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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


By Xerico

4 years ago



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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (2 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (2 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (2 years ago)

Post #12872 Enaud's account of contacting fox regarding skit-b Posted by Enaud (2 years ago)

Post #13034 Description of an adversary proceeding (or AP) Posted by jasonp (2 years ago)

Post #13477 Discharge of debt denied by order Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13483 Stipulations for waiving chapter 7 discharge Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13528 Audio recording from Jan 27 court hearing regarding bankruptcy filing Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #13729 Summary of legal bankruptcy terminology Posted by Razorbak86 (2 years ago)


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#5573 4 years ago

Most business fraud stems from well meaning but sloppy actions. It seems pretty clear to me at this point, Kevin/Skit-B started out with the skills to make a cool one off custom pin, showed it off at a show at got wild adulation. He has pretty much admitted he was really attracted to the ego stroking attention. This also explains why he kept bringing the machine to shows after pre-orders were filled. What comes next is the most tread worn path in the history of business fraud. He started getting money.....and when he needed more money, he just asked and it came cascading in....and he did keep asking for money. And when he started to actually realize he was in over his head, he started lying to keep the money from going back out again. Period. Its textbook fraud regardless of when (or if) he consciously realized he was actively lying to keep the machine rolling. Judging from his last mail, he is still not owning up to this and making excuses. Armchair quarterbacking here, but this is also classic substance abuse behavior. I genuinely wish everyone the best of luck getting their money back, but its in your best interest to take any statements from him regarding refunds as false and continue moving forward with you backup fraud plans until money actually shows up in your account. Respect the patterns that have already made themselves visible.

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#7436 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

LOL! Will one person please confirm that they got an actual refund from Kevin, and not through a chargeback? Just one person...anyone?...*crickets*

"Well....see.......I am not a banker guy....so I was under the impression that chargebacks were how I was supposed to refund people...I mean, uhh.....thats what someone I heard saying once said..."

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#8730 4 years ago

An official statement from Fox licensing would seemingly shut down this tactic pronto.

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#9248 4 years ago

"The order imposes a $111,793.71 judgment that will be suspended due to Chevalier’s inability to pay"

#9252 4 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

You redacted the last sentence from that FTC summary of the settlement order, which is important...
"The order imposes a $111,793.71 judgment that will be suspended due to Chevalier’s inability to pay. The full amount will become due immediately if he is found to have misrepresented his financial condition."

Right - but I guess my point was, that even though its nice this sort of thing is getting officially intervened with regulators (which means actual institutional ramifications) it STILL will not result in people getting magically paid back. Unless the accused gets caught hiding a bank account: "if he is found to have misrepresented his financial condition". If these people spent the money and its gone...the money is gone. Sure, there might be some wage garnishing down the road but it's not ever going to amount to a refund. Just the good feeling that punishment has been levied and will hopefully act as a deterrent for future scammers.

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#17255 1 year ago
Quoted from Lonzo:

Interesting that Hilton projects himself as this ambassador for pinball but he forgets that he has been a cheerleader for failed/failing companies and he sure doesn't feel bad that he worked a backdoor deal out to get an Alien before people that have paid money and waited years for a machine.

Thanks for transcribing Kaneda's rantcast for everyone who didn't want to hear it. Seriously, a sad service no one is asking for.....You forgot to equate Heighway with Skit-B....your BFF will be disappointed.

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