The Shadow Club

Quoted from monkfe:
Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Hey Shadow owners - How many of us are playing with a stress cracked one of these (the Shadow mini playfield kicker guide)? Mine is broken on the thin side but the games still plays flawlessly. I have a spare that I paid a premium for but haven’t installed it since I’m not having issues. The part is very unobtainable now. Anybody have a fix for this?
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Maybe something Mantis might do...

If you can find at least 10 buyers, I'll ask him to make it. Shouldn't be an issue if there are enough that want it.

#7603 3 years ago

PMB

Pbgixxer

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11y 64,550 348 1

Quoted from mrgregb123:
If you can find at least 10 buyers, I'll ask him to make it. Shouldn't be an issue if there are enough that want it.

I’ll get one

#7604 3 years ago

CCS

Mad_Dog_Coin_Op

Quoted from mrgregb123:
If you can find at least 10 buyers, I'll ask him to make it. Shouldn't be an issue if there are enough that want it.

Almost everyone needs it. Most don't know they do. I'm down for an extra.

#7605 3 years ago

JJJ

jonesjb

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New York, NY

10y 118K 3,945 3 19

Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Almost everyone needs it. Most don't know they do. I'm down for an extra.

I’m down.

#7606 3 years ago

MLP

beefzap

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Fort Mill, SC

19y 59,900 537 8 16

What is the best way to light up the battlefield. Spotlights? LED's? Where do you connect? Thanks

#7607 3 years ago

JEF

yellowghost

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Winnipeg, MB

7y 44,550 1,059 7

Quoted from 500VDC:
Curious if anyone can spot an obvious deformity with my Mini-Playfield Wire Ramp. I had the mini playfield out to do some servicing, but as I was testing it after reinstalling it, the ball was hitting the edge of the center right target on its way to the battlefield. The wireform mounting screws are tight, and I do see one weld has let loose, but it does not seem to be enough to cause the top to be that far off. I will be looking at that a bit more closely.
The mini playfield seems to be where it should be. The hinge screws are tight, and it is resting on the posts in the recesses correctly, and the hold down screw is in tight.
Seems like the ramp exit should be toward the rear about 1/2" or so. I have looked for photos of this area from other machines to compare with, but none are clear enough to see what is different, although I can see that the ramp exit should be centered in the opening intended for it!
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The ball should hug the top of the tube on its way out, giving it more than enough space. Maybe the VUK coil sleeve or something is getting worn out. Uplaod a short video if possible.

#7608 3 years ago

BLT

Demoman1

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Whitewater, WI

6y 29,900 69 4 7

Quoted from mrgregb123:
If you can find at least 10 buyers, I'll ask him to make it. Shouldn't be an issue if there are enough that want it.

I will take one also.

#7609 3 years ago

MDS

Wmsfan-GAP

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14y 122K 1,702 1

I’d be in for one....

#7610 3 years ago

NED

Hi Club Members - I'm sourcing parts for my Shadow project restoration and although I have part of the Gun Assembly I'm still missing parts from it. Can I ask if anyone knows of any sources for this or have any spares that you let me know --- thanks.

#7611 3 years ago

BAM

Manny65

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Quoted from pinballer3:
Hi Club Members - I'm sourcing parts for my Shadow project restoration and although I have part of the Gun Assembly I'm still missing parts from it. Can I ask if anyone knows of any sources for this or have any spares that you let me know --- thanks.

Exactly which parts are you after? You can search the major suppliers around the world using https://www.pinballsearch.com/#gsc.tab=0

Shadow Gun Assembly (resized).JPG

I like your avatar - they dominated on the weekend and will be interesting to see if they can bring that against Brisie

#7612 3 years ago

REW

woody76

Pinball Marketing

Nashville, TN

9y 142K 6,845 6 98

Quoted from pinballer3:
Hi Club Members - I'm sourcing parts for my Shadow project restoration and although I have part of the Gun Assembly I'm still missing parts from it. Can I ask if anyone knows of any sources for this or have any spares that you let me know --- thanks.

trigger, spring, and switch is usually available from Marco, the original gripes are probalby around since someone remade them in wood. what are you needing?

#7613 3 years ago

MJL

500VDC

Inactive member

12y 42,150 58

Quoted from yellowghost:
The ball should hug the top of the tube on its way out, giving it more than enough space. Maybe the VUK coil sleeve or something is getting worn out. Upload a short video if possible.

The VUK is really strong. The ball used to catch the back of that target every time.

I tried adding a couple of extra washers on one side, and it tightened up to be very solid. The ball now never seems to hit the back of that target (see photo below). We'll see how it does. So far, it works great. I will watch to see if the ball makes it our every time without falling back into the VUK.

I did take a quick video with the upkick in slow motion. It seems to go straight up, and then almost goes straight to the left, without riding the top rails all the way.

Matt

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#7614 3 years ago

GBB

mrgregb123

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Quoted from Demoman1:
I will take one also.

Alright - I'll reach out to Kerry and see if he wants to get this made. He's on limited availability right now so might be a month or so for an answer. Will need either an original or exact measurements of it if anyone wants to DM me...

-G

UPDATE: Being MADE!

#7615 3 years ago

GBB

mrgregb123

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Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Hey Shadow owners - How many of us are playing with a stress cracked one of these (the Shadow mini playfield kicker guide)? Mine is broken on the thin side but the games still plays flawlessly. I have a spare that I paid a premium for but haven’t installed it since I’m not having issues. The part is very unobtainable now. Anybody have a fix for this?

Done. Mantis will have a replacement ready for purchase in the coming weeks.

#7616 3 years ago

BWA

SaltyRunBack

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3y 33,300 29

I'm getting airballs off the yellow "N" and "G" targets next to the front left ramp that are jumping over the inlane/outlane. Any suggestions on what to do to fix this? Thanks.

#7617 3 years ago

GBB

mrgregb123

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Quoted from SaltyRunBack:
I'm getting airballs off the yellow "N" and "G" targets next to the front left ramp that are jumping over the inlane/outlane. Any suggestions on what to do to fix this? Thanks.

Common. Some have suggested bending the targets downwards but this did not work much for me. Others have replaced the foam target backing with something less bouncy like Titan rubber. That seems to work better.

#7618 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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Quoted from SaltyRunBack:
I'm getting airballs off the yellow "N" and "G" targets next to the front left ramp that are jumping over the inlane/outlane. Any suggestions on what to do to fix this? Thanks.

Shoot better! Shadow WILL punish your missed shots. Its the charm of it.

Ive had Shadow over a year now and still havent even been IN the final battle. Loving this game. Glad I moved T2 to get this game, which was super boring by comparison.

#7619 3 years ago

CCS

Mad_Dog_Coin_Op

https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-18530-6R

Quoted from SaltyRunBack:
I'm getting airballs off the yellow "N" and "G" targets next to the front left ramp that are jumping over the inlane/outlane. Any suggestions on what to do to fix this? Thanks.

Swap out the targets with the reinforced ones. They hold position much better.

Also check out my low cost solution in post #6153. The air balls are gone after doing those two things.

#7620 3 years ago

BWA

SaltyRunBack

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3y 33,300 29

Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Swap out the targets with the reinforced ones. They hold position much better.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-18530-6R
Also check out my low cost solution in post #6153. The air balls are gone after doing those two things.

Thanks Mad Dog, much appreciated. I purchased from Marco along with the ramp covers. Any other suggestions for a new Shadow owner?

#7621 3 years ago

CCS

Mad_Dog_Coin_Op

Quoted from SaltyRunBack:
Thanks Mad Dog, much appreciated. I purchased from Marco along with the ramp covers. Any other suggestions for a new Shadow owner?

It’s a great game. Can’t believe it isn’t higher on the top 100 or demanding higher prices. Most of us blame the lame movie. How is your left ramp right switch treating you? Is it not registering or is the ball hanging up on the the switch actuator? That is a problem area on this game. Lots of work arounds but the very best one by far is the solution Pinsider Sonic came up with. It uses a magnetic switch to register the shot. Very slick. Hit him up if you need one. Well worth the money.

#7622 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Swap out the targets with the reinforced ones. They hold position much better.
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/A-18530-6R
Also check out my low cost solution in post #6153. The air balls are gone after doing those two things.

$14 a piece good lord!

#7623 3 years ago

JJJ

jonesjb

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New York, NY

10y 118K 3,945 3 19

Quoted from Chitownpinball:
$14 a piece good lord!

And worth every penny.

#7624 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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http://pbresource.com/pfswitch.htm

Quoted from jonesjb:
And worth every penny.

Ya? No bounces any more over the slings?

I had reinforced targets for my T2 from Pinball Resource.

PBR has the oblong targets for $9.59 it looks like, nice!

Here you go:

Marco marks up AND charges you so much for shipping. Stick with the little guys.

#7625 3 years ago

BAM

Manny65

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Quoted from Chitownpinball:
Ya? No bounces any more over the slings?
I had reinforced targets for my T2 from Pinball Resource.
PBR has the oblong targets for $9.59 it looks like, nice!
Here you go:
http://pbresource.com/pfswitch.htm
Marco marks up AND charges you so much for shipping. Stick with the little guys.

Good to know - thanks

#7626 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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https://www.retrorefurbs.com/shop/shadow-pinball-sideblades/

Are we all in agreement that these are the best side blades? I like that they arent too busy.

Kind of pricey though, no?

OOOooo...just found that tilt has them, and theyre even nicer. Sweet. Cheaper too!

https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/the-shadow-cityscape-gameblades

#7627 3 years ago

CCS

Mad_Dog_Coin_Op

Quoted from Chitownpinball:
Are we all in agreement that these are the best side blades? I like that they arent too busy.
Kind of pricey though, no?
https://www.retrorefurbs.com/shop/shadow-pinball-sideblades/

Those look the best but I would never install them for the simple reason the playfield is too tight. Stern made modern games so they could up-sell art blades. There is a little extra room to install them. In Bally machines, not so much. I think it would be ruined by lifting and lower the playfield. I could buy the protectors but now it is becoming actual work. For this reason none of my B/W games have them.

#7628 3 years ago

SLT

Saltimbanco

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Ottawa, ON

3y 109K 3,282 1

Quoted from Chitownpinball:
Are we all in agreement that these are the best side blades? I like that they arent too busy.
Kind of pricey though, no?
https://www.retrorefurbs.com/shop/shadow-pinball-sideblades/
OOOooo...just found that tilt has them, and theyre even nicer. Sweet. Cheaper too!
https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/the-shadow-cityscape-gameblades

They are not the same cityscape graphics, but I prefer the tiltgraphics, as indicated in your post. However, like Mad_Dog_Coin_Up said, it's a bit tight in The Shadow to have those placed in there. I guess, if you're extra careful. Myself, I think it clutters too much on the sides, but I'm a purist, lol, and it depends on people's taste!

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#7629 3 years ago

???

ccbiggsoo7

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10y 91,050 6,063 37 10 2

Quoted from dung:
Does anyone know where you can find backbox decals? My backbox is beyond saving, have a Scared Stiff backbox I will convert.

i got some, but you'll have to come by and pick them up!

#7630 3 years ago

MCH

Pinkitten

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Williamston, MI

6y 136K 3,785 14 88

Quoted from Chitownpinball:
Are we all in agreement that these are the best side blades? I like that they arent too busy.
Kind of pricey though, no?
https://www.retrorefurbs.com/shop/shadow-pinball-sideblades/
OOOooo...just found that tilt has them, and theyre even nicer. Sweet. Cheaper too!
https://www.tiltgraphicsinc.com/product-page/the-shadow-cityscape-gameblades

I personally love the Tilt cityscape blades on my Shadow. It really adds to the feel of the game for me. Very consistent with the art and theme. Especially if you have the matching decal for the back of the cab. It’s true some pins have little room on the sides to accommodate blades without damaging them when raising/lowering the playfield. I do have the plastic removable protectors which work well. My Junkyard is so tight that I almost couldn’t physically fit the blade on the left side. It can be tricky. I’ve destroyed 3-4 sets of blades by catching the playfield on them. It’s a quick $85 down the terlet.

#7631 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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https://www.pinballlife.com/interior-cabinet-protector-blade-set.html

Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
Those look the best but I would never install them for the simple reason the playfield is too tight. Stern made modern games so they could up-sell art blades. There is a little extra room to install them. In Bally machines, not so much. I think it would be ruined by lifting and lower the playfield. I could buy the protectors but now it is becoming actual work. For this reason none of my B/W games have them.

Quoted from Saltimbanco:
They are not the same cityscape graphics, but I prefer the tiltgraphics, as indicated in your post. However, like Mad_Dog_Coin_Up said, it's a bit tight in The Shadow to have those placed in there. I guess, if you're extra careful. Myself, I think it clutters too much on the sides, but I'm a purist, lol, and it depends on people's taste![quoted image]

Quoted from Pinkitten:
I personally love the Tilt cityscape blades on my Shadow. It really adds to the feel of the game for me. Very consistent with the art and theme. Especially if you have the matching decal for the back of the cab. It’s true some pins have little room on the sides to accommodate blades without damaging them when raising/lowering the playfield. I do have the plastic removable protectors which work well. My Junkyard is so tight that I almost couldn’t physically fit the blade on the left side. It can be tricky. I’ve destroyed 3-4 sets of blades by catching the playfield on them. It’s a quick $85 down the terlet.

Thanks for the input. Ya, I want to buy these PBL protectors too.

This is my plan. I have a buddy who scratched multiple blades. Even in his new stern. Its a common problem. I think as long as I am diligent about using the protector, I will be ok.

I think I might go with the art over the mirrors. The mirrors are super cool, but I think the city scape makes it feel more comic booky to me. Tilt+PBL Protectors is right in line with buying mirrors. Budget friendly too! I would need the protectors for the mirrors too right?

#7632 3 years ago

BWA

SaltyRunBack

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Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:
It’s a great game. Can’t believe it isn’t higher on the top 100 or demanding higher prices. Most of us blame the lame movie. How is your left ramp right switch treating you? Is it not registering or is the ball hanging up on the the switch actuator? That is a problem area on this game. Lots of work arounds but the very best one by far is the solution Pinsider Sonic came up with. It uses a magnetic switch to register the shot. Very slick. Hit him up if you need one. Well worth the money.

I received the reinforced targets....Are they easy to install? I will keep an eye on the switch actuator, are you referring to the one at the start of the the wireform across the middle? I know notice my ball flys off this ramp about 15% of the time, any suggestions on how to fix this? I appreciate the suggestions as it is going to take a little while to get this Shadow dialed in. This is my first used Pin and need to learn how to fix shit.

#7633 3 years ago

LAW

dung

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12y 86,050 5,580 6 30

Quoted from ccbiggsoo7:
i got some, but you'll have to come by and pick them up!

And here I thought you were coming to visit me. Keep your lies straight, last time I am responding to you. Ignored.

On a lighter note, someone offered me some alternate artwork I might try out. Also thanks to the PBL sale I have new rails on the way.

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#7634 3 years ago

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ramegoom

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Loveland, CO

11y 78,550 1,180 9

Quoted from Chitownpinball:
Thanks for the input. Ya, I want to buy these PBL protectors too.
https://www.pinballlife.com/interior-cabinet-protector-blade-set.html
This is my plan. I have a buddy who scratched multiple blades. Even in his new stern. Its a common problem. I think as long as I am diligent about using the protector, I will be ok.

Why not put protective strips on the playfield sides instead of the mirrors? You can get UHMW tape to insert on the wooden and metal pieces of the playfield and it'll never scratch the blades. I have used this stuff to protect moving parts on restored machines and it works great.

#7635 3 years ago

BAM

Manny65

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Quoted from SaltyRunBack:
I received the reinforced targets....Are they easy to install? I will keep an eye on the switch actuator, are you referring to the one at the start of the the wireform across the middle? I know notice my ball flys off this ramp about 15% of the time, any suggestions on how to fix this? I appreciate the suggestions as it is going to take a little while to get this Shadow dialed in. This is my first used Pin and need to learn how to fix shit.

Yep the reinforced targets are easy to install as they are a direct replacement for the existing targets. Note the orientation of the 2 wire colours on the existing target, desolder the 2 wires, remove the 2 screws that hold the target to the underside of the playfield and remove the old target. Then put the new reinforced target into place and attach with the 2 screws, resolder the 2 wires to their respective lugs on the target and your done.

As to ball flying off the ramp, does your machine have the clear plastic covers over the ramps (see the circled plastics in the pics)? Note the plastic on the left ramp is incorrectly installed upside down - it should go up to the lower edge of the diverter

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TS ramp - right (resized).jpg

#7636 3 years ago

SLT

Saltimbanco

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Ottawa, ON

3y 109K 3,282 1

Quoted from Manny65:
Yep the reinforced targets are easy to install as they are a direct replacement for the existing targets. Note the orientation of the 2 wire colours on the existing target, desolder the 2 wires, remove the 2 screws that hold the target to the underside of the playfield and remove the old target. Then put the new reinforced target into place and attach with the 2 screws, resolder the 2 wires to their respective lugs on the target and your done.
As to ball flying off the ramp, does your machine have the clear plastic covers over the ramps (see the circled plastics in the pics)? Note the plastic on the left ramp is incorrectly installed upside down - it should go up to the lower edge of the diverter
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That's a nice looking, well maintained playfield and game!! I swear you must be buffing those rings!! Lol good job!

#7637 3 years ago

GBB

mrgregb123

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Quoted from jonesjb:
In case anyone was on the fence on buying a sonic MRS switch. Do it.

I just installed mine and makes the game so much better... More than it has any right to. I didn't have problems with the ball getting stuck (as I previously had an extended switch), however getting a successful shot to register was such a crap shoot. When you have flow, are accurate and the ball was flying, it would often not trigger the switch due to speed.

Now with this MWS switch, it works flawlessly. It's so much better to hit a shot and everything works... Much better than having to check if it registered, and feeling relief if it did. No idea how long these will be available, but if you can get one, I strongly recommend.

If anyone still needs one of these I have one. Brand new, never used. $25 shipped. DM me.

#7638 3 years ago

PGL

aFineMoose

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New Westminster, BC

3y 42,300 149 2 19

Before I start digging into it, maybe someone can offer insight:

My Battlefield isn't working right. When active the kicker only kicks every second. No more, no less. Doesn't matter where the ball is. It was working on and off for a while, but now it's just stuck at this.

I wonder if it could be one of my optos. I'm new to the hobby so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. Is it shaped this way due to damage?

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#7639 3 years ago

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ramegoom

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Loveland, CO

11y 78,550 1,180 9

I created this left hand ramp guard to keep the ramp from breaking apart. Up until that time I had ramp damage because of how hard the ball would hit - only the two screws supported it with the original ramp guard.

Using all four screws makes the assembly much more solid and provides support for the curved ramp. Reducing the stress keeps the sections together.
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#7640 3 years ago

CCS

Mad_Dog_Coin_Op

Quoted from aFineMoose:
Before I start digging into it, maybe someone can offer insight:
My Battlefield isn't working right. When active the kicker only kicks every second. No more, no less. Doesn't matter where the ball is. It was working on and off for a while, but now it's just stuck at this.
I wonder if it could be one of my optos. I'm new to the hobby so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. Is it shaped this way due to damage?
[quoted image]

That opto looks like somebody put shrink tubing on it to narrow the beam. Clean them with a q-tip and go in to the switch test with the glass off. Test to see if that opto is working correctly. If not, remove the tubing and try again. You might need to replace the optos if it still doesn't work right. If that is the case, I would just replace the pair. They are cheap and fairly easy to do.

#7641 3 years ago

PGL

aFineMoose

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New Westminster, BC

3y 42,300 149 2 19

Looks like it’s just a broken solder joint. Time to buy an iron. Thanks.

#7642 3 years ago

JJJ

jonesjb

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New York, NY

10y 118K 3,945 3 19

Quoted from aFineMoose:
Before I start digging into it, maybe someone can offer insight:
My Battlefield isn't working right. When active the kicker only kicks every second. No more, no less. Doesn't matter where the ball is. It was working on and off for a while, but now it's just stuck at this.
I wonder if it could be one of my optos. I'm new to the hobby so I don't know what it's supposed to look like. Is it shaped this way due to damage?
[quoted image]

Do you have any pinstadiums or LED bulbs up by the battlefield?

#7643 3 years ago

TEZ

allsportdvd

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Brisbane

13y 101K 2,335 21 45

Quoted from Manny65:
Yep the reinforced targets are easy to install as they are a direct replacement for the existing targets. Note the orientation of the 2 wire colours on the existing target, desolder the 2 wires, remove the 2 screws that hold the target to the underside of the playfield and remove the old target. Then put the new reinforced target into place and attach with the 2 screws, resolder the 2 wires to their respective lugs on the target and your done.
As to ball flying off the ramp, does your machine have the clear plastic covers over the ramps (see the circled plastics in the pics)? Note the plastic on the left ramp is incorrectly installed upside down - it should go up to the lower edge of the diverter
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Loving the gold ramps mate, wish I did that to my mantis ones before installing

#7644 3 years ago

BAM

Manny65

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Quoted from Saltimbanco:
That's a nice looking, well maintained playfield and game!! I swear you must be buffing those rings!! Lol good job!

Quoted from allsportdvd:
Loving the gold ramps mate, wish I did that to my mantis ones before installing

Have to confess guys, that's unfortunately not my machine ... I just grabbed some pics out of this thread's gallery showing the ramp plastics in responding to SaltyRunBack post. They certainly do look pretty sweet

#7645 3 years ago

PGL

aFineMoose

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New Westminster, BC

3y 42,300 149 2 19

jonesjb Just factory lights for me. I'd love to get lights up in the Battlefield, though. Can't play without houselights at this point.

#7646 3 years ago

JAM

NPO

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12y 133K 7,653 3 17

Got my new Battlefield shroud installed today. Man, did Chris at Hotrod Arcade knock this out of the park. Well worth the price of entry!

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#7647 3 years ago

DJP

Chitownpinball

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