier….I’m moving on from the hobby of Pinball purchasing. I’m gonna keep and maintained the ones I have now and I’m done. Deadpool in December and then I’m done.
I'm 2/3rd of the way there. JM is next. Just played it a week ago and got addicted. Such a good underrated game- flowiest and fastest game of all time.
Quoted from paulbaptiste:Thanks for the detailed response. This is the only DMD game I currently have. I do have a known working DMD from black rose, but that it in regards to helpful supplies.
Oddly enough I reseated everything again and changed out out F112 (solenoid secondary) now the power is restored and game is playing perfect. Not sure if this was coincidence with changing the fuse or was the cables all along.
Now back to the fuzzy display. Is this a low voltage thing? If I add a color dmd do I bypass this issue or bring it with me? Either why I'd like to repair the display in the meantime so I can see what I'm doing. Pretty difficult dodging those phurbas! I've set some new high scores also but no idea what they are!Issues aside, this has quickly become the favorite game in my collection right now. What other games do you think fit the same mold as Shadow? It makes me want to hunt a few more 90s Bally games if I can find something similar in depth and difficulty.
Congo!
Quoted from Manny65:Not sure I'd put Creech in the same category as Shadow, I find that I can get into the zone far easier on Creech and put up scores of 1-3B ... of course everyone's machines play different and I definitely played some more challenging Creech's. That said I do enjoy having it in my collection
Quoted from chuckwurt:Then I’ll have about 8-10 that rotate on a yearly basis to keep things fresh.
Let me know when you’re ready to rotate out that Big Ga… oh wait, damn, I tried so hard to finish that sentence, but just couldn’t.
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