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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion

By Xerico

9 years ago


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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (7 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (7 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (7 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (7 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (7 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (7 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (7 years ago)


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#2776 9 years ago

If Kevin didn't have a license to begin with then I would agree with Aurich, it would likely cost 50k. That being said, He's now out of pocket for roughly 10 fully built games (10X4750). Where's he going to recoupe the money to make up for the loss? From a year ago, how much has been spent with materials, design, programming, prototyping, props (Matt @ backalley) etc? Subtract that and now i would assume he's in the red and would never be able to fulfill the 250 games he quoted to build. Provided he sends back refunds, he will still be in the red.

I also keep thinking if the license was never truly locked from the time he started the design process, then the artwork will likely have to be completely rehauled and signed off again. I always questioned and I think I mentioned this to Kevin in a seperate email that "Predator" needed to be kerned properly. See the images below...and you'll see the odd spacing between the 'A' & 'T'. I thought to myself how could they approve the artwork and not see that that the logo, it's brand was not visually correct? Odd, weird...do not know, but I can't imagine how Fox would miss the most obvious detail of all of the artwork that would have needed to be approved.

I'm a pre owner, all money in... Been a fan from day one, patient, a believer...but honestly, I'm not sure how this game will be built unless he lifts the limited 250 build out to unlimited. Able to get a loan to make up the loss $'s for the acquired license and related costs during the build out before and after the new acquired license agreement. Just not sure how he's going to pull it off. image.jpgimage.jpg
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#2778 9 years ago

Aurich, great suggestion and I would be ok personally with taking a 10-15% loss to get some preorder money back. I think there is a lot of great thinkers here and would like to hear some good ideas. Another thread on this topic should be started.

At this point as you mentioned, telling the truth and accepting the party has ended would be a step forward. Obviously it would piss off many pre-owners but at least we can get movement and begin a settlement on refunding everyone's money.

#3524 9 years ago

This is a 'game over' scenario. At this point I just want to see others and myself see Kevin update us on how he will paying everyone back. I don't even want to read a lengthy apology. He has our emails, just start PP the money back. I want this to be over and done with.

#4519 9 years ago

Calling my credit card company tomorrow. Anyone know if paid by PayPal, which source is best to contact (PayPal, CC company or both)? I made my final payment in full back in June 2014. Not sure if I'm going to be shit out of luck, but definitely worth a try... Seems like there's enough proof where this went wrong with this 90 page thread.

I'm so frustrated for being had, I'm beside myself!

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