Quoted from Pinhead1982:
I got nothing
Hopefully we don't hear these words more often.
I really hope that everyone involved will get positive information soon and that, The Game That Must Not Be Named gets released as promised.
Quoted from chessiv:
On a real discussion point, who would be willing to accept the same machine without the license? I'm thinking that's where this will end up.
If this happens then I can see aftermarket stickers being distributed by someone in the comunity to add a Preditor feel back into the game.
Made in China.
I thought homepin was setting up a factory in China. That's the only place that you'll build this for 5k. Would buyers be upset if their game was made in China?
Now let's hope the licence works out.
Would buyers be ok with a $4750 game that was made in China?
I believe that's the only place where this could happen. I think that stern or JJP would want to much production money to build the game because wages are a lot more in USA then China. Could homepin be the only option to build this? Could homepin build this after thunderbirds, for a cost that won't require more capital injected into the project?
Whysnow, you think it could be built for $4750, whom would build it for that price, if it's not being assembled in Kevin's basement?
Quoted from mcluvin:
Shi*! This has the makings of a pinball documentary mini-series or a Jack Black comedy.
I've chatted with coworkers whom have no interest in pinball, about this thread, and their compelled by the story. This is years in the making and has enough drama to fill a documentary and enough pathos to make Jack black cry.
Where's the guy eating popcorn gif?
What about the toys that are not fox's IP? Whos the guy that made the skulls and spines? Could he make more? Could we all buy a skull and have the profits go toward the pre-owner group?
I'd buy a piece or two if it could help these guys recoup some of their funds? It would be a great piece of pinball history for the game room. Definitely something to talk about.
I'm just brainstorming ideas that might help...
I just caught up on the last 72hrs. Man. I read to slow and work to much to keep up to speed on this thread.
So.. What's a reasonable definition of the word reasonable...
I hope money returns to people soon. Keep up the good fight
Quoted from robertmee:
No Ill wishes towards pinchili but he's in possession of a game that was built illegally with stolen intellectual property. ....... It's a grey area for sure and I wouldn't want to be in possession of it.
If it truly is a prototype machine and the first one built then it might fall under that "fan art" clause. If...and thats a big if. If This machine was originally given away (through raffle or what not) then it could be argued it was never sold as profit to begin with.
Not trying to stir the pot, just trying to put an objective perspective on it from an outside viewer.
Quoted from Methos:
Disagree 100%. It's morally unethical to own this machine, unless the funds were divided out among the victims. He's showing total disrespect to all those who are owed money.
Morally unethical doesn't nessisarally mean that wrong doings have taken place in the eye of the law.
Quoted from investingdad:
It's not clear to me if he
1) ignorantly assumed he was ok on the IP at the start and was taking money in good faith, later realizing he had a problem and forged ahead anyway, still taking money.
2) The above, but no new money taken when he realized there was a problem on IP usage
3) had a suspicion from the start he should not have been using the IP but tried it anyway and took money regardless
I believe first it was #3. He thought the could get away without a license. But then "looked" into it and realized he needed one, but thought if there was no profit then he'd fall under common use for fan work.
Then it was #1. He assumed he was ok with the license, so he took money.
Quoted from investingdad:
..at what point in the accepting money phase did this become fraud?
Once he received a letter from the license holder to stop making the machines and continued to take more money (the bulk of the funds) it became fraud. It wasn't until much later that the community found out that the project was dead and a scam.
So, when is someone going to call the cops on him?
"I'd like to have an officer go over to his house and do a wellness check-in, Kevin hasn't replied to me in a long while and I feel that he might be suicidal because of his recent bankruptcy, it's just so close to Christmas and I hope that he's well."
Problem solved. An officer would have to knock on his door and speak to him.
Quoted from PoMC:
What person or persons snitched on Kevin with regards to him not having the license? Was that ever determined?
If I found out whom discovered the problem with Kevin's venture and notified the authorities about it, then I'd shake their hand. If you ever find a wrong doer in your community bringing harm to another member of your community, than you should confront them and make it stop if you can. (Isn't that part of your civic duty?) to know that someone is in the wrong, and to not do something about it while your the one with the power to make that change is equally wrong. It's called the moral code.
In my humble opinion
I'm glad to see some progress on this finally. Best of luck guys.
Here's one that I'd like to see Kevin try out in front of the judge.
I'm not a lawyer, but if Kevin defrauded the money from other people and is ordered to repay the stolen money, then how would that be noted as income for the IRS to seize? If Kevin didn't commit fraud and kept the cash then it would become income from a failed business and taxed.
The court hasn't decided if this money is theft or income yet. But we know that a bankruptcy won't make it go away.
I like that she wants to write down her response for the court. When it's written in black and white it will be harder to back pedal on lies and weasel her way out of things. If the response is verbal then she could try using the old "I know I said that, but I meant this" with her answers. Having it written down and giving her time removes any duress from her response and makes it more solid.
....and since she's their (shit-b's) legal team, I can't wait to see how masterfully her response is crafted.
Everything happens for a reason, sometimes the reason is that you're an idiot that makes poor decisions
I thought the house judgment was to be resolved by July 19th, although I could be wrong. It's posted on here somewhere
Quoted from Bribo13:
The only ones that will ever see a penny from this suit are the LAWYERS !!!
(I have no skin in this game)
I think that's the point of the lawsuit. Make sure that Kevin and Co. don't get to keep a cent of the money that has been ripped off. The money is lost from preorder customers,(I think everyone gets that) but it needs to be found and the lawyers are doing the dirty work finding where it all went. They should be compensated for their work. It's better in the hands of the lawyers then in the hands of Kevin and his accomplices.
Anyone that has ANYTHING related to this project should come clean and contact the lawyers. The pinball community is fairly small. Eventually everything will come to light and those that are found screwing their fellow pinhead will be ostracized just like Kevin has been.
Quoted from Whysnow:
SkitB, yup I Fed up. I believed lies and regurgitated them. I have appologized and continue to take ownership of those faults. i have also been a person behind the scenes to gather lots of info and do lots of legwork to make sure those that were taken advantage of have the best shot at recovering funds that are available.
Quoted from Whysnow:
I have no problem throwing good money after bad as a matter of principle. I don't plan for or expect to have any money ever come back to me, but then again the trustee has already recovered some funds so for those willing to take the time and secure your debt are likely getting something back . That already is a huge win in my book!
I gotta respect someone that admits their faults, then puts in the effort to make sure that the problem is fixed to the best of their ability. I don’t have skin in the game. (I would have been pissed at you for all your support of this project in the beginning, but since the truth has came out, you’ve shown your determination in setting things right.) keep fighting.
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