Are you saying it’s like Metallica? This is the pic I am looking from the gallery, which is the same as mando and gz.

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It took me less than a minute to remove the guide. Screws came right out, no loctite on these.

Same distance, 18” from flipper tip to blue rubber.

This has been my experience. Maybe someone “neutral” who played these at LAX could weigh in. The scoop shot for me is much much easier than the upper ramp shot (and much less important).

those screws they use are a b!tch to remove as well

Not this time.

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Stern's fix can be debated but it's still leaves out protection for the side scoop which the mod shops are addressing.

I was told by Stern technical support that the one with blue rubber sides is the one they are working with and is close to the final version.

glad to hear they made it easily changable.

Ask for the new metal protector.

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I'll take B for the win!

it isn't production just wait until they ship, then they'll loctite the f out of them hahahah.

No. The ball there is suspended by the protector that is bent to shit and won't let it through.

It is supposed to go all the way through and into the 'subway' mech below the pf.

I don't see anything different about that one from the one on my LE. Maybe the ones shipped with the premiums are better, still it took them until the third run of games to get there.

I’m going to play the Stern Blue Marge fix and see how it goes. Just happy Stern got a “fix” that for the time being allows play without PF damage.

Already in on Cliffy’s waitlist and will soon be receiving those in good time.

And will take it from there. time & pinside reviews will tell which solution is best

For now, Combination of A & C

Suit yourself.

Does anyone have pics of translucent and/or purple titan rubbers on the game? I can't decide which I want to have on hand when my premium arrives...

Been covered before countless times. Mando and GZ are bigger, and the ball sits right on the eject mech (like a saucer) instead of passing through the PF into a chute with the eject.. so the ball has to pass both up and down through the PF unsupported.

Rush scoop is likely narrower due to the shot lines to both the pops and time machine and side scoop.

It's most similar to KISS (even in PF position). BUT KISS had a much better playfield and clearcoat. We're ~7 years down the road on cost reductions of materials and processes since KISS though, leading to a RUSH with poor art adhesion and almost no clearcoat at all compared to KISS. So where KISS was fine with just a little factory mylar on the front because it had good ink adhesion and thick strong clear, RUSH is a mess, both with and without a protector.

This is all down to cost reduction gone too far in many areas. It's splitting cabinets all over again, manifest in a different place (the scoop) and Stern will have to back off a bit to reduce the complaints.

It's only like that because that's what it looks like WHEN THE BALL IS STUCK due to the protector hanging it up there

I'm going try this in a different order
I'm on cliff's list to get a solution from hims, I need to contact stern or my distributor to get my limited idiot sandwich fix (to hang on the wall in shame), and I've ordered the ninja TPU solution
I want to support all those that create a good, working solution

My last message from Stern was to work with my distro on the new protector, and as of Wednesday the distro said there was no part number for this yet, and no way to yet receive it. Has anyone yet been able to order it ?

it's sad that it takes cutbacks of this magnitude and replacement costs that are through the roof for companies to reconsider some of their "cost savings"

The only thing that's for sure is Stern will relentlessly pursue cost-cutting until it breaks something, then they'll back off in that area just to before the point of breakage and look for savings elsewhere.

This was the bottom of the RUSH LE I got. First thing I saw when I took the side off to unpack it. Glop of unsanded wood filler on the cab bottom. Will people normally see it? No. But it's the FIRST THING I was greeted with when unpacking. You can see in the pic, the cabinet strap is still on it. Just SMH.

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The good news is owners have multiple choices now, just feel bad for the pro owners that got the first edition and have playfield damage.

Yeah, that’s huge and pretty ugly. My only issue is the clearcoat, but I’m reserving my comments on that until I see how Stern handles it for me.

Looks like it's filling part of a knot. I get it that wood is imperfect, especially when you're cost reducing to crappier quality as Stern has continued to do, but the fact that they couldn't be bothered to sand it flat was the part that irritated me.

I agree that is annoying and sloppy. If applied right it wouldn't have needed sanding.

I did translucent rubbers and purple posts. Hope these help. Have fun changing those rubbers!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-rush-owners-club-1/page/8#post-6768789

We have gone with (B) for our LE.

Of course, being 1/2 of the Outpost Kodelia mentioned in the original announcement, I *may* have some personal bias, and access to an early prototype

Is that worse that B/W using recycled cab wood? Cost cutting has been around a long time.

This is a QA problem not a cost issue.

The inside of my LE cabinet with glue and paint slopped on the bottom. Again, not like it's going to be seen, but just showing the attention to detail Stern has with 5 figure games.

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I have some Purple translucent superband flippers arriving today for my Beatles. I heard they are a nightmare to put on, but some guy posted a video and it looked easy as pie. Start at the thin end, press down and stretch over the fat end. We'll see...

Thanks, that looks awesome...I might steal your setup idea!

[Never mind - I see those aren’t nails, but metal connectors]

Hate to break it to you but Stern still doesn't give a damn about collectors - they think the ops rule the market.

I'd take that recycled B/W cab wood over what Stern is putting out. Much better quality wood.

The POINT is Stern is cutting past the point of failure in many cases, including wood, where they had to dial it back and include better corner braces because the crappier cheaper, lighter wood was splitting at the seams.

If you're Technical and have the tools I highly recommend getting the full Playfield protector. From Playfieldprotectors.com

It overlays the whole play field and goes on top of the factory Stern protectors. You can also remove the fork. Say goodbye to dimples.
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Have you guys tried to buy a straight 2x4 lately? Quality is not a good word for much these days. Hell last wood I bought from lowes I could have wrung out about a quart of water it was so green.

And I'll take a plywood bottom any day over the particle board shit that was used for so long.

Agree with you but you should complain about their QA not $. Your issues are sloppy but I’ve never seen them in my games. They aren’t due to cutting costs.

If you're willing to pay, you can get good wood, even 2x4s and 4x4s.

Buying from big box for wood is the first mistake. You're not getting quality wood there. We just re-did our 20 year-old fence with over 500' of fenceline and the wood was fine. We had a few rejects of 2x4 supports and 6x10x1 inch planks, but overall it was very good. We paid a little more with a local business, but the quality was much higher that what you'd find at a Lowes or Home Depot. Buying cheaper wood is absolutely cost-cutting.

Agree, but they don't make the cabs - their QA would have to reject something and send it back. And like I said, they are not catering to collectors - just ops

Do you have any pictures of the bare wood after removing the scoop protector with the test plays?

Which is crazy since collectors have to be over half their business now.

Yeah, every time I move my Abra Ca Dabra, it disintegrates a little more. Talk about a shitty cab.

Seems to be a ton of Stern bashing once again; and in a Rush owners thread to boot.
It’s a shame as it seems to have over-taken the excitement which once dominated this thread.
I haven’t received my LE yet but remain really psyched to have this beauty land in my pad.
Would love to see more owners reviews on the gameplay, the immersive music & lighting, etc. I think the pin looks to be a blast to shoot.

how hard is that to put on.. looks like it would be hard and a lot of work

I was thinking about that today too.This Game is great you will be very happy
My game seems to have no issues and plays and sounds awesome.On the other
hand its not the same feeling when you have problems.Its great when its our turn
to share and discuss problems and solutions so its productive and informative.
But your right some can be too much .

I tear down pins all the time to wax them. You just have to be organized and take it slowly. The key thing is to have a bunch of labeled baggies for keeping the hardware with each part that you’re removing. Take pics of things you might forget.

I talked to Mike Vinikour at the Louisville show. Super nice guy. He’s doing the light shows for the new side lighting, and it just gets better all the time. I upgraded my LZ when I got home, and it’s awesome with the latest. I can’t wait to get the lighting for my Rush Premium.