Quoted from Vino:Just the weekend beer talking.
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This can't be real
Quoted from swampfire:Has anyone tried using mylar over the stock metal “cliffy” to see if it helps extend its life (and to help hold it in place)? I did this for my show game, and the mylar is holding up well so far.
Yes, it helps
Quoted from Hayfarmer:Klipsch on rush and gz, polk on gnr
Not really sure why you need the bass boost, especially with the Klipsch. I've got my dials at about the 12 or 1 o'clock position (volume at 3 o'clock), and my game volume is set at 40. When that owl swoops down for the match sequence, the whole house rattles.
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I wonder if installing this will help the scoop issue as well?
Quoted from DRDAVE:I wonder if installing this will help the scoop issue as well
No, it won't help the scoop. My money is on inconspicuous Mantis style protection (for both scoop holes).
Quoted from sudsy7:My money is on inconspicuous Mantis style protection (for both scoop holes)
If Mantis does not come to the rescue, I may have to take RUSH off my radar. Not interested in one of the main features in middle of pf getting mangled and nothing you can do about it? Really hope Stern will actually do some beta testing for their next title-seems like they 'Rushed-RUSH'. Really sad spending thousands of dollars to have to deal with the scoop debacle.
It looks like the new fix has a Mantis style protector incorporated. That should help. It would be nice to have that part on the upper scoop as well.
Quoted from beelzeboob:Not really sure why you need the bass boost, especially with the Klipsch. I've got my dials at about the 12 or 1 o'clock position (volume at 3 o'clock), and my game volume is set at 40. When that owl swoops down for the match sequence, the whole house rattles.
Naw, you just think you have bass now, it makes a huge difference. Much more detail
Quoted from Schwaggs:Anyone else try enabling physical locks for the scoops? Whenever I do, it resisters the ball is locked and serves up a new ball but when you drain the second ball, it doesn’t register, goes through ball search then launches the ball out of the scoop.
This is on .89. Anyone else seeing this or do I have a problem with my machine?
Updated my LE to .90 and did more testing. I think there is a bug in the physical lock code:
Enable physical locks in Adjustments feature #5 (this is off by default for some reason). This will allow locking balls under the playfield in the little window.
Lock a ball. A new ball will be fed into the shooter lane. (Correct)
When the second ball drains, the game goes into ball search and ejects the ball from the lock.
I checked all the trough and lock switches and they seem to be working.
Anyone else tried enabling this?
63E7F2EE-15A9-4466-A82D-B53356ED2586 (resized).jpegQuoted from Schwaggs:Updated my LE to .90 and did more testing. I think there is a bug in the physical lock code:
Enable physical locks in Adjustments feature #5 (this is off by default for some reason). This will allow locking balls under the playfield in the little window.
Lock a ball. A new ball will be fed into the shooter lane. (Correct)
When the second ball drains, the game goes into ball search and ejects the ball from the lock.
I checked all the trough and lock switches and they seem to be working.
Anyone else tried enabling this?[quoted image]
I don't recall mine doing this. Bad switch?
Quoted from beelzeboob:Not really sure why you need the bass boost, especially with the Klipsch. I've got my dials at about the 12 or 1 o'clock position (volume at 3 o'clock), and my game volume is set at 40. When that owl swoops down for the match sequence, the whole house rattles.
Quoted from Hayfarmer:Naw, you just think you have bass now, it makes a huge difference. Much more detail
Hey beelzeboob / Hayfarmer !
Agree - if you have a large / high powered external the value of the BBU may diminish. However, it provides volume and cutoff frequency controls at the coin door location so there are convenience features to it. You can adjust your bass cutoff frequency between about 66Hz and 173Hz, and get 6-8 dB of gain to the input of your external sub.
Aside from the features, there are two considerations.
First, add more input signal to the external and it will get louder. A speaker tap routed to the popular PSW10 or equivalent may not provide a strong signal so this gadget can potentially improve that and give you more intensity / better utilize the power of the external.
Second, bass quality. The BBU roll-off is quite steep (~35dB / decade above ωc) so the result is some filtering of unwanted high bass that might otherwise originate from a speaker tap, of which the input filtering of the external sub is likely not able to fully remove. So, the BBU provides an additional screening out of unwanted higher bass frequencies so it should not be surprising that the result is a "purification" so to speak, of the bass signal provided to the external and less energy is wasted on the high bass area.
I'm not necessarily that energized about the BBU, but guys asked for this sort of a solution and I'm told the BBU improves the external experience. The same guys are re-ordering so the benefits must be real to them.
Thanks for your attention!
BBU Freq Char (resized).jpgQuoted from joetechbob:I don't recall mine doing this. Bad switch?
Did you change yours to physical locking? By default it’s virtual locking.
Quoted from Kkoss24:This bumper seem to make an already tight shot even tighter .
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A bit of sanding can easily fix that if it's an issue
Quoted from Schwaggs:Anyone else tried enabling this?
I enabled it for my show game, which is on .90. I’ll try to pay more attention to how it’s behaving today.
Quoted from Kkoss24:This bumper seem to make an already tight shot even tighter .
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I had no problems making that shot on mine. My last game was 290M, and I’ve only put about 3 serious games on it.
Not sure if this has been brought up but this upper protector seems to be holding up (laying flat) due to those angled overlaps on the side .The front does not have these therefore is lifting (buckling) .I know it’s a tighter hole but seems to have the room for it .Maybe Stern should router these holes 1/4 inch wider on the new machines not built yet and add those braces .As far as the machines already out the door Id be interested in replacing the front with the side braces and see what happens .
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That’s good to hear .
Quoted from Schwaggs:Did you change yours to physical locking? By default it’s virtual locking.
I did when I first got it and fairly sure I've locked a ball since .90. Could be mistaken though.
Did the new scoop fix erasers need to be that thick? I think if it was the usual thickness it wouldn't look too bad.
Quoted from Kkoss24:Not sure if this has been brought up but this upper protector seems to be holding up (laying flat) due to those angled overlaps on the side .The front does not have these therefore is lifting (buckling) .I know it’s a tighter hole but seems to have the room for it .Maybe Stern should router these holes 1/4 inch wider on the new machines not built yet and add those braces .As far as the machines already out the door Id be interested in replacing the front with the side braces and see what happens .
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The flaps are the part that was failing in the first place in the original design and why they are missing on rev2.
The flaps needed something more to stay in place
Quoted from Schwaggs:Updated my LE to .90 and did more testing. I think there is a bug in the physical lock code:
Enable physical locks in Adjustments feature #5 (this is off by default for some reason). This will allow locking balls under the playfield in the little window.
Lock a ball. A new ball will be fed into the shooter lane. (Correct)
When the second ball drains, the game goes into ball search and ejects the ball from the lock.
I checked all the trough and lock switches and they seem to be working.
Anyone else tried enabling this?[quoted image]
I first enabled this adjustment in .89 and have never experienced a ball search. I probably only have 5 or so games on .90 though, but a ton on .89.
The only ball searches I’ve ever had are when the ball occasionally gets caught on the top lip of the time machine ramp when it is raised. There is no way to nudge it out without tilting. That’s something I’d like to figure out how to fix, maybe by loosening and pushing the ramp mech closer to the time machine.
Quoted from Kkoss24:Not sure if this has been brought up but this upper protector seems to be holding up (laying flat) due to those angled overlaps on the side .The front does not have these therefore is lifting (buckling) .I know it’s a tighter hole but seems to have the room for it .Maybe Stern should router these holes 1/4 inch wider on the new machines not built yet and add those braces .As far as the machines already out the door Id be interested in replacing the front with the side braces and see what happens .
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Those side tabs were the main problem with the original protector - they would get bent up and eventually a ball would get suspended in the hole between the bent tabs. The side scoop hole is much wider so these tabs don’t get banged by the ball when it ejects.
The hole is simply too narrow and should have been wider. This is not going to get fixed in Rush (they are not sending everybody a new playfield), but I bet Borg has a post it note on his monitor reminding him what the new minimum scoop width needs to be….
I’m still holding out hope for Cliffy.
Flipper power settings - what are you using? After loading 0.90, my left-orbit-ricochet-off-upper-flipper-into-side-scoop shot isn't happening. On 0.89 I had lowered flipper power to "normal" and it was making it regularly with no problem. Now on 0.90 I've got flipper power all the way up at 255 and it still doesn't have enough juice -- a strong clean shot from the right flipper bounces off the upper flipper and lands just below the side scoop. Would the strength of the upper flipper somehow make a difference? I wouldn't think so, but I'm interested to hear what everyone else is experiencing.
I’ll try to take some close-up pics of both scoops this afternoon when I go back over. I’m almost sure that Stern added Mantis-style protection to both scoops, which means the tabs wouldn’t be able to bend up. I think new owners will be pleasantly surprised. I’ve been watching all the new Rush games at the show, and there’s no sign of any issues at either scoop.
My L/R lower flippers are set to 225, and this shot (and all others) are still make-able.
Quoted from RexPins:Flipper power settings - what are you using? After loading 0.90, my left-orbit-ricochet-off-upper-flipper-into-side-scoop shot isn't happening. On 0.89 I had lowered flipper power to "normal" and it was making it regularly with no problem. Now on 0.90 I've got flipper power all the way up at 255 and it still doesn't have enough juice -- a strong clean shot from the right flipper bounces off the upper flipper and lands just below the side scoop. Would the strength of the upper flipper somehow make a difference? I wouldn't think so, but I'm interested to hear what everyone else is experiencing.
Quoted from swampfire:My L/R lower flippers are set to 225, and this shot (and all others) are still make-able.
I set mine to 200 thinking that would be close to "Mid" on the old setting. (new range is 150-255) No problem making any shots with 200
Quoted from sudsy7:Dear Stern,
Please find enclosed my solution to the Rush scoop debacle
Meanwhile...
cringe (resized).jpg# 440 has landed! It's not a true Rush pinball unless it's christened in Canadian snow
Many thanks to Nitro for hooking me up with an LE, a grail pin for sure. Also thanks to Michael Barnard for the amazing artwork, you killed it man, fantastic job!
20220311_113014 (resized).jpg20220311_114047 (resized).jpg20220311_182925 (resized).jpgQuoted from faceforward_007:Also thanks to Michael Barnard for the amazing artwork, you killed it man, fantastic job!
.....and a special thanks to Ms. Johnson's 4th grade class for the amazing scoop protection fix and a big shout out to Maple Park Elementary's A/V club for designing the amazing sound system.
Quoted from gandamack:.....and a special thanks to Ms. Johnson's 4th grade class for the amazing scoop protection fix and a big shout out to Maple Park Elementary's A/V club for designing the amazing sound system.
Spilled coffee. Well done indeed
Quoted from BertoDRINK1:Stern Rush Scoop Protector #3. These are at the Louisville Expo on both the Pro and Premiums. 3rd try maybe is the charm???
What changed since yesterday? Looks exactly the same to me. Somebody make a mod to cover up the fix.
Quoted from BertoDRINK1:Stern Rush Scoop Protector #3. These are at the Louisville Expo on both the Pro and Premiums. 3rd try maybe is the charm???
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I cant see how that mounts
Anyone tried “director’s cut” in settings? Wonder what that is? Afraid to set it as if it sucks I might not know how to get back !! LE btw
Well damn, I forgot those too! Really though, first LE, one of my favorite bands, and they did a great job with this pin. Keep on trolling brother!
Quoted from gandamack:.....and a special thanks to Ms. Johnson's 4th grade class for the amazing scoop protection fix and a big shout out to Maple Park Elementary's A/V club for designing the amazing sound system.
Quoted from ccw2112:Anyone tried “director’s cut” in settings? Wonder what that is? Afraid to set it as if it sucks I might not know how to get back !! LE btw
With the Director’s Cut you get to fight the cave troll before starting Red Barchetta MB.
Quoted from faceforward_007:Keep on trolling brother!
Nah man, my attempt at humor (humour: Canadian spelling) was not a jab at you. Trust me I have a machine too and I am a big Rush fan. Just couldn't resist. Seriously, you are correct in saying that it is a beautiful machine. Trust me, I upvoted your post.
Quoted from faceforward_007:# 440 has landed! It's not a true Rush pinball unless it's christened in Canadian snow
Many thanks to Nitro for hooking me up with an LE, a grail pin for sure. Also thanks to Michael Barnard for the amazing artwork, you killed it man, fantastic job!
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Good lord man… next time keep the side of the box so you don’t put that cabinet down in the snow
Quoted from swampfire:I’ll try to take some close-up pics of both scoops this afternoon when I go back over. I’m almost sure that Stern added Mantis-style protection to both scoops, which means the tabs wouldn’t be able to bend up. I think new owners will be pleasantly surprised. I’ve been watching all the new Rush games at the show, and there’s no sign of any issues at either scoop.
It doesn’t look like a mantis style… it looks like they have a flat bracket mounted topside that has extensions that fold over the sides down into the hole. Then the bumper bracket looks like its on top of that.
Rev2 was a flat bracket over the cliffy-style lip protector. Rev looks like a similar mount but with extensions that fold over into the hole as well
My take from the photos people have posted
Our premium just built the week before didn’t have this new design
Quoted from TinyBlackDog:I first enabled this adjustment in .89 and have never experienced a ball search. I probably only have 5 or so games on .90 though, but a ton on .89.
The only ball searches I’ve ever had are when the ball occasionally gets caught on the top lip of the time machine ramp when it is raised. There is no way to nudge it out without tilting. That’s something I’d like to figure out how to fix, maybe by loosening and pushing the ramp mech closer to the time machine.
Thanks for the feedback guys. I looked at it and have a miss-adjusted switch in the scoop assembly.
Quoted from TinyBlackDog:This is not going to get fixed in Rush (they are not sending everybody a new playfield), but I bet Borg has a post it note on his monitor reminding him what the new minimum scoop width needs to be….
I’m still holding out hope for Cliffy.
I doubt it. That's the same scoop size, shape, and almost placement as KISS, and it sucked there, too. He's used a similar size, shape and placement of that scoop in a number of machines (normal and mirrored).
kiss-scoop-le (resized).jpgQuoted from PinMonk:I doubt it. That's the same scoop size, shape, and almost placement as KISS, and it sucked there, too. He's used a similar size, shape and placement of that scoop in a number of machines (normal and mirrored).[quoted image]
I owned kiss.
All I did was line it with Mylar .
2-1/2 years and a lot of plays.
Never a problem!
They are back to using the original scoop protector with the new piece sat on top i'd say ?
What's of more concern is if they have mounted the new piece on the posts at the rear of the scoop, that'll soon force the washers into the clear coat the amount of energy that new fix will be absorbing.
Hey ho !!
Screenshot 2022-03-12 at 19.28.19 (resized).pngQuoted from ian866:They are back to using the original scoop protector with the new piece sat on top i'd say ?
What's of more concern is if they have mounted the new piece on the posts at the rear of the scoop, that'll soon force the washers into the clear coat the amount of energy that new fix will be absorbing.
Hey ho !!
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My side scoop is the problem. This is some bullshit fix right here.
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