Got to WRTBY already? how the fawk are you guys setting up your games? Carrot flippers & center post with side posts all the way down? Or is everyone on pinside Keith Elwin? I think you guys are setting your shit up to easy and that's why you get bored with it. I have yet to see anyone even come close to getting to WRTBY on any GB i've seen around here including mine. Hell, i've owned LOTR since 2007, and only got 85% of the way to valinor once, out of the past 10 years. (that's as close as I ever got). Am I going to pussy out and make it easier so I can reach the end? Fawk no!. That's the journey, that's what keeps you coming back. Waiting and striving to be better, play better, and see what takes for ever to see. If I wanted a game I could blown through on the first or second play, i'd own MB, or SS or something like that.

Get off your high horse of shame. People pay good money for pinball machines and they should be enjoyable. There's a reason the center post and other mods are making a small fortune for the mod community - it's not because people want the game "easy". It's because the game shipped with massive design flaws and linear code - and people just want their games to be a bit more fun and to see more than "Who Brought the Dog" when they play. You can set up a LOTR super hard, and a player can at least enjoy fresh content each time by starting any ring mode in any order, or any of the 3 Multiballs in any order. Imagine if you had to play Witch King first every time ...or do the multiballs in strict trilogy order...locking out basic content isn't good for pinball design. Sure - save certain things for great players - Destroy the Ring, Elf Gifts, There and Back Again, etc. By being so rigidly structured, GB has locked away most the basic content from 95% of players. People don't want it "easy", but those tweaks are the only possible way people will ever see more than a couple modes due to the cheap drains out of the box and linear modes.

I really wanted to like this machine...Ghosbusters is one of my favorite movies. The call-outs are hilarious, the artwork is gorgeous, the scream! Just an awesome theme for any fan of the original movie(s). The play field just looks awesome with all of it's toys. Then I played it, SDTM. Then I played it again, SDTM. I spent an hour on the machine (set to free play thankfully) on a busy Saturday. Now I included the fact that the arcade was busy as their was no line waiting to play GB nor onlookers, and I seemed to be the only person to put more than a few plays on it. Since at the time I was considering it for a Stern NIB purchase and wanted to make an educated decision I diligently tried to put it through it's paces.

This game had so much potential, but a few design details made it unbearably difficult for me and took the fun out of it. Now this is just my opinion and I'm genuinely happy for the users that really enjoy this machine, but it's not for me. The good news is that we have so many choices, we can really buy a machine that makes us happy and keeps is coming back for more. But, it's a big disappointment for me that such an awesome theme turned out to be a turd of a game.

But on a positive note, at least Stern hasn't ruined my favorite movie of all time "Karate Kid." lol

It really does shoot like crap.

Huge improvement...the game should come installed with the shorter hex spacer.

I installed the shorter hex post on my premium ramp and that shot is still tough as nails. I can't tell if I'm just terrible at hitting it or if I need to adjust it some more.

i'm just asking how the hell we have so many Keith Elwins on pinside.

I want to love this game as the theme is very close to my heart it looks the dog's bollocks, but everytime I play it on location I walk away unimpressed. Maybe it is a hardcore game for the home pinhead, but to me the drain factor and clunky shots equate to zero fun. I have every reason to believe that at least 3 out of the 4 location games I've played have been setup so it's more than that. It's shame as like I said it's gorgeous as pinball art goes.

Gb is one of sterns best games - full package with art sounds and gameplay. The code is really good too.

It is very hard, if you brick a shot etc then yea your probably going to drain, which is why I think alot of people get frustrated with it.

If you like hard games like twd or im, your probably going to love this game. If you want a walk in the park, you probably wont.

Factory settings but I change free game to extra ball so there is one extra ball. Tournament play is set up with no extra balls so I would have 3 extra balls (two from factory code and 1 extra from scoring). That is my 6 balls against his 3 and yes I am not too bad of a player. Also in 8 months I likely played 1000+ games myself including and hour or two at a time.

Toward the end I also started doing I reset if I didn't get the mode started with the skill shot. Because without a mode the game sucks really really bad.

Now someone might say after playing so much of course I would get bored... not true. I did the same with METLE and the same with STLE and same with LOTR and TSPP yet they remain still after years with different games every time I play. GBLE was just the same game, same options after ghost 20,50, etc and same mode options on each ladder 1 by 1.

For the record I have gotten 1 shot away from Valinor and never finished TSPP. I have completed METLE and have completed 2 sets of STLE inserts only. Games are all set the same - factory with just an extra ball instead of credit.

awesome. That's what I was curious about. Many on here say they do all these things really quickly on games, and i'm curious on how. Like getting to cybertron on TF. I havn't even reached sentinal prime yet and I wonder if I have my games set that hard or what the problem is. Because others that come over for tournaments and leagues don't do it either, yet Pinside seems to be cranking out wizard modes left and right. I have yet to see a wizard mode on any of my newer sterns. All my B/W and DE titles I would see a wizard mode in hours or months from owning it.

I own Transformers LE, purchased in December 2012...I finally got to Cybertron for the first time the other night...one of those times where I couldn't miss a shot. As for my other games, I have never made a wizard mode. Iron Man, I have made it to the do or die shot and jerricho missile mayhem...not sure what those are considered.

IM is one of my all time favorites. I enjoy TWD enough to play it on location. I hate GB. Difficulty is not the issue with GB. Poor/unfair design & linear code is. The game is not even remotely comparable to IM or TWD.

I got to say all the ghostbusters talk. There's a lot of it. That in itself is a good thing. To me.

I've played it, I have friend who has it and loves it. So does his wife. They are pretty good players too. I probably will never get my own but he is very happy. I'm very happy to play theirs. I am only turned off by all the weird ass production issues. That stuff has to go. But my buddy had no issues with his gb not sure which version.

What this guy said.

Nah, I have my issues with it too. Some code, some design.

The single biggest problem is lack of ball control.

I kind of agree with all comments good and bad. It's a frustrating game where things just don't seem to work very well. I still enjoy playing it for some reason. Definitely not Stern's worst.

I've had a gb premium for about 3 weeks... it's about the most frustrating game I've played. The biggest killer is the flipper gap... just not a lot of fun imho. Pretty disappointing. Tonight I just had to walk away.

It's not gonna magically become more fun. Time to walk away for real. Get a fun game!

I'm honestly considering it now... I've owned tron... currently have iron man, Star Trek, and got le and they have been way better and fun. I don't want to jump on a game.. but holy crap this game is bad.

10 months of Pure Fun for me!

New Code Release to be coming!

He said the biggest killer for him is the flipper gap. Now I dont agree that is the worst thing because there are far worse things after you play it more but how is code going to fix the flipper gap for him?

Great that you have enjoyed it and continue to. It really does depend on the player and what you are looking for. I wish I could have enjoyed it more long term because it really was a nice looking pin.

I held on for so long before deciding to stop fooling myself. Haven't missed it yet and don't think I ever will. Someone could just play the audio clip "OK Who Brought the Dog" and I am good for 12 more months. Lol

I've put a lot of $ into the Pro and Premium on location and I just cannot get away from the huge flipper gap, terrible side drains off those shitty low rails, balls flying all over the place. Gap and side drains - pure fun killer. I don't even take the free games all the drunks leave anymore.

There are issues with the game's design, but the gap isn't one off them.

I don't get the criticism with GB at all. It (Premium or LE anyway) is the most fun game I can remember in a long, long time. I think the modes, callouts, shots, music, and dots are all fantastic although I'm looking forward to a color DMD. The entire artwork package is just fantastic. Both me and my kids have lengthy ball times so I don't understand the suggestion that this is somehow a drain monster either. Absolutely love the game but to each his own.

It absolutely is. Follow the money = those center post kits have sold SOOO WELLLL!

Had the game shipped with normal flipper gap and maybe a center post, that would have been a start in correcting the design flaws. Any owner/op who felt it was too easy that way could have easily removed the post and/or added lightning flippers to widen the gap.

Word is that the gap was wider than Trudeau intended, but it was too late to change it...and Trudeau has been told to put a normal gap on his next game.

I put the carrot flippers on, gap is still bigger then a normal gap and i love playing the game kept the outlane posts at factory dont have any real complaints still will get some cheap drains but its pinball.

Well I sold mine very quickly. Look, good, bad, or indiff'rent to design it just wasn't rewarding game to play for me. If that's how you're feeling, just sell the damn thing and let someone else enjoy it and you can move on. Not every game is for everyone, it isn't a sign of failure to get rid of it

For those of us who don't like it, the issue isn't "difficulty", it's a design that is anti-fun and rules that are repetitive. You keep bringing up the billions of points - sure that might be interesting for a tournament player, but most people who approach a story/comedy/mode-based pin like GB aren't looking for points exploits...they're looking for a fun time with those characters and one-liners...due to the cheap design and linear rules, you rarely experience what you want to experience since the characters and audio clips are locked away in the modes no one can reach. I can set up any mode based game to be super difficult, but because most games randomize their modes and have lots of other shots that give satisfying reactions, you can have a different experience every time you play. GB is exactly the same, in the same order every time.

I've had the occasional long billion-point game on GB, but it still wasn't satisfying as I only got through 2 or 3 modes. It always feels more like a survival grind than fun.

If you actually owned the game and put some decent time on it, you'd realize the gap is a non-issue. The center exit from the pops is what causes the SDTM drains, and those would happen even with the standard gap. SDTM is SDTM. The droopy flippers ARE an issue, as the make ball control much harder. The center exit by the pops is an issue. Airballs can be an issue. Lane jumping can be an issue.

The gap, however, is not.

Namaste.

I agree, all of those things are issues...and I have had decent time on it. I don't have to own it to know what I know. Which is the same thing you know. Peace.

The reason I think GB sucks is because I don't have time to play it more.

Good God. Are u hoping Stern tracks your amount of negative reviews and pays you to stop posting or are you on another company's payroll? It's bordering on hysterics.

Look at the title of this thread.

Look at other people's comments.

Ask yourself why you're focusing on me?

Don't like it, put me on ignore.

His hate toward Ghostbusters is beyond stupid and its literally consuming him and sucking the life out of him. He needs to get over it and move on already.

There might be 50 monkeys in a zoo cage. People pay attention to the one in a jumping up and down, screaming and throwing it's own poo.

Did you catch ghostbusters in bed with your wife or something?

Nah, but I think I'm catching you blowing a load on Ghostbusters as we speak...while your wife has a finger up your poopchute, your cat licks your balls while your dog humps it, and your gramma watches.

Cuz...yeah, cuz that's where this has gone.

Cheers!

Also Ghostbusters sucks, as the subject says. If that bothers you, please go to the "Lets blow loads on Ghostbusters" thread.

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I took his advice and couldn't be happier. I do enjoy the pro though. BTW The Tobin insert started ghosting too (the game was made late december ).

Love love love the theme, but after playing it at two friends' houses I have zero desire to own one.

Game is a dud.... sad to say, but true....

I was eager to own a Ghostbusters. I traded my Metallica that I was getting sick of for a GB. Metallica played great and being in the Pinside top 10 made me never want to get rid of it. I lost sleep over this trade in the first two days. Finally I started practicing on GB and got pretty good at it. The honeymoon phase is over and still I totally love this game. Getting this game tuned in and leveled good is important for gameplay. Add a Shaker motor and a decent subwoofer can make it phenomenal. I rank Ghostbusters in my personal top 10 where it will remain for some time to come. For many reasons I have to answer the poll with no to agreement. To each his own though right?

Dude!!! OMG this is a PG-13 forum! Please edit!!!

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion of Stern's Ghostbusters. But you can throw me in the pool of die hard fans. Everyone that comes over plays GB the most. Not one complaint about the machine (but they don't complain about any other machines as well lol). I read all the good and all the bad in this thread. To each their own I guess.

This pin will never leave my collection, and sits nicely next to my A pins .

You first. You insinuated that GB banged my wife. Don't be a hypocrite. Don't insult if you can't take it flung back atchya.