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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (3 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (3 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (3 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (3 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (3 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (3 years ago)

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#528 5 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

this would be great entertainment to set up a bunch of chairs (at like the Tex Pin Fest) in one of the halls, and put like 8-10 people up there, a moderator/facilitator to ask provocative questions about Predator and let the show begin. ...and of course, tell the people up there to be extreme, controversial, paranoid, fearful, supportive, argumentative, passionate, etc...
i'd pay to watch that show

A lot of these posters wouldn't be as ballsy in person as they are online. They may not even be doing it consciously when they post.

2 months later
#766 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I can put an entire simple sys 11 game together in a single day and I have done it before. Even crazier is I did not design the game and only know where parts go from referencing photos and cheat sheets I make when taking it apart and cleaning.

1 day has got to be some kind of exaggeration.

I'd be seriously impressed if you could take a truck full of predator parts in the morning, put the machine together, and have it ready to ship that same day.

#770 5 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I put my entire stripped RG back together in about 11 hours.

That's impressive. It took BadBrick and I a solid 8 hour day, 16 man hours, to just get the wiring harness soldered back onto the playfield of F-14.

Even the ground braid took me an hour or two doing it solo.

1 week later
#909 5 years ago
Quoted from Pdxmonkey:

Stern doesn't answer every email.

I'm sure they ignore a large portion of the "WHER IZ MUH CODE" or the passive aggressive emails: "Why did you make a stupid fucking theme like Wrestlemania?".

I would.

I think there is a difference between that and ignoring people asking for refunds. Stern doesn't have to deal with that. They just show up with games, like them or not.

It certainly feels like most of these smaller companies are guys who are super passionate about pinball, but have never dealt with million dollar budgets before and the expectations that come with that.

#1012 5 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

OK guys, Thats really Blonde Tall!


#1051 5 years ago
Quoted from icust298:

If you're going to get fired for looking at a "boob" pic at work, you're not as valuable to the company as you think.

I don't care who you are, if someone complains to HR about feeling "sexually harassed" by something on your monitor, you are in for a world of hurt.

The company will protect itself at all costs. If you think you are immune to that, you either own the company or you are fooling yourself.

#1061 5 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

True! Haven't been in there for weeks! Mostly down in the Cigar Room getting it ready...

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When is the party? I have cubans.

#1064 5 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Whenever you're in Jersey, the party will be ready....

I'll take you up on that one day.

Quoted from ccotenj:

pm me when that one happens, i wanna be there...

First round is on me.

#1188 5 years ago

I really hope people didn't try to actively sabotage the project, that's pretty lame.

#1302 5 years ago

WTF? Fake email addresses? Conspiracies? Investigative reporting?

Who the hell has time to waste on stuff like this?

#1309 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

It's not that hard, it's a small hobby. They sent me the same email last week. My email address isn't hard to come by.

It's really not hard. Aurich's twitter is the 5th result down when you google "Aurich".

#1317 5 years ago

There is only one plausible explanation to all of this. Wes rectally smuggled a cellphone into prison and is using his time there to undermine other projects to make Vonnie D look good.

#1421 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

I would suggest that its FAR MORE dangerous to the health of this hobby to "prop - up" and make excuses for bad business behavior (at best) or worse, fraudulent behavior. All that does is incentivize the next poorly-thought-out business plan to take flight and start collecting money.


For as much as SkitB, JPOP and others "love pinball", it sure seems like they have done more damage than good at this point.

Maybe shipping games will help close the wound, but there is a permanent scar where the trust in startups used to be. It's a shame to think of how many honest, well implemented pinball startups there could have been.....

#1678 5 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Off Topic! We got some snow here....more tonight!

That's one hell of a hooka/bong in the middle of all of those chairs. Party at Ted's!!

#1763 5 years ago

SkitB would have left you guys in the dust a long time ago if this was a con, lol.

It's just a case of a dude getting in way over his head and underestimating the effort required to fulfill his dream. It happens a lot.

#1993 5 years ago
Quoted from Hazoff:

Damn that camera man, goddamn him. just a little lower please.

That picture is missing the bottom part. It's available if you just google for it.

#1998 5 years ago
Quoted from lowepg:

lol- I know- I was just trying to avoid having ALL my posts get warnings....

I figured, that's the same reason I didn't post the unedited one.

#2169 5 years ago

Sticking with the "J" theme, I'm always a fan of Jessica Biel.

And a little Hugh Jackman for blondetall

#2207 5 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

Ya'll are forgetting about JESSICA BIEL!

I didn't forget her.

Quoted from rai:

But what's with the man arms?

She is just in great shape. She got ripped for Blade:Trinity

Like Aurich said, different pics can make them look different. Two pics from the same movie.



#2300 5 years ago
Quoted from BillySastard:

You should "expect" to see more boob pics.

Wait no longer. Peace everyone.

#2308 5 years ago

King of the world.

Disclaimer: This is not my wife, nor my boat.

#2427 5 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

While slow and steady wins many races, and I am a firm believer in actions speaking louder than words, this is simply not the time to stay quiet. There are some major issues that need to be spoken to immediately, and must be handled in exactly the right ways.

"This is simply not the time to stay quiet." Heh.

#2455 5 years ago

What do you want them to wake up to? I'm sure every single one of them is freaking out about it, even if they are playing it cool.

Nobody wants to lose money or see something they really wanted fail. Have some compassion for them. This isn't an intervention.

#2523 5 years ago

Sounds like a lot of missing information still. Seems like the only reason not to say which manufacturer is because there isn't a final deal in place.

Did the email give timelines for getting refunds back to people?

#2634 5 years ago
Quoted from robertmee:

Because he can't afford to make a machine for $4750.

Ben Heck said this before as well, and I think I agree. Especially having someone else manufacture it for them. They just don't have the margins to absorb any type of disaster.

#2674 5 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

I'm just gonna say it.
This game never comes out.
Jpop's games never come out.

I really hate that for them if that's how it all ends up.

I'm extra frustrated that I think either/both of the projects could be saved, but it would require Kevin/Jpop to step back and let someone else run the show. Someone with a decent amount of business/lean experience.

Those people don't work for free or out of the goodness of their heart. I love pinball, but I'm not giving a thousand hour time investment to someone just because I like the industry they are in.

#2724 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

They have to keep making them for people who shop at Wallmart.

These are not the boobs I came to this thread for.

Here is something a little better:

#2794 5 years ago

Where did the whole non profit rumor come from?

#2798 5 years ago

Wow. There is almost no way he is a 501c3. If he did get that status, he lied to get it.

I take a very big issue with that. I've worked solely with real non profits for the past decade. I'd like to find out more about his claim of being a 501c3.

#2801 5 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

His understanding of a "non profit" seems incorrect as well. Just because you are a "for profit" company doesn't mean you don't have the choice to reinvest all revenue back into the company.
I think he was naive and in over his head from the get go.

Yeah. There are a lot of legal requirements of having the non profit status, and a lot of things that could get him in trouble. For example, if he really is a non profit, he would have had to close the fiscal year on a lot of the payments he has already gotten. There are numerous tax implications here. Much bigger problems than I think he can really imagine.

#3390 5 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Holy crap, people...you guys are acting like the refunds should all be issued TONIGHT.

Maybe he could start with just one of the people asking in this thread?

#3568 5 years ago
Quoted from absocountry2:

Again, I am not backing what happened or how it went down, just asking that we remember it is the weekend.

Come on man, this is way beyond him taking the weekend off. Kevin needs to man up, it's as simple as that.

Let's start with baby steps. There is absolutely no reason he can't take 1 hour of his time and refund 2 people. If you can make a rational argument against that, other than it being "the weekend", then I'll gladly shut up.

#3573 5 years ago
Quoted from herbertbsharp:

how could you be a non-profit with no real re-investment of what's left?

I haven't been able to locate any info about Skit-B being a non-profit, but the name of the registered company could literally be anything. That makes it nearly impossible to discover blindly.

While I can't comment on Skit-B being a non-profit or not, I can tell you that being a non-profit doesn't mean you have to spend all of the money you take in during a fiscal year. You can store your cash in accounts just like any other company, even through multiple years.

But on the flip side of that, there are a lot of tax implications of taking money as a non-profit, including receipting. If he took in money from other countries, like the UK, that even gets more complicated.

#3574 5 years ago
Quoted from ccotenj:

i think that any of us who run a business literally lol'd at the thought of "taking the weekend off" in the middle of a train wreck like this... i think that any of us who run a business have spent plenty of weekends at work for FAR FAR lesser issues...

Totally. I might as well be a peon at the company I work for right now and I've already done a couple of hours of work today.

#3851 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

And I just want to add, I'm sorry Skit-B. I have been one of your biggest supporters for almost the whole ride. I stuck with you through the fight with the now-wife over buying the machine, through the asking for money when I almost just took the money out to buy an X-men. Through people calling bullshit on the license.
This was going to be my first pin. Been waiting patiently for 3 years, and you make me look like a fool. I doubt I could ever convince the wife to let me get a pin in the near to moderate future (we didn't even have room for this one). So the gloves are off now, I guess.

Man, I'm sorry this is happening to you, I know how much Predator meant to you.

#3876 5 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I sure hope not, as that would be illegal without their consent.

That's not true. Only about 25% of states have laws requiring both parties consent.

#3885 5 years ago
Quoted from Noahs_Arcade:

Yeah, it's amazing how many people aren't aware of call recording. I've had to do it a few times, and I even ask myself aloud if I consent, just to be safe.

You can download a recording app for any smart phone from the app stores too, it's really simple.

#3954 5 years ago
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#4174 5 years ago

"Soon after, Kevin told Pinball News that all efforts to negotiate a deal with Fox had been exhausted and he could see no way forward."

Holy sh!t.

#4711 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Anybody else get the email this morning?

Did Kevin really send out another email saying he hadn't disappeared and is working on things?

Does he think he can still save this project? People want refunds, not another email. He shouldn't spend his time doing anything other than refunds at this point. What a complete asshole.

#5071 5 years ago
Quoted from zr11990:

I cant resist asking. How is she a witch? What can she do. Can she cast spells, curses, turn people into frogs?

It's a religion, just like any other. I don't think it's cool to bring his wife into the conversation at all.

Disclaimer: No, I'm not one of them. I'm atheist.

#5882 5 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

ALL that matters now is refunds...and we have to wait a bit to see what happens.

If he doesn't make good on the refunds, he is going to have some major problems.

#5911 5 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

All this talk of refunds is nonsensical. I am not waiting patiently for Kevin to process a refund. I am going after my money full speed. To date, he has clearly shown he is not forthcoming with anything. Why would I choose to believe him now?

I don't think you should believe him at all, nobody has any reason to.

I'm just saying that if he thinks he is having a rough go at life right now, a huge mistake would be to not make good on his promise to refund people.

This is not some veiled threat of violence, I have no interest in taking this to that level. There are other effective ways of getting things accomplished without the same level of personal risk on my end.

#5975 5 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

And if a hobo begs for money, you can honestly say "Sorry, I don't carry cash."

How long before hobos get Square card readers?

#5987 5 years ago
Quoted from PinChili:

Huh? So you can have a copyright without ever even filing for one?


"Do I have to register with your office to be protected?

No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work. See Circular 1, Copyright Basics, section “Copyright Registration.”

#6040 5 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

Agreed. But this thread went too far off topic. Stupid pictures have nothing to do with refunds.

No, they don't. But a little humor can help keep this powder keg from exploding while people wait to see if refunds actually get delivered.

If not, this thread is certain to get pretty dark, quickly.

#6047 5 years ago
Quoted from PinChili:

Dear Kevin, why do you keep using the word "swiftly" (such as "refunds will be swiftly") in your communications??

At work we jokingly refer to people that speak like that as "quasi-professional". They break their natural speech patterns to try and sound more professional.

If they just acted like themselves they would come off as more knowledgeable and confident.

#6048 5 years ago
Quoted from NJGecko:

As I'm sure everyone is aware, the mod team has plenty of sets of eyes on this thread. We are watching and doing our best to balance keeping tempers in check with everything else. This thread, we all agree, is pretty badly derailed, but it's staying open for now until the issues get resolved.

FWIW, I think you all are doing a great job with this so far. It's almost gotten out of hand a couple of times, but one of you reeled it back in.

#6295 5 years ago
Quoted from HunchbackHodler:

So in this case, telling them the truth about its sub-par quality is a good thing.

Your posts aren't helping, and they aren't a good thing.

#6373 5 years ago

Maybe you guys could try contacting the media? I know our local news has a "5 on your side" type of segment where they help people try to resolve issues, or at least bring some spotlight to it.

I bet they would be all over a million dollars being held captive by paypal because of a preorder that didn't deliver.

#6380 5 years ago
Quoted from Pinfidel:

I hear ya, but boy, I'd hate for the public to see such a negative light shed on pinball when it's making such a nice resurgence. So I hope this can all be resolved swiftly and remain within the pin-community.

I definitely worry about that, especially around the 1%/99% topic. I think the general response from the public might be "Oh boo hoo, you lost $5000 on a toy, you obviously have the money, first world problems", when that really isn't the case for a good amount of people that bought into predator.

#6659 5 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

$150,000 for each porn movie.
I could probably film 10 of them for that....

Let me know if you need a guy to sit on the set and just watch.

#6737 5 years ago

A pinball machine with an unapproved logo/theme is "bad boy" and a story worthy of being passed down?

Skit-B wasn't doing something special. They were doing something anyone can do (slap a brand on something) and they failed at it.

He is a real Billy the Kid......

#6849 5 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Guess you've never been on the receiving end of Paypal's 'suck' ability...


I once sold a remote control airplane to a local guy who was deployed overseas. He had paypalled me the money a couple of weeks before and asked me to hold it until his wife could find time to meet up with me to get it.

After a couple of weeks I just went and delivered the plane to his wife at his house. Afterwards, he told paypal he never got it and they took the money out of my actual bank account because I had already transferred it.

I called the guy and asked him if he was stupid, because I had been inside his house and met his wife. After a short discussion, she met up with me to give me the cash.

#6875 5 years ago
Quoted from Astropin:

What a friggin nightmare.

No matter how hot she is, someone is tired of her shit.

That said, I'd love to be tired of her shit, lol.

#6901 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

When someone writes 10,000 words, you find anomalies. Then you compare anomalies to posters from pinside. I'm fairly certain I know who at least wrote the majority, but there's not really a reason to share that as I'm not 100%. Just about 95%

Like writing PinSide instead of Pinside? . That made it at least a little easier to narrow it down.

#6920 5 years ago

There is absolutely no way I'm even giving my opinion on that.

#6948 5 years ago

Personally, I think the first thing to do is contact the office of consumer protection in his state. Get the name of the person you talk to, and post it back here on this thread.

Then, everyone else needs to call that person.

Getting that office interested in this is your best first step, IMO.

#6950 5 years ago

Looks like they even have online filings, but I would avoid that and call their office directly:

"To file on-line go to On-line Consumer Complaint/Inquiry, otherwise send by regular mail or fax as listed above. If you have any questions, please call the Consumer Protection Division Monday through Friday from 8:30 AM to 4:30 PM at (517) 373-1140 or toll free 1-877-765-8388."

I would tell them what's going on, don't get passionate or upset about it. Talk to them reasonably and ask to speak to a manager or a supervisor, because you have a hundred people or so that will need to file reports and you would like a single point of contact for the group.

I've worked with the consumer protection group in NC before and they were extremely helpful in getting my money back.

#6963 5 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

I did the online filing almost two weeks ago and I've heard as much from them as I've heard from Kevin.

Call the office. Don't wait on them to respond to an online form.

Don't sit on this. Get the ball rolling.

#6969 5 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

I had a conversation with Midland local law enforcement. I urge those envolved call and file a complaint.

Can you get permission from the person you spoke with to send their contact information to the other owners that have been screwed? I really think it would be beneficial to you all as a group to have at least a dozen people contact the same person about the issue.

I have no money in this, but I'd like to help you guys and this is the only way I know how. Sorry if the advice offends anyone.

#6971 5 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

I asked and it doesnt work that way. Each complaint would be one count. As I understand it, the officers gather the basic info and pass it along to the detectives.
PM me and I will give you the Ph# for Central Dispatch. That will get the ball rolling.

Cool, I hope that you guys get some traction on some kind of action against Kevin. He deserves to be punished for this.

#7411 5 years ago

Keep making as much noise as possible.

#7451 5 years ago

Kevin isn't smart enough to be a sociopath.

Just so it doesn't get lost in this barrage of posts, buyers should contact cobra99 and get the name of the midland officer he spoke to, and contact them yourselves.

Don't let a day go by where someone with authority doesn't hear from one of the buyers. Make as much noise as possible. Kevin has a lawyer now, it's time to make some racket.

#7468 5 years ago

That new article infuriates me, I can't imagine how it makes the people that paid money feel.

For him to even suggest that people should feel sorry for him is a complete insult. The little shit stain doesn't even understand why people are mad at him.

"Whhaaaaaaa, you guys involved my family, and I'm a giant pussy. Whaaaaaaaaa."

#7470 5 years ago
Quoted from ccotenj:

i think it is reasonable to say that kevin won't be real welcome at too many pinball events, et.al.... pinside may not be the entire pinball community, but i think it is safe to say that anyone who runs any type of event is a member here, and they are aware of what has happened...

Not that I condone it, but I would be willing to bet there will always be at least one person, at every event, willing to spend a night in the can for the honor of smacking him around a little.

#7478 5 years ago
Quoted from movingpictures:

Interesting choice by Kevin to employ the "I'm the worlds biggest fucking idiot" defense.

Except that he says he actually thought he figured out a new licensing model that nobody had ever figured out before.

He says:

"And, to the point where we first started this thing and we had what we thought was an agreement, I thought I was being clever. Like we figured something out, and we were doing it right and everyone else was doing it wrong for the last, like, forever."


#7561 5 years ago
Quoted from NinJaBooT:

What I find troubling is that not one single vender(Fast, Virtual Pin, The dude that made the plastics) asked for a copy of the licence agreement before they took on the project? How unprofessional are these guys to take on a project without confirming there is a proper licence in place before replicating licenced material?? I would say that everyone involved with the production of this project dropped the ball. I never thought business owners would be so unprofessional.

Easy killer. Kevin lied to everyone, even the vendors. There is only one person blame should be directed at: Kevin Kulek.

Make sure to type out his name in full whenever you reference him. Google will eventually pick it up and search results for his name will start filling up with what he did to people.

#7630 5 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

I asked and it doesnt work that way. Each complaint would be one count. As I understand it, the officers gather the basic info and pass it along to the detectives.
PM me and I will give you the Ph# for Central Dispatch. That will get the ball rolling.

I've worked with detectives before, you do have to file separate complaints, but they aren't going to assign them to different detectives. Get the name of the detective they are being assigned to, and make sure that guy has 100 complaints against Kevin Kulek to do research on.

#7667 5 years ago

Kevin Kulek. Don't forget to type his last name.

#7721 5 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

If you are a victim please gather the following to report to,the detective in midland. Please don't wait. Please call,him right away.
1- all your details, DOB, address, how much you paid, when, how much, in a one page summary email. Include dates! Declare yourself a victim of KKK and here are my details.
2- evidence of any contact you had with KKK - notes from phone calls, recorded messages, and emails. Attach all this to your email.
3- another email attached labeled Web Links where you put links to incriminating videos, podcasts, and websites. There will be lots of duplication but don't worry about that just do it.
I have to make you find his phone number yourself. Detective Brett Benzing with the Midland County Sheriff. Only 5 people have reported today...WTF!?!
Don't lay down for this! Call the detective! Gather info and email the detective ! That information is bullets in his gun.
Right now, as we speak, KKK is relaxing. He DOES have counsel now. They are taking the position that NONE of this is criminal, it's all civil. His position is he never lied, never defrauded. Don't let him do this to us. Help prove to that detective what a rat bastard snitch Kevin Kulek is.

Please do as Rommy asks!! You guys should all be calling Detective Brent Benzing with the Midland County Sherriff.

#7740 5 years ago

A lot of people assume non-profit means that their balance sheets have to say zero at the end of the year. That is not true.

Lots of non-profits have huge bank accounts that grow year after year.

#7903 5 years ago

I've had to be away from the internet all day because of a personal matter, but I'm really happy to catch up on this thread and see the FBI is getting involved.

It certainly is a lot of information to take in, but if a victim hasn't contacted the Midland detective, please get his info from someone in the know and contact him! Get your name on the list.

#7939 5 years ago
Quoted from rotordave:

And some hookers to pimp out.

A pimp wouldn't be caught dead in that tragedy of an outfit. The hat? Really?

#8058 5 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

I hesitated to mention what's been going on because I've been afraid Kevin might be a flight risk. But he's finally been serviced by the Midland County Sheriff's Office, and I have a court date with him on the calendar.
So, if Kevin and/or his attorney read this, feel free to contact me so we can settle this out of court. Otherwise, I'll look forward to seeing you there. I'm glad to see a little traction made here, although I know there is still a long way to go.

I'm really glad to hear that you have a court date.

#8209 5 years ago

I knew it, I'm surrounded by lawyers!

1 week later
#8332 5 years ago
Quoted from KingDaddy:

Has anyone considered calling the FBI and having him investigated, criminally charged and arrested?

I'm guessing you haven't read the thread. The FBI is involved through the local detective that everyone has been talking to.

#8340 5 years ago
Quoted from asay:

Oh god. I think she is one of those people who buy a Dslr, set it to auto, and then becomes a "professional photographer"


My wife and I joke about this all the time. Having a baby is this weird mutation event that turns moms into one of several things (or all).

- Professional Photographer that just bought a DSLR
- Selling essential oils, thirty one, sex toys, or any other MLM scheme they can get involved in
- Nutrition/Cooking/Health blogger
- Crossfit expert

#8346 5 years ago
Quoted from herbertbsharp:

That's so true

I also forgot start a craft making business, i.e. something that ends up on etsy or local craft shows.

Vinyl lettering/graphics is one I always see.

#8357 5 years ago

I've unfortunately seen more than my fair share of "live birth photos" from families that think it's normal to post that shit.

Some with full on vag too, which under normal circumstances really interests me, but not when it's all bloody and a kid is coming out of it.

The birth of your baby is only beautiful to you, end of story.

#8361 5 years ago
Quoted from blondetall:

You'd be amazed at how hard they market and push their "sales reps" to go after new moms and lonely housewives, because they need extra spending money and/or some purpose in life. It's pretty predatory... and that's how I'm linking this back to Predator.

It's a shame how much the companies take advantage of the situation.

My boss and I have always thought if we could come up with a way for stay at home moms to bring in some extra income in a straight forward, legal manner, we would have a huge business on our hands.

I don't know what the work is, but the concept being that a person would sign in to work on the website and get fed tasks that need to be completed, each with a dollar value associated with them. Similar to the mechanical turk that Amazon ran, but with higher paying jobs.

We just can't nail down what the black box is that takes jobs from somewhere and feeds them to the appropriate, available resources. The technology part of that is easy, figuring out what jobs fit the bill is hard.

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#8459 5 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

But collecting is like getting blood from a turnip. I'll have to wait 21 days file more legal forms to have a discovery of property made. Then the court will force liquidation of assets. So, this time next year, we might get a resolution, if we're lucky.
If I can hook up with the detective I'm going to pursue a criminal arrest if I don't get a settlement.

Best wishes for a win next week. I don't know you personally and live no where near any of this, but if there is anything I can do to help you out, please let me know.

#8469 5 years ago

Have you international guys called the local Detective that everyone has been referencing? I don't know anything about international law, but with the FBI involved I would think they would still want to know.

#8472 5 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Spoke with the detective this morning.
One thing that is slowing the investigation down, is jurisdiction. No one that is a resident of Michigan has come forward and filed a complaint!
Come on Michigan victims get your ass in gear!

If any buyer from Michigan needs an incentive to press charges, I will make it worth your time. PM me.

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#8499 5 years ago
Quoted from hank527:

Everyone is on the Jpop thread wondering if we will get our money back

Well I think that's been answered now. No, you won't.

Time to go after JPop.

#8574 5 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

I went the CC chargeback route, and things look like they are working out.
I did send the detective info to a couple of my Michigan friends who paid via other means (Check)...so I don't know where they were at in the process.

Even if you got a chargeback from your credit card, you should still contact the detective I think.

#8622 5 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

Well, I consigned that my money was gone gone gone. I watched the unfolding of the legal system, no recourse, case closed, PayPal telling me to shove it. And my take on this is:
Oh well. Yep. Had to let it go. Risked and lost. I tell myself never risk more than you are willing to lose. Coulda had a tiny limited run of Pred, got a tshirt, thanks for playing.
Life is going on without my $4750. Amazing. don't let this sour you gents.

If you are ever in my area, it's pins, drinks and dinner on me.

Good people don't deserve to be shit on.

#8755 5 years ago

On March 22nd, 2015 I wrote Kevin Kulek to ask about a refund for a local pinhead.

On March 23rd, 2015, Kevin Kulek wrote to me:

"Refunds are being processed with ****'s having a personal expedite placed on it. I thank you for your understanding in this matter."

#8773 5 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Well, my day has been an exciting day to say the least. No, I didn't get a refund but I do have some interesting information to share.

I'm really happy that you are doing the leg work to get this pushed forward. I hope you nail the prick.

#8847 5 years ago

I'm stunned and so happy that you guys are getting refunds!!!

#8919 5 years ago
Quoted from Whridlsoncestood:

250$ deposit years ago. 2750 paid June 24th last year. Build around 100. Paid by bank account via PayPal. Tried a dispute with PayPal same time as everyone else. Denied past the time frame allowed. Did not try bank chargeback. 2750 refund issued 3 AM last night. After failed PayPal dispute I just wrote it off as life and moved on. Feel like I hit the lottery today.
People said attorney said it was not Kevin's doing but every email he ever sent was always at some crazy hour in the middle of the night. Don't think people working at PayPal are processing something like this personally without Kevin's doing at 3AM. Thinking that would be a more 9-5 type of process if it was all them.

Maybe Kevin couldn't sleep and tried to make some of it right.

#9023 5 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Anyway, wanted to chime in that my claimwas settled through my bank. I got my money back.

I'm really, really glad to hear that.

#9225 5 years ago
Quoted from CaryCarmichael:

We are forming a group FB, to join PM me you email address used on FB.
We have a backup option if FB isn't preferred.
Let's at least start communicating as a private invested group. Lots of good info on Pinside is possibly being passed to Kevin, et al.

If I can support you guys with a free private wiki, free private message board, etc... Please let me know. I've got webservers with the capacity. I would even foot the bill for a domain name as long as it called kevin out in it. like kevinkulekisathief.com.

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#9280 5 years ago

I'm gonna bump this constantly. Everyone that is a victim shoud follow Whysnow's advice:

Quoted from Whysnow:

If you have not done so already NOW is the time!
Reach out to Keith in MI (lawyer and pinhead that is now VERY aware of the situation at hand) and get in on things that are happening. Much has been happening behind the scenes that can not and should not be discussed anywhere publically.
If you have had money stolen and no refund, then NOW is the time (seriously, right now! email or call this guy! It will take you very little effort since much of the legwork has already been done). Just get the ball rolling and you will feel better I can tell you that.
248-436-4833 x 111
Keith Nathanson

#9287 5 years ago

Here is another bump with info from Whysnow:

If you have not done so already NOW is the time! Seriously!!!

Reach out to Keith in MI (lawyer and pinhead that is now VERY aware of the situation at hand) and get in on things that are happening. Much has been happening behind the scenes that can not and should not be discussed anywhere publically.
If you have had money stolen and no refund, then NOW is the time (seriously, right now! email or call this guy! It will take you very little effort since much of the legwork has already been done). Just get the ball rolling and you will feel better I can tell you that.

248-436-4833 x 111
Keith Nathanson

PS - I pasted it like this instead of using the quote so it wouldn't compress the quote.

#9345 5 years ago

Adam Savage is pretty accessible on Imgur and other places. Has anyone messaged him to show him this disaster in relation to EoD?

#9347 5 years ago

Experts of Dangerous, Skit-B's second pin based on Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage (the Mythbusters).

#9350 5 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Furthermore, do they even know of the game's existance?

I think they do. I can't find the picture, but if I remember it right there was a picture of Jamie signing EoD translites or standing next to one or something.

EDIT: found the pic, he was signing them


#9360 5 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

I wouldn't put it past Kulek to get Jamie to sign one piece of "fan art" inspired by mythbusters and has no idea Kevin is claiming they are on board with the project. Look how many people JPop claimed to be on his team who had no knowledge of it whatsoever.

Anything is possible at this point.

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#9378 4 years ago

For those of us who aren't lawyers, what does that typically mean? Did he just run out of money to stop paying him?

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#9452 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

There is no Debtor's Prison in the USA.

I disagree.

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#9547 4 years ago
Quoted from KeithinMI:

chief IP counsel at Twentieth Century Fox

That sounds like a guy who might be able to throw around some weight, sweet.

If they play a part in burying Kevin Kulek, I'll even forgive them for what they did to the Fantastic 4.

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#9650 4 years ago
Quoted from PinRebel:

As a lawyer, do you believe it is legal to publicly solicit parties to join what could be considered a class action lawsuit in the state of Michigan? To solicit people to provide information on class action litigation? That seems interesting.

Why would you go after a dude who is really trying to make Kevin pay for his wrongs the legal way?

#9728 4 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

So when your caught with counterfeit goods, do you get to keep them or are they confiscated and use as evidence?
Are counterfeit items legal or illegal ? By possessing couterfit items are you committing a crime?
Is ignorance a good defense ?

You do not get to keep them.

For example, if you buy a stereo at a pawn shop that was stolen, the police will take the stereo from you and the thief will owe you the price you paid in restitution. The pawn shop will also get in trouble because there are laws around how they treat items.

Ignorance is a good defense to keep yourself from being charged, but you still are out the money and the item unless the thief actually pays you.

#9753 4 years ago
Quoted from mhkohne:

Will you people stop conflating theft with infringement of IP? You end up sounding like you take legal advice from a record company.

I wasn't commenting on copyright infringement. I was commenting on buying stolen property.

#9794 4 years ago
Quoted from Warbound:

If you were in a Walmart parking lot and were offered that pin, on the spot, for $10...you would have said no? I do not believe that for a moment friend

That's exactly what several of us are saying. I wouldn't take possession of it for free.

The games were built on fraud and lies, with money from good people. I don't want anything to do with them, I don't even want to touch them.

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#10113 4 years ago

I hope the Kulek's turkey is dry and gross today.

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#10126 4 years ago

I hope the Kulek's christmas tree is dry and drops all of its needles this week.

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#10179 4 years ago

I hope Santa brings Kevin socks that don't fit.

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#10194 4 years ago
Quoted from maddog14:

It really makes one wonder what constitutes a crime in USA these days.

Post an ad on Craigslist looking to buy some weed. Cops will show up faster than if you had called 911.

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#10231 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I personally would not touch it with a 10ft pole just for the bad juju.


You couldn't give me a Predator or Magic Girl machine for free. I'd just set it on fire.

#10235 4 years ago
Quoted from Breaking_Dad:

Does fox not see the potential....why didn't they just "take over"......finish them....sell them.....cut KK out......boom....everyone's happy.......?!..............Joey

From a scale perspective, I doubt it's worth Fox's time to think of KK and Predator as anything more than an annoyance, like a gnat on a horse.

#10282 4 years ago

I've thought they were all decent entertainment. I don't seek any of them out to watch them, but I won't turn them off if they are on and I'm surfing.

#10311 4 years ago

If you were going to do something like that, it would be a critical error to announce it on a public message board where it could be held over your head as pre-meditated.

Get in it for the long game.

#10356 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

I mean, seriously...people can't just not work for years and years right?

Sadly enough, I know some people that haven't "worked" in a decade. They take just enough under the table things to get by.

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#10408 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Probably better if Kevin never saw his dad blowing truck drivers at gas stations.

The rules of the road.

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#10437 4 years ago
Quoted from Xdetroit:

I see 3 defendants still for the 4:00 timeslot. Kevin, Amanda, and Kathy.
https://www.co.midland.mi.us/Courts/CourtCalendar.aspx search the last name of "Kulek"
There are 48 results. Does that mean there are 48 different charges filed?

Their page doesn't work in a secured browser.

"Mixed Content: The page at 'https://www.co.midland.mi.us/Courts/CourtCalendar.aspx' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure resource 'http://webapps.co.midland.mi.us/jms/mc_calendar.php'. This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS."

You can go directly to their calendar app though at:


Is anyone able to go? I'll contribute money to cover your time and expenses.

#10483 4 years ago

A whole lot of conjecture going on.

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#10842 4 years ago

I'm as surprised as ever to see people, especially CFH, even slightly defending Kevin or trying to rationalize any scenario other than fraud.

I think there are several people just waiting on the law to fail, then the fun begins. There are almost unlimited, completely legal, ways to make his life hell on a daily basis.

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#10969 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

So, fuck him. I hope the lawsuit continues...and if Kevin has zero, hopefully he will have less than zero.

Yes. This.

Also, it's hard for me to understand why anyone would defend Kevin or argue for people to stop going after him. So, fuck him.

#11120 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

So who's willing to pick up the pieces, sit down with Fox and see if we can get this sucker licensed after all?

The theme is forever tainted. I personally think its wrong to even own one of the prototypes, given how many people were hurt over it.

#11122 4 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

I never got to play one. It was down the one time I saw it. If CFH is right about the game actually being fun I could see the taint on it fading over time. I think it would be cool if the VFW had one in the lineup. There would at least be one well maintained predator available to the public. Much better scenario than nothing IMO.

I've never played one either, and won't.

Now... Rick & Morty.... That's a pin I'm ready to play.

#11150 4 years ago
Quoted from str8cash:

If anyone rips me off you better stay hidden because I'd be coming for your ass. A beaten and broken man can still attend court

That's short game thinking.

To really tear someone down you gotta be in it for the long game.

#11193 4 years ago
Quoted from HappyDayz:

My sole reason for getting my hands on the game was to look at the game code and how they solved several other issues (like boot-up sequence and powering on) for my own P-ROC project. That was it. No other grand conspiracy.

Now that you've had the time to figure all that out, is it time to light the game on fire yet? Or at the bare minimum get rid of it?

Owning a Predator will always invite hard feelings toward you, and you aren't helping yourself earn any favor by coming in here and telling people to stop going after Kevin.

I know for a fact that Kevin contacts people about wanting to get back into making pinballs, so now that you've outed yourself as one of the vultures that swooped in and got a pin from him, I don't believe you that you haven't talked to him. If you don't want to get caught up in the legal stuff, get rid of the game.

To everyone involved in the legal battle, keep it up! This is proof positive that what you are doing is having an effect on Kevin.

#11216 4 years ago
Quoted from NoahFentz:

Needless to say, I'm tired of 'taking the rap' for him here.

You are caught up in the whole thing, no getting out of that. You made some bold statements that have come back to bite you. It happens.

Having said that, I think a great way for vendors to clear their name would be to be open about what Kevin paid you for and what you delivered back to him.

#11239 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

People need to stop bearing that horse.


Those machines will always be a black mark for whomever owns them, and I'm not personally ever going to let up on that unless all of the people that got screwed say that it's OK for a machine to be owned by someone else.

It's a real dick move to own one of the machines... What an insult to people who lost thousands.

It's not like these machines were production machines that were built and properly sold. These machines were gotten after all the shit went down, in secret.

Quoted from flynnibus:

you just want a cloud to follow them.

You are exactly right. I want a cloud to follow Kevin and these machines for the rest of their existence. We see it differently.

#11241 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

While I generally agree with this, I would make an exception for the machines if they appeared at the PHOF (or similar location)...that would not bother me.

I could get behind that as long as the people who got screwed were cool with it. I'd never play it personally. Too much "blood" in the history.

#11274 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

But what you are saying is not about pursuing those items to be destroyed under ip violations.
You may want that.... But it's never going to happen. The games and parts that are out in the wild will always be unless someone buys them up and destroys the items themselves.
They won't ever be 'seized' or rounded up by the police.
You are talking about shaming people - not legal repercussions
And even if you want a cloud following him... You need to be smart in the order of which things happen. Unless you like working against yourself

You are quickly becoming king of the obvious.

Yes to everything you said.

#11296 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Well then not sure why you replied to my post with a straight "nope". When commenting on the dead horse after taxman again brought up 'confiscation' of the games/parts.

Because I'm not going to stop beating the horse about the existing games or Kevin, that's why. My position really isn't this hard to understand man.

#11325 4 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

There are only two Kevin made predators.

How many Predators are in existence that aren't "Kevin made"?

#11444 3 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

think i'm going to do a Kickstarter for a "douche detector". who's in with me?

Make sure you put a silent/mute button on it, because it's not going to stop going off.

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#11638 3 years ago

Yeah, I don't think anyone should hate on Keith for getting paid for doing this. Obviously I'm not one of the people out money, so I can't speak for them, but I think there is very little money to be had anyway when you spread it among all the people owed money. The best use of it is probably to make Kevin's life hell.

#11682 3 years ago
Quoted from DanQverymuch:

What, the innocent kids don't matter? He didn't bring it on himself? He was a Bernie Madoff, screwing thousands of investors out of their entire retirement funds? I should hope worse things happen than losing toy money? It wasn't a huge risk to give hat boy tens of thousands? They didn't hope to make a killing? One should risk more than they can afford to lose? Pinball is an investment vehicle?
See, none of it can be legitimately disagreed with. Y'all are misusing the thumbs down. It's not for expressing hurt feelings.

You think that's why people gave you thumbs down? Because they can't come up with counter points? Maybe because there are no counter points to your weird point of view about it?

The innocent kids don't matter to the case at hand. This is between Kevin and the people he stole money from.

What do you want me to say? Yes, I want Kevin to have a tough go at it, his wife included. She knowingly took part in the fraud (i.e. titling the house in just her name, per his own admission)

Are their kids going to suffer because of what he did? Yes.

Is that my problem? No.

Is it ideal? Shit no. Ideal would have been Kevin not stealing people's money.

Sorry if that is callous or insensitive, but it's the way I feel about it.

Is that enough legitimate disagreement for you?

My argument should be that the kids will be better off without Kevin around. He is a bad role model.

#11699 3 years ago

She accidentally misspelled "lame".

Maybe he should have stolen some of the money to get her photography lessons.

#11714 3 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

I think the story about him walking into the ramp maker's meeting in his jeans sums up his business sense.

Not defending Kevin, but dressing a certain way for business is old school.

I know several big time CTOs that wear shorts and sandals to work. Some of us do it to intentionally be underestimated, taking advantage of that whole "wear suits to be a businessman" mentality.

That said, I doubt that was Kevin's motivation, he is too dumb to have a plan more then 6 inches in front of his face.

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#11795 3 years ago

This is item 18.

Looks like Keith was granted what he wanted.

CM ECF LIVE DATABASE (resized).png

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#11807 3 years ago

I'll post items #22 and #23 later tonight, depending on content.

#11811 3 years ago

Item #22 seems to pertain to the money Kevin used toward the purchase of the house in his wife's name.

Here is an excerpt from the document, and the check in question. Below the images I have hotlinked the 18 page PDF from a drive location so you can view it in it's entirety if you want.

Can someone who is a lawyer read the document and give us a better synopsis than I can? IANAL. ( just love typing that every chance I get)



#11813 3 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

IANAL either. Heck, I didn't even stay at a Holiday Inn Express. But I like that the first thing on the document says "COUNT I". To me it seem like a criminal identification.

There is a Count II in that 18 page document as well.

#11816 3 years ago

I finally got the time to read the document a little better.

Here is an interesting part:


To my untrained eye, they've requested a judgement about the house Kevin spent Predator money on. They are requesting either the house be taken and sold to recover funds, or that a judgement equal to that value be rendered against Kevin's wife.

I'm probably not phrasing that 100% correctly, but again... IANAL.

So, based on Kevin's own testimony that he did in fact move the money around and put the house in his wife's name to avoid the creditors, I am guessing they are going to be moving out soon?


#11844 3 years ago

The information I have says that Kevin paid $113,785.42 to VirtuaPin, which supposedly included 270 sets of powder coated legs that Kevin claimed were never delivered.

#11847 3 years ago
Quoted from NoahFentz:

Not sure where you got that figure, but it's incorrect.

Not telling anyone where I get these kinds of things.

I have the supposed check numbers and check dates as well. I also have an invoice for the powder coated parts (#03112014).

I'm not claiming to know which is true, but if there were paid for parts that were never delivered, I would think the owners would want some of that back.

Quoted from NoahFentz:

I'm trying to help

That's the same thing I'm doing.

#11851 3 years ago

I'm still not exposing the source. I will say it was originally supplied by Kevin himself. Like I said, it's entirely possible it's not true. He has a history of lying.

The data is a PDF file of the VirtuaPin invoice for 270 sets of powdercoated stuff, and a list of check dates and amounts.

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#11948 3 years ago
Quoted from dotEXE:

I literally said "if Investment < Return, then Invest". This is like Algebra 1. And you're raising pitchforks against basic math.

Your over-simplified math explanation doesn't factor in anything other than the actual dollar value. Your equation is wrong.

#11969 3 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

If you're going to bring up your academic credentials, perhaps you should elaborate a little, using "basic math", on how Jack could have made a $40 million profit on WOZ alone? If you can do that, then people here might be a little more receptive to your economic input.

And he said profit too, not revenue.

So, this "Ph.D. in progress" claims that JJP made $4,000 net per machine on 10,000 WoZ machines, or some variant of that math. Now that's funny.

#11971 3 years ago