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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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4 years ago



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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (2 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (2 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (2 years ago)

Post #12872 Enaud's account of contacting fox regarding skit-b Posted by Enaud (2 years ago)

Post #13034 Description of an adversary proceeding (or AP) Posted by jasonp (2 years ago)

Post #13477 Discharge of debt denied by order Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13483 Stipulations for waiving chapter 7 discharge Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13528 Audio recording from Jan 27 court hearing regarding bankruptcy filing Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #13729 Summary of legal bankruptcy terminology Posted by Razorbak86 (2 years ago)


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#477 4 years ago
Quoted from NoahFentz:

Hi Guys!
I just wanted to drop in and say that I would not be building cabinets and printing and applying decals for a project that's not fully licensed!
Anyone that knows me knows I won't even consider touching unlicensed projects!
Speculation can now rest.
Pre-owners can certainly look forward to receiving their PREDATORS.
Thank you.

Thanks for posting and especially for saying the P word!

2 months later
#776 4 years ago
Quoted from kvan99:

Exactly, nothing new here, just a bunch of guesses...bad guesses to boot. 2.5 yrs to build the games. Lol. Who has build number 250? Come out we need you...

Last I heard I was number 244. Got in about 6 months ago.

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#1082 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

I sent him an email on the 13th requesting a refund and he responded on the 14th saying he would try and process it but these things take time. It's funny how paying the money to them is immediately processed yet getting a refund is a long drawn out process.

I sent an email on the 11th requesting a refund and I got a similar response on the 14th. Still waiting on my refund as well.

#1454 4 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

I don't know how it has worked in the past but it sounds like refunds are not being readily granted now (unless things have changed in the last few weeks):
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/17#post-2243241
So no need to rub salt in people's wounds.

I have not been refunded yet, going on three weeks now since my request. I have sent another request this morning. I got on the list seven months ago, so maybe I have a chance at doing a charge back, I'm not certain at this point. I really wanted to give Kevin every opportunity before doing anything rash though.

#1472 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Thanks. When everything is explained, it will be crystal clear why the lack if information and pix.

Just when everything is at it's bleakest, here comes some glimmer of positivity. The roller coaster continues...

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#3274 4 years ago

I know a lot of people are throwing their hands up and just admitting defeat saying the money is gone. But you should at the very least contact your credit card company (if you paid that way through paypal - and you should have).

For anyone thinking of doing a chargeback the rules are generally listed as six months, however there are exceptions and extensions that can be tacked on. One extension being for pre-order products that are being hand assembled. And this most certainly falls into that category. For guys that have the money to blow, great, wait it out and see if you get that last minute hail mary. But for others who are on a tighter budget, do not wait any longer, at least make that call and see what recourse you have.

Paypal is a dead end as they will do absolutely nothing after 180 days unless they hear from your credit card company.

#3279 4 years ago
Quoted from Perspex:

Didn't realize there were chargeback extensions...something to look into then.
Thanks for the info.

This is info I was given by one of the big banks. I'm sure each bank has their own set of rules. But everyone concerned should at least make that call for their own peace of mind. And be persistent, ask for a higher up if need be.

#4937 4 years ago

Does anyone have first hand knowledge (FACTS) about how the credit card chargeback process will work through Paypal? Maybe you know someone who works for one of the major banks that could shed more light on the subject.

I would think, best case, the money is held in the Paypal account and Paypal will side with the CC company/buyer. Worst case, Kevin has withdrawn all the money and spent it or moved it to an isolated account. Not sure what happens then. Would the CC deny the claim? Or do they allow the claim since it is legitimate, and have their own team of lawyers who will go after Kevin and his assets.

#4951 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

If you went through a credit card, the credit card company can override PayPal.

Yes, but what will the credit card company do if the money is gone? Deny the claim of the buyer, or allow the claim and go after the seller through legal means?

#4955 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Oh, ok. I thought someone said the funds were still in PayPal...

Aurich said they should be based on past experience. But I am not holding this as an absolute. With the amount of fraud already committed, anything is possible at this point.

#5085 4 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Hope to soon see people unboxing their refunds...

Wouldn't that be nice... But I don't see how it's gonna happen even IF Kevin wanted to send out refunds. At this point he's got pending credit card chargebacks, Paypal investigations, not to mention the criminal side of things with Fox, etc. that are all tangled up into a big mess. Who knows how long it will take to unwind it all. And I doubt it's all gonna get sorted out in a basement.

#5608 4 years ago
Quoted from robertmee:

Pinside doesn't owe members anything. Robin could shut it down today, and frankly, I wouldn't blame him based on some of the comments made in this thread against moderators.

You wouldn't blame him for shutting down the primary pinball site on the internet for a couple of comments made at moderators in a thread? I would sure as hell hope he has a stronger will then that. And I have no doubt that he does, otherwise I wouldn't waste my time here.

#5628 4 years ago
Quoted from nintendo:

I called the guy back and told him it didn't work when he said it would. He said he can't refund me.
I called Visa and got my money back.

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#6100 4 years ago

Does anyone in here have an opinion on which agency is the best to file a criminal complaint for internet fraud with, IC3 or the FTC or both? While I have already filed a chargeback, I have no idea if it will A. Damage my paypal account B. Damage my credit in any way. C. be denied altogether. Also, I'm pissed for the guys who payed through bank accounts, etc. and have their money locked up with Kevin. This man committed a fraud worth close to a million dollars, and the silence is unacceptable.

#6110 4 years ago
Quoted from ccotenj:

i'd pursue every avenue available....
no to a and b... a chargeback for non delivery of goods will not effect you...

I seem to remember at least one person on here saying that paypal closed their account after a chargeback, due to not following paypal rules for submitting a claim within 180 days. Though they didn't give any further specifics on why they filed the chargeback to begin with. And maybe the claim was not as black and white as this one.

#6111 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I just got off the phone with Paypal and the lady told me that the SkitB account has the funds to apparently refund all people and transactions. She seemed to think it was going to take a little bit?
she asked me for 'patience'.
Just wanted to relay what I was told from paypal.

This would be really great news if true. As they are probably best equipped to deal with this whole mess including all the forms of payment, chargebacks, etc.

#6117 4 years ago
Quoted from Kcpinballfan:

Did paypal really tell you this? They are really not supposed to give out details of another persons account to you. I was told that Kevin has indeed been talking to them but they wouldn't give me any details. So I took that as meaning he is absolutely trying to issue refunds.

Maybe once they confirm a fraudulent account, they are allowed to release some vague info to those other account holders who were impacted? Or maybe someone new didn't know what they were doing? Hoping for the best either way.

#6122 4 years ago
Quoted from jellikit:

Did she say you would get a bi-weekly update?
Brad

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#6123 4 years ago

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#8402 4 years ago

I just checked my paypal account also and it says:

Step 7 - Case closed
The chargeback case is closed because there is insufficient evidence to dispute the chargeback.

Transaction date was: 08/16/14, chargeback date: 03/11/15.

I originally filed a case with paypal which denied it immediately, and then went to my credit card. Now just hope to see this bum in jail and I will be satisfied.

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