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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion

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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (2 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (2 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (2 years ago)

Post #12872 Enaud's account of contacting fox regarding skit-b Posted by Enaud (2 years ago)

Post #13034 Description of an adversary proceeding (or AP) Posted by jasonp (2 years ago)

Post #13477 Discharge of debt denied by order Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13483 Stipulations for waiving chapter 7 discharge Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13528 Audio recording from Jan 27 court hearing regarding bankruptcy filing Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #13729 Summary of legal bankruptcy terminology Posted by Razorbak86 (2 years ago)

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#3 4 years ago

#6 4 years ago

What press conference? link?

#16 4 years ago
Quoted from jms121:

A Predator 4 movie?,that sounds cool,when is that supposed to be released?

2015 my guess. May have to do with why Skit-b Pred disappeared all of a sudden from everywhere.

#135 4 years ago
Quoted from MarcG:

Two weeks of asking to be refunded and nothing. I think the guy calling Predator a scam may have been on to something. My bad for trusting these guys.

Same thing. I asked for refund too about two weeks ago and nothing.

Maybe we should start another thread with who requested refund and got nothing? Or put "scam" in the title. That seemed to get the other guy refund pretty quick

#137 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

When you requested a refund did you request it through support or kevin or both?


#139 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

Did you get a response at all? Or did they just go unanswered?

I got a response about two weeks ago from support.

"Hello Victor,
We will begin the refund process immediately. Please allow a few days as
this process does take some time.
Thank you,
Skit-B Support"

Since then, nothing. I sent another email last week asking them (both Support and Kevin), how much longer going to be a few days. Didn't get any response so far.

#143 4 years ago

I understand that will take time and is not instant. But, the answer from support came 2-3days after I asked. And if they say a few days, and not a few weeks or a few months, then is a few days. They know what they are talking about, right? I mean I hope they do. And I think I'm past a few days here.

#145 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

I don't disagree with you, just throwing it out there what's more than likely going on. Have you signed into paypal and checked? Or did you send a check?

PayPal. Full payment. And yes I checked.

#149 4 years ago
Quoted from badbilly27:

I would expect a longer wait on the refund front. My assumption is they spent most if not all of the money on parts to assemble the games per SkitB email. There is likely no money to facilitate a refund at this time. Once they start shipping and request final payment then you'll likely get a refund - but you're looking a few months out (only my guess).
I wonder if there still is a waiting list. And if there is, I don't think Skit B wants to mess around with collecting money, refunding money, writing checks for more parts they missed, and hoping they keep all checks & balances in order. It's all a big distraction for a small shop. Thus, part of why I think they are going a little dark. Kick out a few games to first 10 owners and then everyone will get the "exclusive 250 & Predator" fever again. Bet on people who asked for a refund will opt now to stay in instead of admin processing nightmare. Educated guess on my part - no facts.
Not saying this is right since they stated a return policy that should allow for your money back now. I'm just guessing reality is setting in and different than they expected.

Again.. if "support@skitbpinball.com" says a few days... I expect to be a few days.

If there is no money for a refund in a few days, someone is hiding something. And trying to lie about it. And I don't want to go there with my assumptions yet.

#153 4 years ago

Same. lol.. just like magic! Got the full refund too. I hope one day to find a Pred in the wild

#156 4 years ago


I'm one of those, if you tell me 5 days, I wont bother you 5 days but I expect to be done in 5. Or if is 5 months, I wont bother you 5 months...

And yes, all my emails included name/prod#/game#.

#161 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

Oh ok, yeah definitely if they give you a time frame wait till after. Im glad you got your money, what number were you? Also MarcG what number was yours?

I was prod #56 back in September

#172 4 years ago
Quoted from Dalbok:

For what it's worth, I was paid in full at the end of last year (initial $250, plus remaining $4500 in one lump sum, all through PayPal). I decided to back out (for personal reasons) back in late Spring. I got an email back (from Kevin) the next day stating that I'd see a refund in a matter of days. There were some additional communications over the course of the next month and a half. Everything remained cordial and I ended up getting my refund (through PayPal), but 42 days later.
I mention all of this, because what Kevin ended up explaining to me was that they had a "special" agreement setup with PayPal in using their services. This allowed them to refund the full amount (even though it was beyond the 60 day PayPal policy). But because of this they had to go through a separate (and seemingly more time consuming process) to refund the money. I ended up receiving two separate refunds from PayPal (one for each transaction, $250 and $4500). The nice thing was that I was refunded the complete amount where as I thought the processing fees would have been lost. In the end, I received my refund and I was happier because I didn't lose the $ for the PayPal processing fees.
Just thought I'd pass along that info to possibly relieve some angst from other seeking to get their refund. It may be taking a little extra time to process the refunds due to the "special" process they have to follow, but the good news is you should get back the full amount regardless of the PayPal 60 day return policy.
I guess that's just an extra step he's taken to look out for his customers (even the ones that back out).

My refund came exactly like yours. one $4500 and one $250. And I'm happy about that. It's exactly like Kevin said when I got on board of this project. 100% refundable.

I did not know about the way and time it takes for them to issue the PayPal refund. So I went by what "Support@skitbpinball" was telling me.

This again proves that a little communication, would have saved a lot of headaches. For many, not just me.

#183 4 years ago
Quoted from Russo121:

To those who paid via paypal, can you not simply chargeback the money?

I think there is a limit of 60days on that. Or 90days. Not sure. Past that you cannot.

3 weeks later
#419 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

Kevin said the license was fine.

that was loooooooooooong time ago... this may be changed by now. Some licensing are time limited.

Dunno why so hard to SkitB to hop on Pinside, post some answers like they did before, and calm down everyone. Unless there's something wrong?

Look at your emails received from SkitB. Doesn't say "Predator" anywhere. It's "your game" or "project". I still have them all.

Don't like Pinside, post it on your twitter, on your fb, something... anything. Not having time is not an excuse when you get the time to do exactly the opposite and remove any mentioning of "Predator" from everywhere.

2 months later
#1227 4 years ago

At this point just filter out "Whysnow" hehehe

#1484 4 years ago

Here we go again


#1761 4 years ago

I think is time for another hitler vid

1 week later
#2373 4 years ago
Quoted from PinFever:

Has this game pissed off more pinballers than any other game ?

What game?

#3281 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:


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Thank you Ted

#3355 4 years ago

I don't know how come no one got in the car and drive to his house yet and ask a few questions yet?(politely, non violent). Is he really that far away from everybody?

I think this should have been done before going all nuts with police and fbi... wtf

#3408 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I'm digging through the garbage cans on the side of their garage right now.

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lmao.. anything "epic"?

#3632 4 years ago

I really think Kevin, DID want to build 250 Predators, and not screw around with 250 people heads.

He did just not knew how to manage this whole thing, what is involved on building these to be able to sell them all over the world.

IMO, if he would have asked for help (dunno if he did or not) managing this (license, certifications, etc..), he could have found a couple of guys/girls that could help him to get this done. Just look how many people in here know about stuff that went wrong! Same guys could have helped him to make it work.

ATM seems that the license is not there... so no machines will be built no matter what. He could have all the parts in the world already done( cabs, playfields, mechs, plastics, etc), but if there is no license for Predator and if he build and sell them he will go to jail. Simple as that.

I think people that know people that know about this licensing should get in touch with Kevin and try to secure this, or that it. Everyone loose. No one will see all their $$$ back. There is no way he can give all back. Some were spent already. Worst case for Kevin, he would go to jail and you still wont see the money back.

So get in touch with Kevin and help him secure that license to build Predators, if you want to see your investment back.

#4073 4 years ago
Quoted from YKpinballer:

OHHH you are talking about the wrong Aaron, that's why you're confused. Aaron from FAST Pinball is the one who gave us the information. Not former partner Aaron.

I thought they are the same Aaron

#5703 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

...a few tee shirts?

for the record I paid in full and didn't get any of the extra stuff... not that it matters anymore...

#5741 4 years ago
Quoted from BoozeMarlin:

Wonder how Kev will split these up amongst all his Predator victims?

I hope he sells them all to recoup money invested in those.

#5816 4 years ago

ok.. the follow up letter is just silly ... wtf

#6149 4 years ago
2 weeks later
#7340 4 years ago

LOL.. who cares about Upvoting or Downvoting? Did Skit-B started those swiftly refunds?

1 month later
#8966 4 years ago
Quoted from Perspex:

Also interesting, the exchange rate is an older rate ala June '14. Makes sense, I was wondering how that would work.

It's the exchange rate you had when you paid. Not todays rate. Goes back directly to your CC. (well Paypal then your CC).

At least that is how it was for me when I got the refund(not now... some time ago...)

#8973 4 years ago

holly shit batman.. lol.. some please delete some of these

1 year later
#10878 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

You dont have a clue what you are talking about, ...

LOL .. this coming from you.... ahahaha

3 weeks later
#11419 3 years ago
Quoted from multibrawlr:

Thanks Hilton.

Thanks. Probably should've waited a while before posting.

Thank you.
Oh, so he WAS making duplicate accounts. Alright. Just wanted to make sure.
The reason why I asked was because, just recently, I had an exchange with Tim on Facebook. A friend who I will not name -- in respect of his privacy -- had a picture of a Predator machine on his account from Feburary. I asked if it was his, and -- if it was -- why he had it when he could potentially get in trouble with Fox (or at least face the wrath of pre-orders, though I forgot to add that in my initial response).
My friend went on there and said it wasn't his, but he believed it to be a preproduction model running on a Windows? Then someone on there accused Tim Fife, who then appeared and went on to explain his stance regarding owning the game. He wasn't that combative or mean, I don't believe, but he was very vocal about his point and wasn't to be convinced otherwise.
I did take a bunch of screenshots, though I have yet to file through them and cross out certain names. But I do have them, and I was just wondering if everyone was cool with me posting the exchange? If not-- it's ok. Just don't want to get in trouble or add more fuel to the fire but I wanted to contribute, and I didn't know if any or all of the pre-orders knew this exchange was going on...

IMO don't get involved in this if you did not lose money with Skit-b.
Also watch out for Whysnow ...

5 months later
#12229 2 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Does his wife still have a job? Wasn't she in photography or something?

lol I read "pornography" ... I was like wtf? Ahahaha

1 week later
#12433 2 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

How many people kept their money invested in Skit-B based on Whysnow's overbearing declarations of confidence in Skit-B, while slamming any and all posters who questioned the viability of Skit-B and whether there was a license, or whether the pin would ever be delivered?

THIS ... fuckin nailed it man!

#12434 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

If someone wants to piece together some of the people involved behind the scenes, it is pretty easy to see by going through the history of who originally ordered Predator and yet does not show up on the published list of people owed money in the bankruptcy.
Not surprising, some of those people have largely disappeared from the forum post the implosion. Others are amazingly still hanging around and think they are clean I presume.

Watch your mouth pretty boy. Easy with the accusations

1 week later
#12767 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Amazed that some of you are taking it from him on faith

Yeah... same way we took you before all this Predator crap blew over ...

1 month later
#14061 2 years ago
Quoted from cosmokramer:

da fuck happened to this thread...

Yada Yada Yada happened ... lol

3 weeks later
#14394 2 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

All I know is I did not.

Same.. t-shirt, poster and I don't remember what... didn't get any

1 month later
#15323 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Thank goodness they don't peek inside your tank to see the dye indicating road tax wasn't paid on that fuel.

ahahahaha .. was thinking the same when I read that

7 months later
#17767 1 year ago

So beside the 2-3 pages of soda/pop garbage, what is going on with the proceedings against Kevin and the rest?

1 month later
#17827 1 year ago

http://www.skitbpinball.com/ just became active again

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