Quoted from ZMeny:What recently released game deserves an F?
Mun is a solid D at best.
Stranger things is a C- at absolute best and that is on a good day.
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Quoted from newovad:My wife thinks Munsters is great and doesn't care for Jurassic Park. Opinions are not facts. Welcome to the land of subjectivity.
well of course...
but in general terms, the majority will tell you Mun stinks. Consensus is that is is a dud.
Quoted from ZMeny:Appreciate you putting yourself out there with an overall grade, it’s not easy to quantify.
For Munsters Pro and Stranger Things Prem/LE, grade the following categories
- Art
- Shots & Layout
- Rules & Code
- Toys & Innovation
- Music & Call Outs
- Display & Animation
- Theme
- Enjoyability
MUN
- Art 5/10
- Shots & Layout 5/10
- Rules & Code 3/10
- Toys & Innovation 3/10
- Music & Call Outs 6/10
- Display & Animation 5/10
- Theme 7/10
- Enjoyability 3/10
ST
- Art 6/10
- Shots & Layout 3/10, the demogorgon ramp is crap along with the dumbest kickout ever made
- Rules & Code 5/10
- Toys & Innovation 3/10
- Music & Call Outs 6/10
- Display & Animation 5/10
- Theme 8/10
- Enjoyability 5/10
Quoted from metallik:The market will tell you in very specific terms that Munsters sucks. Everyone has an opinion, but when enough opinions align to drive the price into the cellar, you can start to state opinions as facts
yeah... pretty sure that opinion has become fact.
MUN was what??? 5500 originally.
Selling for 4300-4500 on secondary.
That has to be the quickest drop in market on a recent Stern in the past 10 years.
XM and AV are the next closest. It took a while for XM to drop.
MUN dropped quicker than WWE.
Quoted from ZMeny:whysnow thanks for the ratings. So you’ve been pretty brutal to my inability to confidently rate a game, but looking at your scores a little closer:
MUN
- Art F
- Shots & Layout F
- Rules & Code F
- Toys & Innovation F
- Music & Call Outs D-
- Display & Animation F
- Theme C-
- Enjoyability F
Cumulative Grade F (0.20)
ST
- Art D-
- Shots & Layout F
- Rules & Code F
- Toys & Innovation F
- Music & Call Outs D-
- Display & Animation F
- Theme B-
- Enjoyability F
Cumulative Grade F (0.37)
One could argue that your grades are flawed and likely are affected by outside interest or exaggeration. For example, many would question your assessment ability, given your Munsters Art rating of F, considering the game received an award for Art. Other things I would consider highly questionable is a Munsters Shots/Layout of F, STh Rules/Code of F, STh Display/Animation of F, and STh Innovation of F.
The point being, it’s easy to throw shade at those rating games and sure it’s subjective, but that doesn’t take away the fact that a lot of thought and work go into grading and reviewing a pinball machine. Just my two cents because I love reviewing games and take it seriously, regardless if that’s foolish or not to others.
you over rate
I under rate
Sounds like we should probably do a show together and even all the BS out.
Quoted from chuckwurt:Probably better to see which stern games aren’t a F for him. Probably only a couple. And if your ratings reek of agenda, his certainly do as well.
Now we’re back where we started. Haha
I like quite a few actually and own pretty much all of them.
TWD PRo is great. JP2, IM,BMDK, GOT, IMDN are all good.
That is just off the top of my head.
This image is all the stats anyone needs when constructively critiquing the caliber of a their friendly local salesman/distributor/podcaster...
When you have those games in previously owned, but Popeye in your current collection... case closed. lol
You like some turds and that is cool, just own your opinion. You like and rate some pretty horrible games very highly.
Reality to me is that if you were not a salesman, your real preference is likely a mix of your currently owned and wishlist games.
In other words, only 4 Sterns out of 20 games. That is all any collection really ever needs anyway.
Toss on these 'stats' that 40% of your currently owned is Stern and 50% of your previously owned is Stern.
When it all comes down to it, most of these 'highly rated' games just dont make the cut in your 10 game collection.
pasted_image (resized).pngQuoted from ZMeny:Hilton I have no clue the point you’re trying to make here haha. Help me better understand.
My top 5 sdtm reviewed games (also the only As I’ve given) include the number 1 game being a B/W (I don’t sell those new ), 2 B/W, 2 Stern, and a JJP. Only one of the top 5 I sell. What am I missing?
no point
just giving you shit. all tongue in cheek.
Reality is that your sales bias is strong and you know that. You will hype every new machine (or $600 topper) that you can. That is smart and what you should do. Everyone has a filter. Yours has changed (as it should) once you started selling. Mine changed once I started operating and hence why many Sterns lose their appeal quickly as the QC issues come to light.
My personal game list and yours, are different than totality of ratings due to the sales and operator bias in many cases.
If you want to team review a new game in the future then LMK. I actually got into the current century with a new PC and nice microphone so we coudl do something fun sometime.
1 week later
this shit is one of the weirdest most "create the drama for clicks" things I have seen in pinball.
Seems like Zack is taking his tips from Kaneda on how to become the Star.
Seems like Jack and Zack have this whole WWE type false rivalry going.
All very TZ type shit.
Up next "BatBoy is real, and he plays pinball, but not the ones you expect"
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