I must admit that even if I have complained about ZMeny singing before, I listen to most of the stuff released. If Im in a good mood the damned singing is actually quite entertaining sometimes.

Need more Randy Neuman, lol.
Also, the GnR mixed with the goat screaming was genius. I loved it!

Had to shut this one off 22 minutes in. Garbage like this is why you don’t win twipy’s.

I'm with Dennis. It's not a fan layout, Zach.

"A fan layout is a game with only 2 flippers and goals laid out in an arc at the top of the table. While every pinball game by its nature has a basic fan layout. Many break the pattern by including secondary sets of flippers to break up the shot mix."

AIQ has a third flipper and not all the shots are accessible from the lower flippers, therefore AIQ is not a fan layout.

Travis Murie (Marv Loco) made some very valid points regarding the reveal streams. I hadn't given it much thought until hearing his comments, but I do agree that there should be a higher level of professionalism versus the normal casual streams. I hope ALL of the manufacturers check out what he had to say.

The inner loop off the upper left flipper.

^^^What chuckwurt said^^^

The only games I can recall that has a third flipper that I would still call a fan layout is hobbit and like satin doll. Haha

Edit: and No fear.

Not sure how you would define games with upper and lower playfields though. I would say each playfield would be assessed separately.

I was thinking about that, too. I would consider BKSOR pro a fan, but not the premium/LE.

I'm thinking anything with an upper playfield would not be considered a fan just because they don't fit the definition.

Things that make you go "hmmmm."

But I mean look at No fear or Munsters. No fear is a fan all the way imo. Munsters same thing. There’s definitely excepts to the rule imo.

No fear poster child for Fan

Right so I don’t think the definition can be as black and white as having shot(s) that can’t be made by the bottom flippers

I'll add Maverick to that list. You can hit all of the shots with the two main flippers.

The Munsters is a fan layout (both playfields LOL). No Fear has shots not accessible from the lower flippers, right? (Upper flipper) Maybe it's a modified fan layout?

So maybe we need to expand the terminology.

Traditional fan layout
Modified fan layout - what constitutes this, though?

What's a layout called when it fits neither of those two categories? Or is it just fan and non-fan?

I'd be curious to know what designers like Steve Richie, Pat Lawlor and Dennis Nordman's thoughts are on this.

Maybe there is no real way to categorize all playfields by layout.

I still maintain that AIQ is not a fan, though.

You guys and your categorization fetish.

I am glad to see AIQ now acknowledged to not be a fan layout. Don't know the purpose to this pivot about sheep and growth. During the podcast discussion the entire focus was just trying to cram the round AIQ peg into the square fan layout hole. It was very surreal.

I miss the days when Zach and Greg did more SDTM youtube videos, drank beer, and gave everything a b+. TPN is so complicated now. Not sure how much longer you can do it Dennis!

I love when Dennis gets pissed off. (Even better uncensored!)

Thank you.

Truer words have never been spoken. Just doesn’t apply here.

Fan layout:

Generally a layout with only two flippers, where all shots from those flippers form a fan pattern across the playfield, resulting mostly returning the ball to the flippers via a ramp inlane return or an orbit return (Medeveal Madness, Attack From Mars, and Monster Bash are classic examples of a fan layout).

Some games with more than two flippers may still be considered a fan layout, or “fan-nish”. These games include, but are not limited to, No Fear, The Hobbit, and Starship Troopers.

Furthermore, some games that have only two flippers can be considered a non-fan layout by putting the ball on a path that is not consistent with traditional fan layouts. These games include, but are not limited to, Deadpool and Original Avengers.

For situations where a game has multiple playfields (Wizard it Oz, AC/DC, Family Guy, etc), it is recommended to assess each playfield separately, but there is a certain amount of judgement that is needed in these cases.

How’s that?

What’s the fanniest of all the “fan” layouts?? Will Flip N Out offer fanny packs now??? #fanny

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Me while listening: "Ugh....Zach's singing again."

Me two hours after listening to the podcast: ""Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na...she's got the look".

"He's added Mayo to this Cuban Sandwich... He's redefined Cuban Sandwiches..."

No, what you've done is created an entirely different sandwich which is Cuban-ish.

The fan layout heated argument reminded me of my parents fighting but in this case my step dad was right which makes it even worse.

Me (a newbie) listening when they say "who doesn't know what a fan layout is?"

I thought it was like fan service in movies. Stuff put in just for people who have been fans in the past.

Not, cool yourself off with folded paper old-timey fan.

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You should ask for a refund Karen.

Are there more than 3 in the industry?

I really liked the Top 3 with Orby! We could have all guessed who they Top 3 were BUT it was the commentary and why which I thought was awesome! Keep it up Orby!

Hey Zach. What about diving the show segments into multiple podcasts a week?

So basically the weekly news show, your weekly market trends, Zach sings with goats etc.?

Dennis was so pissed, I thought he was just gonna hang up the phone. Brilliant!

Message from the Freeeek Kingdom.

I love Dennis on the show, but I don't agree about the fan layout thing. To be fair, I mean, isnt every game a fan layout, really?

No.

Fan layout:
Generally a layout with only two flippers, where all shots from those flippers form a fan pattern across the playfield, resulting mostly returning the ball to the flippers via a ramp inlane return or an orbit return (Medeveal Madness, Attack From Mars, and Monster Bash are classic examples of a fan layout).

Some games with more than two flippers may still be considered a fan layout, or “fan-nish”. These games include, but are not limited to, No Fear, The Hobbit, and Starship Troopers.
Furthermore, some games that have only two flippers can be considered a non-fan layout by putting the ball on a path that is not consistent with traditional fan layouts. These games include, but are not limited to, Deadpool and Original Avengers.

For situations where a game has multiple playfields (Wizard it Oz, AC/DC, Family Guy, etc), it is recommended to assess each playfield separately, but there is a certain amount of judgement that is needed in these cases.

I wasnt being serious, fella.