That was a really good episode. Really enjoyed the interview with Charlie.

Fathom great news.

Give or take a month, Im not sure but Im eagerly awaiting the next episode of the Silverball Chronicles. RandomTask @theotherguy

The takeover is coming.

I enjoyed Matt’s latest interview with John. It’s great to hear the stories! I have really enjoyed all 3 episodes-

What is this junk? Only NWO is with Ministry, known truth.

https://vimeo.com/44568228

come listen to 2 guys who refuse to admit they were ever wrong ever. And mostly 1 guy just begging for the attention/praise of Kaneda.(just noticed the time stamp for the start of the regular format. Will skip past the rest of the first segment. Thanks for that Mr Sinister

Well if anyone longs for the day of the presidential debates, you can relive it here. But hey, got me to listen to some of it for the first time in a long time.

Man... this one was rough to listen to. Couldn't tell if this was an act or if delt was really a genuine jerk. Jesus.

Glad it was theraputic for you, but Id love from this point on lets just move forward. We had Greg and Ken come on and both discuss their thoughts of the early TPN days. I love all the podcasts and look forward to it each monday as TPS is my favorite overall(and somehow I apparantly block out the all the subliminal FlipNOut messaging and somehow buy from cointaker, heh) and just want to move forward!

I did find it interesting that when it comes down to Pinball and taste you and Delt had similar thoughts much of the time. So Id say bring on a few folks from time to time to talk pinball, but lets just move past all the other stuff! The second half of the podcast(the regular format) was good though I have about 30 minutes to go. I just cant jog that far anymore damnit.

Some thoughts about the... 'interview'. Much respect for Delt31 for going on and outlining his issues. I don't know why he has issues with something 'outside his real life'. Anywho, he made a few assumptions to support his narrative so, and since I'm sure others share these thoughts, I figured I'd publicly add some to the facts that ZMeny mentioned...

- I generally talk to Zach daily and would consider him one of those... Internet best friends?

FnO Shills

- I don't promote Flip N Out on Silverball Chronicles nor have I EVER been asked directly, or indirectly to do so by Zach.

- When creating Silverball Chronicles I only ever negotiated with Dennis and had zero dealings with Zach on bringing Chronicles to TPN.

- Zach promotes Flip N Out Pinball on his podcast, I promote my business...

- I promote TWIP every month on my TPN Podcast and will continue to do so. I have had ZERO conversations around this with Zach. My assumption is, he doesn't care...

TPN

- My understanding has been that TPN was never, 'Zach's Network'. It was Zach, Dennis, Jason, Greg and Ken's. Now it's Zach and Dennis' with a committee who make all the decisions. Myself, George, Dennis, Zach, Joshua, Kevin and Lindsay are 'the committee.'

- I wasn't involved in the TPN Launch but my understanding from looking from the outside was the only issue was the first promo video had only white men, and influential people jumped on that and created the narrative that everyone involved sexist and racist... The discussion and trolling which followed caused some TPN people to say 'screw it' and leave their stake in the network. Folwer was so mad he sold off the majority of his collection basically quitting the hobby.

- The committee has shot down a few dumb ideas Zach has had. Zach has also had some great ideas. He's firm but fair when we debate but he doesn't steam roll us. The committee has also shot down idea's I've had of which I'm still bitter...

- When the committee has an issue which causes conflict, we often wimp out and ask Zach to handle if for us. Some of us don't want to be the 'bad guy'. It isn't fair to Zach, but its draining dealing with silly 'real life like' BS when this is supposed to be my fun hobby...

- Don't Panic Flip generally makes the majority of decisions when it comes to the streaming part of TPN.

- Zach has never once mentioned podcast numbers for TPS in our TPN Chat or to me privately. I've had to ask how many views Chronicles gets... my assumption is he doesn't want competition amongst us TPN Podcasters for numbers. He wants us to focus on making the content we want make and enjoy vs. outrageous content for clicks.

- I don't listen to Kaneda, I only hear what he says from others or in TWIP.

- Most of the Podcasts come from people reaching out to us via email and do an 'Off the Record' pilot, then the committee making a judgement based on the public feedback.

The PIAS

- Zach isn't the only person to think of a second award show. I thought a 'critics choice' award show would fit in well with pinball and give a different perspective, in addition to the TWIPYs. So, because I was a nobody with 2 podcast episodes, I reached out to Zach in April of 2020 about starting a critics awards show. Basically, I thought I needed to hitch my wagon to a bigger horse. Zach let me know he and Dennis were working on an idea already and would ask for input if they needed it. Wait, now I think he blew me off actually...

- I'm not saying the PIAs were my 'idea' but I approached Zach before he even approached me. I joined the PIAs in Nov 2020 when Dennis mentioned the project was going forward and they needed to figure out if it was actually going to work since we had 2 months to pull it off.

- I literally wrote all the Pinball Industry Awards criteria, website, market materials, ballot applications, ballots etc... with ZERO input from Zach. He approved zero, and only saw the materials once they were online. The same time the public saw it.

- The idea for PIAs Excellence Awards was Zach and Dennis. This format and execution was all mine. It could/should have been better but I ignored most of Zach's input which may have made things easier for me... Live and learn... This year will be better.

- I planned on opening the Pinball Industry Awards Pinside thread but because my day was very busy at work and I asked Zach to open the thread instead. He got crap for that.

- Zach gave me a Batman 66 Stern banner, which I didn't ask for, just to say thanks for the work. Like, it randomly showed up in the mail at my office because he knew I loved Franchi's art work and OG Batman.

- What ever issues Jeff Patterson and Zach have is their business. I haven't ask nor do I care. I like Jeff and what he does. I support TWIP monthly and use Silverball Swag as my merch provider. Also, check out https://silverballswag.com/collections/silverball-chronicles and grab a shirt.

In closing, I really like being part of TPN but the BS narratives like the baseless comments some people have is really draining. I shouldn't have to make a post like this guys... It takes all the fun out of it. That being said, my ego gets a good pump up from doing this, so I guess I'll sick around

This isn't just a pinball phenomenon, its a human's learning to use the internet thing. Like the creation of the printing press before it. You know there is a reason people are scared about creating content, you put yourself out there and crazies personally critic you based on zero actual knowledge. Zach obviously doesn't like failure and refuses to give up. Good on him, I'm proud of him and he's a friend.

Cheers,

Dave

As a member of TPN it sucks how negative some people view it. It is also a slap in the face when people assume all my content is edited or controlled by someone else. I don't blame Jason or Greg for leaving because this type of negativity really takes the wind out of your sails for content that is supposed to be fun. I'm glad people are passionate about this hobby but I hope they realize that TPN is 30+ people and the PIA's were 40+ people so insulting them attacks way more that just Zach.

If I left TPN tomorrow the only thing that would change about my podcast/stream is I'd remove one logo from my streaming layout and I'd have to start paying podcast hosting fees. Dave from Silverball Chronicles would be out of my life though so it might actually be worth it...

Holy effing cow, Delt31. You really really come across as a guy that's a huge asshole, but thinks he is winning an argument and is too stupid to know otherwise. I wish you hadn't gone on that show. [Removed]

I'm not sure people are particularly interested but easy enough to skip my post. You've raised a few items that involved me so I'll provide a few elements for clarity.

When creating Silverball Chronicles I only ever negotiated with Dennis and had zero dealings with Zach on bringing Chronicles to TPN.

Back during launch the goal was just to quickly assemble a small group, with the idea that the concept would explain itself and interested parties would come forward after seeing TPN in action. The Founders (the loose label used for the five individuals handling the administration at formation) each, as I recall, had one podcast arranged (mine was Chronicles), though I think Zach had two.

Zach promotes Flip N Out Pinball on his podcast, I promote my business...

I'm not aware of any FNO promotion on anything that doesn't have a sponsorship arrangement other than The Pinball Show. Which we discussed back when it launched with Zach, Ken, and me hosting. Agreement was it made total sense for any host to promote what they'd like on the show they work on. So Zach mentions FNO, generally the plug is at the end of the show. I don't really have much to promote but Eclectic Gamers Podcast gets mentioned at the end of the shows I am on and that's the same concept.

I promote TWIP every month on my TPN Podcast and will continue to do so. I have had ZERO conversations around this with Zach. My assumption is, he doesn't care...

Everyone in TPN makes their own promotion determinations, sponsors, swag systems, etc. The goal was to create a self-support system of content creators but folks make their own decisions (TPN would step in if, say, someone went on a racist rant or something, but as Zach noted in the episode we don't actually take folks' content and edit it/censor it).

My understanding has been that TPN was never, 'Zach's Network'. It was Zach, Dennis, Jason, Greg and Ken's. Now it's Zach and Dennis' with a committee who make all the decisions. Myself, George, Dennis, Zach, Joshua, Kevin and Lindsay are 'the committee.'

I don't know whose "idea" TPN was... it's irrelevant, but I've been quite public with my thoughts about ideas being a dime a dozen and not understanding obsession with who came up with what (action is everything).

TPN had a starting core group of five people called Founders for shorthand convenience. We were not all onboarded at the same time (when I was approached everyone but Jason was involved) so I can't speak about discussions that predate me. The Committee handles the administrative work now; Zach and I tried doing it as a two-person operation and, just speaking for myself, I got really burned out. So we asked some TPN members to help out. All major decisions run through the committee system.

The committee has shot down a few dumb ideas Zach has had. Zach has also had some great ideas. He's firm but fair when we debate but he doesn't steam roll us. The committee has also shot down idea's I've had of which I'm still bitter...

Committee votes on major decisions (e.g., adding new creators). Yes, Zach has lost votes. I might have even lost one (as illogical as that may seem).

Zach has never once mentioned podcast numbers for TPS in our TPN Chat or to me privately. I've had to ask how many views Chronicles gets... my assumption is he doesn't want competition amongst us TPN Podcasters for numbers.

Yes, this approach was set back in the Founder days. Part of the idea of TPN was for the members to nurture each others' content creation. Constructive feedback, tips, and the like. Listener counts were seen as a possible competitive factor. That said, any show can ask for their listeners and if they want to share the count they of course are welcome to do with the information as they wish. Several have contacted me for their listener counts.

Zach isn't the only person to think of a second award show. I thought a 'critics choice' award show would fit in well with pinball and give a different perspective, in addition to the TWIPYs.

I advocated for a critic's choice system for YEARS. That's all publicly available on past Eclectic Gamers Podcast episodes. I spent a lot of time reaching out to content creators for the PIAs telling them about the ballot process and seeing if they would participate. I assumed that level of ownership of that process because of my high interest in critic's choice systems and I wanted to ensure we had a good assortment of voices.

Also, since it came up in the episode, the reason why Zach couldn't put his thumb on the scale/change the PIA results is he didn't have sole access to the system. We used SurveyMonkey for the voting. The "raw" summary data from SurveyMonkey was sent to the PIA Committee so they all had the vote results (note this committee is different than the TPN Committee). In addition, Zach, Dave, and I all had direct access into SurveyMonkey and monitored the voting process throughout the open period. Also, because of the critic's choice approach, we were able to send direct survey invites to all but one voter (they got a custom vote link instead), which means we had each ballot tied to a specific voter who was already identified and approved as meeting the established critic criteria. Zach also wasn't who pulled the formal results for the committee (I did; and I encouraged Dave and Zach to review at will to ensure it matched what was in the system).

Long story short (too late), it would have been in my view almost impossible for someone to alter the submitted PIA results without getting multiple people in on the scam. I do not commit voter fraud, I was not approached to manipulate the votes by anyone and had someone asked it of me I would have exposed the attempt.

I'm not saying the PIAs were my 'idea' but I approached Zach before he even approached me. I joined the PIAs in Nov 2020 when Dennis mentioned the project was going forward and they needed to figure out if it was actually going to work since we had 2 months to pull it off.

PIA model was based off several existing award formats (e.g., The Game Awards and the Oscars were probably the most cited between Zach and me), further format revisions were made once the PIA Committee was established.

I think Zach was between a rock and a hard place on this one. If he scrapped it because of the content Delt would have pointed out the omission and claim tha the was "right" and Zach is the mastermind of all TPN.

I personally am glad it is up there. It really goes to show how much of an agenda people have against Zach and really hold it against all of TPN.

I don't subscribe to TPN the podcasts, mostly because I just can't keep up with that volume of content but I occasionally listen. Today it was two guys bickering - I'm not even sure what the argument was about. So I skip ahead 30 minutes and they are still bickering and I'm only an hour into an almost 3 hour show. It sounded like one of those marriage counseling shows where the couple just needs to get a divorce already except these are 2 pin heads who only know each other through this forum. Based on the content I heard it isn't edited at all. I agree, pinball content should be fun and entertaining, where do I find that podcast?

Feel free to give mine a shot if you are looking for a new podcast. Feel free to check out any other the interview episodes form earlier this year. If you have feedback I'm all ears!
http://feeds.feedburner.com/JustanotherThePinballNetwork

I watched your game room walkthrough a while back and have actually sent a link of it to a few people because your arcade builds are awesome.

Delt has jumped the shark. Zach demonstrated he is not OverLord. Lack of evidence by the Prosecution. Life goes on.

Not sure I'm going to make it any further than 5 min, but this sums up Delt31's comments in the first 5 min.

So damn cringy so far. This is sofa king awful that now I'm cracking up and going to keep going. Now on to the Main issue" of Zach and Pinstadiums....ok let's hear.

4r3nse (resized).png

What? He already knewm it was going to be a complete shitshow from jump street.

I listen to podcasts on Spotify or occasionally Apple Podcasts. Every other podcast I listen to I can subscribe to just that podcast with these apps. I'm not going to change to "myYahoo", "podnova", "get Juice", "fire ant" or these other obscure apps.

It sounds like a good show, I'll try and listen. Thanks for your comments on my game room. My main complaint with TPN is that it is too hard to filter it to a few podcasts that I enjoy and I have time for. I don't have problem with podcasts being associated with TPN, I just wish there were a easy way to subscribe to the ones you want. For instance the NYTimes publishes several podcasts but I don't have to subscribe to all of them or use an odd ball app to listen to the ones I want.

Ok, I have to tap out.

Yes but how was the audio dammit?!

Holy - Flip N Out Batman(shameless plug for the # 1 shill) - You TPN guys sure have your panties in a wad over a show that asked Delt31 to come on and voice an opinion or as some would say a narrative

Now as a group you roast the guy and duth protest way too much, which usually means some truth in there amongst the weeds.

You know, not all have drank the same BUY, BUY BUY cool aid and see things for what they really are - you know - CLEVER MARKETING USING SOCIAL MEDIA to make bank

Nothing wrong with that, but just admit it so we can all move on to talking about KANEDA winning his 5th Twippy

Unfortunately, I could hear Delt.

From what I heard, I have more respect for Zak.
Like trying to have a discussion with a conspiracy theorist.
Many conclusions based on assigning motives to people to support the theory.
Ignore or don't believe facts and logic that don't fit the story.

Thanks, I didn't know about this but just tried this and it worked. This should be a key post.

Hey all, Zach messaged me when the podcast dropped that he talked about me and/or TWIP and/or the TWIPYs which I appreciate the heads up. I poked in on this thread as I saw it was on fire, and it looks like most of it is between Zach and the delt guy, but saw TWIP and me brought up a few times in here. I haven't listened to the podcast and don't plan on it (in part due to length, in part due to avoiding drama) but if there is anything I need to answer or respond to or clarify hit me up or PM me. - Jeff (TWIP)

What's up fellas. I know this thread is dominated with TPN 4 lifers so just a quick message - Zach and I thought this would be entertaining and I know it's pretty long so for people that want to skip the marriage counseling, they'll find an engaging (positive) conversation about the latest in pinball an hour or so in.

Zach - appreciate the invite. I enjoyed the discussion. I also appreciate the positive pms I've been receiving from pinside members. Thanks guys.

Cheers

It's a trap!!!

This was the best podcast to date

That was painful to listen to. Interesting, but very awkward. Delt was way out line. I see what he was trying to say, but jeez. What pitiful, half assed, moronic, weak, nonsensical and amateurish waffling responses to every question. In Delt's world, he is a king. In my world, he is a shitty joker.

This was one of the coolest interviews! John is so laid back, humble and must have a lot more secrets to tell someday. great job Matt.

He acted smart and asked questions he was sure he knew the answer to. When he didn't receive the answer he wanted, he resorted to insults like he was some sort of mega genius.

There's got to be 4x more podcast content now than there was 2 years ago. Lots of great new podcasters, but SC is what I look forward to the most.
And though I do listen to Kenada from time to time, the TPN crew is just killin it...even for 5 months when there hasn't been any new releases.
Keep up the good work, all of you, and thanks.

Zach brought the receipts , good interview you overlord you!! I was close to hitting the fast forward, but listened in it's entirety.

Priceless. Nice to put a voice to the ass.