Haddonfield, NJ
got caught by the hype and ordered an LE when given the chance. Im ready to curse Borg's name when those outlanes give me fits....
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Quoted from Calgedy:Got another response from Adam stating that the final fix protector is being stress tested NOW. Everyone will get the fix once it is finalized and distributed, according to Adam at Stern.
so whats on the LEs isnt the final scoop?
my game came today. Its still sitting in garage until I can get my buddy to help me lug in downstairs. I love the style of the side rails but not a huge fan of the matte black powder coat. It feels nice like powder coat but looks like regular legs to me from further away. Maybe when I have it all set up itll look better. Looking forward to playing and hope the scoop holds up!
Quoted from Craiger:Wait until you get it set up, I bet the matte legs won't bother you. The machine as a whole is really even more unbelievable looking in person.
they dont bother me, I just wasnt wowed by them. Im sure the entire package will wow me especially expression lighting which ive never seen in person.
Man wifi updates are sloooow! But i used the time to have an amazing star wars game and blew up the death star so hey ill take it.
First impressions. The LE is very pretty. Probably the best looking mirrored backglass stern has put out in a while. I really love the lights. I could not imagine not having the vuk shot but then again i havent played the pro. Game plays a lot like a borg game so far. A bit clunky in spots but really shoots well overall. Just got about 5 games in before starting the update. Overall fun so far!
Quoted from VALIS666:Huh, interesting and useless bit of trivia looking at that photo, Rush is the only LCD era Stern, JJP, AP, or Spooky not to have standard Suzo-Happ coin reject buttons. CGC and Heighway use the Suzo-Happ buttons with the fingers holding a coin. DP uses something entirely different. I should go to bed.
My last 3 games came without them. Stern buttons now. Godzilla mando and now rush.
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Quoted from SkyKing2301:Up to 300 plays on my LE, so here's an update on the scoop protectors. They're definitely getting beaten up and rolling up more and more. The edges are lifted around their entire perimeter, on both the upper and lower scoops. Continued wear on the right sidewall of the lower scoop.
The balls are also showing signs of wear, to the point that I want to replace them already. Replacing balls every 300 games is gonna get pricey lol.
I did reach out to Stern directly per my distributor's instructions. A few key points from my correspondence:
1) I was told engineering is working on it, and they have me on the list for when the fix is available.
2) "We do NOT recommend removing the protector at this time, this may void your game warranty. "
3) "For the time being, please bend the flaps back into place and secure them with a small bit of strapping tape until we have an official solution." Not really sure how well I can do this since I can't really get a bend on them, and I'm wary about putting tape on the playfield unless it's something I know will release like painter's tape. (Which will look great, lol)
I do plan to request an extra set of six balls to replace the originals, and based on what I'm seeing & feeling here, the upper scoop definitely needs to be addressed too.
Technically the issue still hasn't adversely affected gameplay with the fork fix in place, but it's definitely getting worse and it's most certainly contributing the aging the balls.
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That actually looks way better than i expected after 300 plays with the current solution. After reading your post i expected to see worse. But still concerning and reason to look forward to the next revision.
Quoted from ian866:Was having a look at the new Cliffy protectors and noticed how out of alignment the auto plunge looked with the lane.
I've attached a similar pic of a Godzilla plunge to compare ( bottom ).
Given that quite a few people seem to be having problems with the shooter lane etc, was wondering if this is the issue and is it possible to re-align it ?
( I'll apologise now for lifting the photos straight off Cliff's site, they were just good examples to reference ).
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Cliffy has a shooter lane protector out already?
Quoted from ian866:Was having a look at the new Cliffy protectors and noticed how out of alignment the auto plunge looked with the lane.
I've attached a similar pic of a Godzilla plunge to compare ( bottom ).
Given that quite a few people seem to be having problems with the shooter lane etc, was wondering if this is the issue and is it possible to re-align it ?
( I'll apologise now for lifting the photos straight off Cliff's site, they were just good examples to reference ).
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The playfields have some wiggle room left abd right. Can u just bump it over a bit?
Quoted from Av8:New fix and design for scoop.
PinTech LIVE presents Stern Pinball's Rush Premium
Let's dive into Rush Premium pinball with Lead Engineer Elliot Eismin! Jump to 29 minute mark to see the blue rubbers discussion.
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stern guy said they posted videos on how to install new scoop. Where can i find these?
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Quoted from manadams:Got my NinjaCamp protector installed and after three games here are my thoughts:
*Color was a bit darker than I expected in person but still prefer it over black.
*It still bunches up in-between scoops a tad and I followed instructions to not over tighten posts, no big deal but maybe make the material a little thicker in that area going forward.
*The front scoop is a little harder to hit with it installed, this game probably needs it anyway just because it's a long player in nature.
*Great protection so far and will see how it holds up putting more games on it
Thanks to NinjaCamp for giving Rush owners options because Stern has not offered a permanent solution as of yet in my mind.
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Anything special need to be done to get the original scoop out or put this one in? Is there anything inside the original scoop like glue holding it in? Or just the screws?
Quoted from Motorcitypinball:I read this Thread Daily, Seldom Chime In. Thanks to everyone for sharing fixes here!
I was Very Frustrated with the inner loop shot not registering.
I installed the Magnetic Reed Switch (MRS-RUSH). That still DId not fix it. I was still getting fast balls not registering. Still had a fail rate of about 40%
Frustrated I did NOT play the game for a couple of weeks.
donjagra was right! "there is no way the magnetic switch will fix the issue"
I took his advice and used the felt pad fix!
IT WORKED!
I had my best game ever!
15 plus Billion!
The felt pad helps keep the ball low to register properly!
I like the concept of the REED switch. But It doesnt solve the issue
Save yourself some money and get some felt pads![quoted image][quoted image]
So im just reading up on this. I havent noticed this being an issue but then again i dont have a ton of games on my LE since i was waiting for new scoop. So what does the felt pad do? Just slow down the ball?
I had a tmnt le and was incredibly frustrated that the middle loop shot only registered like 50% of the time for me.
Quoted from Motorcitypinball:The felt pad pushes the ball down and keeps it from going airborne!
I was amazed it actually does NOT slow it down.
TIP
I did cut my felt strip in half. If too long, it will not stick as good and was coming off. I found shortening it, made it perfect!
Thanks. Ill try to take
More notice and see if its an issue for me
Quoted from DRDAVE:Shots to the VUK end up a lot of the time rattling around and coming back out of the area instead of getting "Vuk'd up".
Ninjacamp's "Duckbilled Vukypus" (or DBV) looks like a great solution as I was just reading about their solution to this issue.
i get this too about 20% of time. It hits the hole and comes out. luckily its an easy shot
Ugh. Im in the middle of installing my ninja scoop on my LE. Was putting posts back in. Dropped tool….first time ive ever messed up a playfield. Chipped a small area near the inner ramp. You wont be able to see it from the players perspective, but i know its there. Ugh. Im an idiot. I put a small piece of mylar on it. I guess thats all i can do?
Quoted from wcbrandes:You are good, but damn nail polish works well!
Ok. Good to know for next time. Its not like nail polish would conceal it! Luckily its tucked behind the scoop and not visible. Im so careless. Lesson learned
Quoted from PinMonk:Yeah, mylar should be fine. When it nicks through to the wood you can use a matching paint pen (practice off the machine first, they can be awkward to use) to fill in the chip so it blended with the art and doesn't stand out as a wood-colored point in the middle of color art. Then let it dry, then mylar or nail polish.
Ok good point. How to get the mylar off?
Also used your pre cut mylar around drains. Fit perfect
Thanks everyone for the thoughts on the chip. Im still mad at myself, but your right its not a huge deal. Will only be a big deal if I choose to move it. Its not visable at all from the players perspective and doesnt effect anything. Pics below. I do think some sort of purple felt marker would help if I remove the Mylar.
this image is super blown up and taken from above. It cant be seen when you are manningthe flippers.
20220405_200717957_iOS (resized).jpgQuoted from swampfire:If it’s not too late, get a powerful flashlight and see if you can find the chip that came out. Then put the chip under mylar. Appreciate the heads up, I will add mylar there.
i have the chip. it came out perfectly. You are saying I should just line it up and mylar it?
Funny thing is. I had this game listed on the marketplace earlier because of scoopgate. But i enjoy the game. So i install the ninjascoop and in the process chip the game. But at least now i can enjoy the thing! The chip is my fault ill fix it up later. For now ill finally just enjoy the darn game a while. Thanks everyone
Quoted from Rushlarz2112:Just got the new ninja scoop in the mail. Was really surprised what it was made out of. Was thinking it was a chrome painted black piece. Gonna hit this QR code and see how to get this thing installed. My LE scoop has taken a beating but doesn't look too bad...but that noise when it hits just hurts the ears...hope this helps that as well.
My experience so far after 24 hours and probably 10 games. I think its the perfect material. Its just not going to break and if it did it wouldnt hurt the playfield. It also stays perfectly flush with the playfield. And i did not keep the LE style teeth on. It stays down with just the posts going back on. So this is probably how borg actually intended the scoops to behave. The bottom scoop is actually slightly harder to hit without the teeth in my opinion.
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I know its been asked. Where is the bottom scoop suppossed to place the ball? Right flipper tip? Ever since i did ninja scoop its mostly sdtm(about half the time). I tried to adjust from below but didnt do anything.
Quoted from Hayfarmer:Loosen scoop and twist it to the right as far as you can then tighten. If that doesn't help, add a flat washer under the 2 left side bolts to change the angle on the eject. Mine hits right flipper 99% now by doing both of these
So you mean loosen the screws below and then go to the top of the playfield and twist the scoop to the right?
3 weeks later
Quoted from schudel5:Gap the copper switch blades under the pop that's going off randomly. Game off, separate the copper blades just enough to give them a very small bit more gap. Too much gap and the pop probably won't fire. You probably need 1mm more gap than what it has.
Yea this is exactly what i just did and about to test it. Ive done it before on slings but never pops. Looks like the same process.
Ok that did it. Side note. Whats the consesnus on proper pitch for the game? My left orbit does allow me to feed the upper scoop by holding up the right flipper. And the middle ramp above scoops is a very difficult shot as well.
I played yesterday in league and that game was smoother.
Is the time machine suppossed to drop the ball straight down to the flippers once in a while? Or is it always suppossed to get thrown behind? Mine gets dropped sdtm sometimes because i take a break for one sec expecting it to get thrown around to
Orbit.
Is there a setting i need to adjust?
Quoted from Theguyoverthere:On the Pro, whenever the time machine would be down on the premium/LE, the magnet will throw the ball back at you to mimic the bash.
On both models, there is logic for when the ball should go through vs come back at you, based on whether or not side flipper shots are available, or if you just started a mode, or collected a combo jackpot, etc.
The most common case for a premium returning the ball to the flippers is when the ramp is raised from an instrument bonus (lit from completing drop targets), but nothing else is lit there.
In multiball, the time machine magnet should either be off and allow the ball to pass through, or, if there is an award at the time machine it should pull it through.
There is a magnet device test that can test both cases and allow you to adjust some of the timings in diagnostics if necessary
Ty!
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