So where are we on the panic scale? Calm, cool, agitated, concerned, terrified or scared stiff !!!
So where are we on the panic scale? Calm, cool, agitated, concerned, terrified or scared stiff !!!
It would clear up a lot of smoke and misdirection if there were a few CURRENT pics (in-focus) showing progress, right? Last pic, was a month ago and quite generic, so if they are under way, there should be a room with a half dozen games in various stages of completeness. That should take 3 minutes. Next an email explaining their bizarre absence from public communication. I'll allow an hour for this because I want to read something well thought out and articulate.
Quoted from kaneda:
So you remove all mentions of the game, go dark and that haters all start chest bumping. You even go quiet on preorder people becaus you know when the game hits they will still be in. Then boom you drop this thing on the haters like an Alabama Tick. Nuke them all. That's what I'd do.
Hope not...sounds like the worst business strategy they could have come up with. Strike this outcome from the list.
Reading this thread without keeping track of the players might lead one to believe it is pretty evenly split between those saying pin is coming versus major obstacle and no pin. I would bet the 250 buyers are probably 80% sure their machines will be delivered, as promised. Among the rest of us bystanders, I'd bet there was a 70% belief in the game being delivered generally as promised.
I am looking for answers too. Why..why...why...?????
Quoted from Astropin:
Where do I send money to get in on "Experts of Dangerous"? That way I will be allowed to complain publicly when I don't receive any information on the progress of my game.
It's never been a requirement to buy before criticizing. Go ahead and tell us what bugs you about Experts?
When this thread was started 17 pages ago, I would still get excited by any positive news or statement that production was right around the corner. I would second guess my decision to drop this preorder and get my downpayment returned. I actually felt badly for SB that I had decided to bail on them. But their lack of communication and refusal to update their customers on general issues was a primary factor. Also I didn't want the risk of not knowing what the final version looked like or whether they would be built & delivered.
It is fair to say that I am over this guilt and am much happier for it. Good luck to those that have hung tough and I wish all your dreams come true with Predator.
Well ... can we get a post here or at least another summary? For the love of all you hold dear spill it. I am addicted to this thread and need to know what there is to be known. I am just checking in to see what condition my condition is in.
Ted, good summary. Sounds like you have covered many bases and confirmed the license hasn't expired (which was going to piss me off if true). One major item not reported on is the status of refunds. Was there any mention or discussion of when people could expect to see a refund if requested?
WoW! C2C podcast was great and Nate really fills in the dots on a number of points.
Back to discussion of whether those still in on Predator failed to see the obvious signs... I'd say it would have been almost impossible to have known better then. People were seeing a nearly completed game that was being progressed and enhanced regularly. People were asked to send in money so parts could be ordered in bulk and were promised production would soon start. There had not been any shenanigans to date and so naturally this sounded legit. Kevin confirmed the license was not an issue and he had been an upstanding member of pinball community-and one with a dream. So how could anyone have known differently?
Although the request and payment of the first half was technically a prepayment, it was almost like loaning Kevin funds to keep things flowing. How things had managed to avoid implodiing before then is something that I find fascinating, looking backwards. Guess we'll find out the scoop.one week from now. Something tells me the announcement will not be forthcoming on time and that people should prepare themselves for a longer wait.
Quoted from jellikit:
I will help get this thread back on track, here is a June 20th snapshot of the Skit-B Pinball website:
links no longer work, but at least this keeps the wound open until we can get a bigtime reveal or announcement (one that cannot possibly meet the frenzy and level of hype that is beginning to swarm).
Quoted from spfxted:
OK...HERE WE GO!
I JUST got finished speaking with Kevin. I asked ALL the hard questions. Here is a quick summery:
YES, he is busy.
YES, the license is fine. He is working on getting into a better situation so EVERYTHING can be shown and talked about.
YES, machines are being built as we speak.
YES, jackwads are calling FOX.
YES, there will be a MAJOR announcement within the next 2 weeks with everything you want to know.
Everything is moving forward.
We should hear something by tomorrow night per Ted's post on page 30 of this thread.
My favorite line in the emails ...
Quoted from Razorbak86:
...To the few of you who have asked for a refund, it is surely coming.
It is surely coming wtf ?? Is it coming because of magic? Does someone else have to authorize it? Does it exist in full? Are you committing to sending it? Most people would like to hear ... I owe you one and will be issuing it soon. My sincerest apologies for leaving you hangin' but the money is safe and I have authorized its return to you ASAP. Everybody else awaiting delivery of your machines ... (insert dramatic announcement _____________________).
For those of you hoping to one day receive a Predator from SkitB - it is not going to happen. Sorry to inform you but if you chose to ignore the information that has seeped out this week, you are being delusional. No matter how badly you don't want to hear it, Predator pinball is doa.
With a lot of help from others, Kevin built a fantastic protoype pin and then he presold 250 of them. However, this entire journey was based on a lie about the license, which turns out is a fundamental issue & concern. He has broken the circle of trust and once that happens, it cannot be repaired. Once you are out of the circle, you are out, there is no coming back.
Even once he refunds money to those requesting it, why would the remaining people trust him to be able to build this pin for them? Kevin should seek legal advice and craft a letter to accompany his return of everybody's money. That's right every cent to every person. If he is short $100k, that should be divided by 250 people and all but $400 returned. This ensures everybody's exposure is the same, regardless of what the've paid in.
Kevin should seek legal advice on his non-profit status and potential back taxes; ip issues with Fox and how to ward off 250 potential fraud complaints for $400.
The only way a Predator pin could be made in the future is for someone to take control of the project. That involves getting a license, buying design and project off Kevin for $100k (so that he can return estimated portion of funds missing to cleanup the balance sheet). This new entity would need source code so as to develop and maintain software. There is no way to reorganize SkitB to accomplish this and Kevin needs to be out of the project - period!
Speechless reading revelations presented by anonymous group (sound of jaw hitting ground heard in background).
Mr X did a good service by outing the truth. It doesn't matter what the motives were. SkitB didn't have the license and repeatedly said they did. For this I will consider Mr X a friend. Don't know his identity, but as far as I am concerned his name is Robert Paulson.
Quoted from playboywillis:
I just received an email stating all moneys collected will be refunded in a few days
That is encouraging news but expect it to meet a lot of skepticism. His actions will speak louder than words but it does signal a move in the right direction. It does give a deadline - in a few days. It does give an amount - all monies. It implies that Kevin has decided the right thing to do going forward is to refund money and close down this project. I hope a similar email was sent to all people with money tied up in Predator at the same time. Did others receive something similar?
Quoted from jasonp:
Kevin must love reading this thread so he can weigh all of his options and what all affected people are saying and doing.
Never a good strategy to rely on free legal advice discerned on a public forum. That's what you hire an attorney for.
In addition to stating all refunds will be issued soon, Kevin also said you should see them this week. My week ends on Friday, printed calendars use Sat as cutoff, while electronic calendars use Sun. We'll have to see what Kevin considers the end of the week and how he defines soon.
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Perfect - thanks! Anybody notice the make / model of car she is in? Figure if any group might be able to answer that question it would be this one
When I read the Pinball News article last night, I was so furious that I decided it best to sleep on it. That rebuttal is lame, it doesn't answer a single question straight and is the worst apology ever. It leaves out all the crazy sh*t Kevin did and said. When the facts from this thread are overlaid with his story, it is sad to see how involved Kevin Kulek actually was in this whole fraud. Since at least Nov of 2011, he has been running a scam. There has been no acknowledgment of his role in this matter, although 100% of it is his fault. Instead he has taken no responsibility and it sickens me to know he is this delusional.
When Martin asked about the money ... Kevin needed to clarify for us - I was paid x dollars and have y dollars remaining. This can be verified by these screen shots of the account. I intend to refund money in the following manner [add extensive details]. The timetable for this began dd/mm/yy and should be complete dd/mm/yy. The best way for me ensure everyone is refunded their full money is (insight provided). I am doing everything in my power to make this happen. In fact, obstacles a & b prevented some of this from happening from when I said it would over two weeks ago and I apologize for that too. I intend to take actions c & d to remedy and these should fix the remaining issues by dd/mm/yy.
When I said refunds began, what I meant was that chargebacks had begun. Refunding is hard. But my intent is to distribute y dollars (in the following manner) and after fees, the shortfall is likely to be z. Never fear, I will be addressing that portion by implementing another set actions (list those actions here along with deadlines) and will be vigilant until all the money sent to me has been returned - every last cent. In the mean time, my contact info is (insert preferred phone, email, address, lawyer's info) and the best ways to reach me include ...
Nothing else matters right now except for returning the money. Then people might enjoy reading your side of the story. I don't want to hear any more bullsh8t coming from Kevin's direction. WHERE's the F%CKING MONEY, LEBOWSKI?
Enaud you are doing a heck of a job.
Found link to Predator shooting whitewood, and bones of the game look really good....drool. Of course this was in the honeymoon days. https://www.youtube.com/embed/zrKeDTF6i5Q?autoplay=1&rel=0 Now I really want one..
Quoted from T-800:
I didn't believe you - and learned something new today... I'm surprised that it isn't illegal to buy counterfeit goods seeing how the consumer is enabling an illegal activity...
"In the U.S., federal law protecting trademarks makes it illegal to knowingly traffic counterfeit goods, which includes the production, sale and transport of such goods. The U.S. Department of Justice, however, has stated that federal law doesn’t prohibit an individual from buying a counterfeit product for personal use, even if they do so knowingly.
The maximum penalty for first-time offenders trafficking in counterfeit goods is 10 years in prison and a $2 million fine. For second-time offenders, the penalty is 20 years and a $5 million fine. In addition, if a corporation traffics in counterfeit goods, it can be subject to a fine of $15 million."
So if two original buyers resold their games, are they trafficking in stolen goods? Both could be sued for $2 million and the $4M used to pay lawyers $2M, victims $1M & have $1M left to go after Kevin. Could be a win-win
Quoted from Enaud:
Didn't get squat. Won the trial case, but he's shafted me on the money. I attempted to garnish his bank account but he emptied it out first. Probably all been spent on crack and hookers.
I spoke with the court and they said this is typically the way these court cases go. You win, but still can't collect the money. They either spend it all or hide it.
Quoted from Enaud:
I went to court last May. Hey Kevin, if you're reading, interest is still accruing on the debt! I'll be going back to MI when it's convenient for me and I'll drag your ass back there again.
Oh, statute of limitations is 6 years, and can be renewed/extended.
Hopefully you can uncover some assets on your next trip to attach your judgement. Too bad location is Michigan and not Illinois. If it were near Chicago, you could have tried to get on Judge Mathis or Judge Judy. That would have been a good venue to resolve your small claims case and focus attention on Kevin Kulek - scammer / thief / scum / d-bag. Think of the drama, lies, intrigue, back peddling, empty promises ...
Quoted from Mike_J:
According to her FaceBook page she is hiring an "office girl."
Maybe someone here can make a recommendation or apply for the position.
We should send LadySlingshot. Wasn't she running the marketing campaign for JPOP already? You know, before kaneda embraced his true self, undergoing transgenderification.
Quoted from labnip:
I hear its difficult to get ahold of Kevin
I heard Kevin Kulec defrauded hundreds of people of thousands of dollars by selling them a NON-licensed Predator pinball machine that he promised to build them. I found out Kevin Kulec is a lying CONman and a great big douchebag. He has avoided returning any of the money that he obtained illegally with deception , and that he later promised to return to each consumer. Kevin Kulec doesn't sound like someone I'd care to do business, rather he should be wearing an orange jumpsuit and sitting in jail somewhere. Kevin Kulec should be forced to work each day he's in prison and to save up and repay the hundreds of thousands that he stole.
Once the IRS gets wind of Kevin Kulek's shenanigans, an audit will likely be triggered. They'll target his returns over the past three years showing no business gains. They expect to see receipts for everything. Once they suspect Kevin of acting fraudulently, the IRS will fine him, determine how much he owes had he been honest, then add late filing penalties and interest. Could be as high as $500k. When Kevin Kulek doesn't pay the IRS, they are in a good position to seize his house and the clothes off his back. That's not going to look good to creditors when Kevin applies for a credit card.
Well, it's back to the present and the mystery of where Kevin Kulek hid the money he stole, and then gave false statements under oath. Show me the money.
Quoted from volkdrive:
It actually says he went to Pinconning High School in Pinconning Michigan!!! .. it's a real location. WTF?
Kevin Kulek graduated from Pinconning High School with honors, or at least with the title -> Most likely to steal money using a fraudulent license and to cheat pinball fanatics of their dream theme while single-handedly rewriting the rules of ebay. Me thinks he is the hometown hero.
Could a bounty hunter be used to bring in Kevin? Don't know how that process works and wondered if they have access to a warrant database or something? We could start a Help Bring Kevin Kulek to Justice kickstarter to pay the hunter..
Great work Keith. Surprised you didn't ask for the (5) new laptops from Christmas morning 2016.
Great audio btw.
If Kevin produces a few personal tax returns, the judge will not allow him to claim he can't find the missing years. If Kevin produces one corporate tax return, the judge will not allow Kevin to claim he can't find the rest. He better have all requested bank statements on personal and joint accounts and business paypal accounts, or he will be called out. His business better be registered with the state. Anything short of all this will result in Kevin be held in contempt being sent to The Clink. With only these rudimentary documents, there should be plenty of rope for Kevin to hang himself. The trap jaws have been set and baited - the prey's name is Kevin and he's about to be served.
Heard Kevin is looking for a new legal defense team.
After heavy night of partying, I begin the following dream sequence...
Kevin shows up to court on Friday with a large satchel. Judge asks Kevin if he has brought the required documentation. Kevin responds," I have a spreadsheet printout and some cash". Judge responds - well, show me the money. Kevin dumps $1.2M in hundreds on the desktop and says," I found this in the bottom of my closet last night. Last time I was here, you asked me to cooperate, so I am here today to do just that your honor. See all I needed was to be treated with dignity and respect, since my kids can't stand me, my wife says I am a loser and Pinside has called me a thief, a pirate and a liar. The spreadsheet shows every deposit I have ever received and addresses and phone numbers of those I owe money. About $3000 is missing from the total - and that is from when I purchased slurpees to keep going. I intend to pay that amount back too, once I get a job. I am done playing games and am truly sorry to have wasted yours & everyone's time".
Sound of alarm is heard loudly and I awake confused about what just did or did not happen. You decide
Quoted from Whysnow:
best part is Kevin still does not know all the things that have been turned up in discovery.
If he shows up with fabricated books and more lies he is going to be caught with real evidence.
Should Kevin produce any documentation - it will be combed through and compared with all documents recovered to date. For instance - if someone paid Kevin $3,500 on x/x/15 and that document is in discovery, his bank statement better show a deposit on same day for same amount. Problem for anyone cooking the books is that they will inevitably miss many such transactions. They end up shooting themselves in the foot with their one good bullet. I expect very few requisite documents to be forthcoming, leaving many large gaps in the financial picture unexplained. Well, that combined with further stalling techniques and subterfuge. Kevin Kulek appears to be a great big pos (turd).
Great progress Legal Team ... but what to focus on for the next THREE WEEKS? Guess I'll have to play more pinball.
I'm curious what is significant about trying to continue to dismiss debts incurred after June 3rd 2016? Did Kevin Kulek purchase $1.2M in German bearer bonds after this date and is trying to scam somebody else?
Agree these recordings make for a fantastic podcast. Way cooler than just reading the filings after the fact.
Quoted from pinstyle:
Wow, so basically he is saying he took in no real amount of money on this project. There has got to be a way to prove he took in way more money than that. I watched this thing evolve from its beginning, I am most certain there were multiple people who paid in full, knowing the folks in this community.
Once the 2 checking accounts are subpoenaed, and possibly the PayPal account, it should show lots of deposits in and transfers out. At that point the question of accounting for expenses and filing of income taxes come into the spotlight.
Bankruptcy attorney will note 1M came in yet no income was claimed on tax returns. Kevin answers well there were all these expenses. Judge responds if you write off $1M in expenses you need documentation, otherwise expenses can't be claimed and you owe about $250k to IRS. Judge will be forced to lock KK up until he can repay $1M stolen, $250k takes owed, $20k court costs, $20k for attorney fees, $15k contempt penalties, keys to camper, keys to house, keys to truck, document reproduction fees etc.
Kevin's last words, KeithinMI has been a plague on my family, curse him and the horse he rode into town on. Judge adds his own blessing," May God have mercy on your soul".
Quoted from robertmee:
So if we summarize revelations in the hearing:
- kevin took in 500k but has no records of expenses
- kevin has no money but spent 4800 on copies of bank statements
- kevin admitted to buying 5 laptops for $80 each but it was an Internet sale and has no receipt
- kevin denies that he bought his mom an RV
- kevin admits he signed house over to his wife
- kevin denies running a route
- kevin probably sold or traded pinball games to Mike M but doesn't remember specifics
- kevin has predator inventory in a trailer at his wife's house
- kevin held a delivery job that was seasonal delivering weed around xmas
- kevin is good at computers
- kevin submitted paragraph 24 for his dangerous games pin but not the rest of the contract
- kevin likes pizza
- kevin has printouts of us miscreants who are making his life miserable
- kevins personal chauffeur is his mom
- kevin still owns a truck but doesn't drive it. I guess the weed bank provided a weed mobile
- Kevin has zero expenses...he lives off the land.
- Kevin doesn't remember how many bank accounts he had at wildfire credit union
I swear you cannot make this crap up
Good summary, pllus Kevin Kulek doesn't like to keep paper records. He didn't mention this specifically, but I have a hunch.
Quoted from Manic:
I would hate to presume his wife knew all the scam details but since she seems to be a proud pagan warrior I have to believe at some point she would ask "Kevin where is all this money coming from for the house and RV?" "You don't even have a job".
Surely she wouldn't want to be thought of as the clueless housewife right? She's a frickin' wiccan warrior.
My wife CONstantly wonders why I get so many boxes delivered and asks how I am paying for them. I even have a job, and she has received no formal wicca training! Yet the curiosity continues.
Quoted from MrBally:
To sum things up; dialect is different throughout the world.
...and it doesn't seem too much to expect / require of a person to list their location when posting. List the next town over if you are worried about privacy. If I was Clark Kent (or FORCEFLOW in disguise), I probably wouldn't list my home as Smallville either. But people, give us some scraps to work with at least, please! #HomeTownsMatter
Quoted from Pinballs:
What is baffling is that Kevin initiated this voluntary bankruptcy process, but refused to cooperate with it ultimately leading to his arrest, and had inadequate financial records anyway ...
Seems logical to me, Kevin Kulek stole money and doesn't intend to repay his debts, so he chose to file chapter 7. There are many thing Kevin does not understand ... little things like ... honesty, licensing, how to run a business and voluntary bankruptcy. Kevin's dishonest actions and lack of integrity have hurt many people. The wheels of justice turn slowly and things are finally coming around - KK is the victim of his own karma, and many bad choices.
Quoted from toyotaboy:
How do you not have access to an email account, especially one used for business? (unless he used the predator domain for email). Probably should have exported all your emails before you decided to let the domain go.
hint - you don't. That was only his excuse.
Quoted from toyotaboy:
opens excel sheet..
A1: atm withdrawal, $500....... reason: misc
A2: atm withdrawal, $1000..... reason: misc
A3: atm withdrawal, $500....... reason: misc
A4: atm withdrawal, $500....... reason: misc
A5: atm withdrawal, $500....... reason: misc
A6: atm withdrawal, $500....... reason: misc
A7: pizza dominoes $32.57..... reason: misc
you overlooked one:
A8: rv, $79,999 ....reason: employee morale
Quoted from flynnibus:
Once again.. he thought he was smarter than the law. We see how that has turned out for him... You are correct, if he had just played by the rules, bankruptcy would have been his savior... establishing a floor of just how low he could be forced to go. Now, due to his 'smarts', he's brought so many more people into this, and likely will face prosecution beyond the chap7 case. Figure by this time next year he won't just be poor-by-design, but actually liquidated and paying his dues.
So what you're saying is that Kevin Kulek of PinCONning MI is not only a lying, CONniving, thieving dbag, but he's stupid too, and his wife isn't much better. Wow! that's a lot to process, it might take me ... ok I've absorbed it. At least the legal gallows are being fitted for his fat neck.
Amanda is tired of the nonsense and can't go on like this Why is everyone picking on this poor defendant? Court cases have become a web she can't escape.
No records, no photos, no paperwork, no ip letter, yes fraud, yes tax evasion, yes house was a ruse that was paid for with SkitB funds, yes Keith has a realtor license and can appraise the house. Kevin's tax returns show no earnings from 2012 -2016, yet Amanda said he earned $125k.
TKO for Nathanson
Amanda has been diligently providing paperwork to her attorney, Ms Nickerbocker ... everything that was requested by court. Amanda can't help it if her lawyer won't cooperate. Sheesh why won't they leave this poor lady alone? She has all business records and receipts on her phone, she just can't seem to provide them to Keith. Exception for anything purchased at garage sales. Obviously it's time the courts move along. We're going to call a camera expert who knows about expensive "gray lenses". Bam!
Quoted from DanQverymuch:
He came in first in the B division at the PAPA World Championships in 1994. So legendary!
Wonder how he finished that year in the Pirates division of the Gasparilla Pinball Open
Just once I'd love to hear a defendant admit that they received all mailed notices, but they just chose to ignore them.
She's probably a jaCk Of No trades, master of CON.
Mom sounds determined to have the whole truth be told before she passes. Up until her recent court date, she was content keeping the truth buried in a hole and dusted with a heavy sprinkling of middle truth.
The judge doesn't want to read what mom thinks the role of a mother is or any other nonsense. Just stick to telling how she afforded the rv, given many years of low income and knowing the purchase was paid in cash. Bank returns for last 5 years, letter from attorney stating she won an inheritance, receipt for purchase and vehicle registration or even income tax returns ought to do the job. Maybe W2's showing her income earned as legal COuNsel for shitB (bwa haa haa). Oh yeah, I forgot, the Kuleks don't believe in leaving a paper trail.
I think the Mom is secretly jealous that the Marshals gave her son a ride to court and she didn't get one. Shouldn't we be getting a link to Aaron's court appearance soon?
Quoted from MrBally:
Why does the last document, which addresses Tim Fife say that "You and Your" means Amanda Kulek and Fae Lume or whatever photography?
Seems like a form letter was not cleaned up.
good catch, that made me rethink what I was reading too. That withstanding, if I ever need a lawyer with a set of solid brass balls, I'm hiring Keith.
Quoted from c508:
Other "evidence" included in Exhibits 1 & 2...
keithinmi is a successful and competent attorney. He has a lambo, plays bass, likes sci-fi and pinball, but FAMILY comes first.
Looks like the "LEGEND" of keithinmi is just going to keep growing and growing!
keithinmi enjoys long walks on the beach and watching perry mason reruns on tv. Don't recommend f'ing with him him in the courtroom.
Quoted from desertT1:
This stands out as a huge point. I don't want to say it should have been a red flag because that's not really fair to the buyers who were excited at the time. But, to put this into perspective, let's look at Stern and Spooky. Stern can make 50 pins in a day. Spooky can make 2 a day and we know that they have 12-15 employees. A handful of guys might be able to make 2-3 a week once they get the hang of things.
Red flag maybe - not to change the topic away from Skit-B, but Heighway Pinball claimed many times they would be building 100 games per week, after a short ramp up period, and never had more than 5 employees. That company went broke and was purchased by a group of its debtors. As the world awaits their plan for moving forward, HP-New posted a few weeks ago that once they ramp up, they should be producing 100 per week. Some believe that if you say something enough times it becomes true, per the facts you've pointed out, I don't see HP-New surpassing 10 games per week. Hopefully the new plan will be couched in truth with a realistic production goal.
Time and again, failed manufacturers have made the mistake of moving into larger digs too soon. This has resulted in significantly higher costs and when combined with delays to the production process, adds up quickly. In Skit-B's case, the whole thing was based on a non-existent license and was a complete sham though, so even the old rules don't apply. Paul @ VirtuaPin made the mistake of expanding his business based on a sketchy opportunity and now that he was caught, chose to fight it in court, rather than repay his ill-gotten gains.
Quoted from frolic:
Just to be fair, Heighway said 100 per month, not week.
fair enough I concede - 100 per month it was. Funny thing... I was preparing to search for production claims by Heighway, before I noticed that your post was already quoting them. duh. They probably expected to burst right through that ceiling any day. sad.
We're all just hanging out, loitering and waiting for the next Kulek_kin court document to drop. Until then we're just chillin and enjoying the scenery.
Comments regarding Keith ...
He's torturing us.
He's inciting others to kick in the trailer door and grab as much as they can.
He said I'm the weak link, and that I should be the one attacked.
He likes to wave his gun around.
Other nuggets of wisdom ...
My sons beat the Sharpe boys and both my boys were world champion pinball players. My husband was a world champion too.
I (insert random thought here) because that's what Mom's do.
her bottom line ...
she expects the judge to believe ... she purchased a fully functioning trailer, one that she planned to live in year round and drive it to AZ each season and which is likely worth $25k, for a total cash payment of $250 plus $20 to deliver?
Since this received a trial date, maybe Keith can subpoena the seller to validate the bill-of-sales and confirm how much in total was paid. (including the secret $25k payment made prior to grandma being charged $250). Oh boy the Kulek klan reminds me of the show Animal Kingdom. (spoiler - it doesn't matter which one you deal with because they're all bad eggs).
Quoted from cliff_clavin:
No banker is going to lend money on this property at this time. I hope they have the thirty thousand already available / raised.
Yikes, tin cans containing cash, once safely buried in back yard, must now be recovered floating down the river. Time to get out the canoe ... pic shows that the Kulek's are already on it.
Quoted from Travish:
That's the "people from Walmart" version.
I see. Bet the trunk pops open to reveal a BBQ grill, 2 folding chairs, a cooler and fishing gear. I could spend some time floating down the neighborhood - drinking beers, catching and grilling them fish fresh. Party on the Potomac.
Over the next few weeks and the water subsides, and cleanup of house is complete, I wonder if Kevin will reappear. Will he properly prepare the lot this time by raising the house up on a block foundation? He could add a ramp for grandma to come and go. They say people don't change so my vote is that he leaves the house as is and moves back in. It's the easiest thing to do. I should start a thread with a poll...
I was pondering the $100k Kevin paid Virtuapins for cabinets, but received $10k of goods. We know Kevin's plan to build Predators was fraudulent. Most believe Kevin was crooked on this from the getgo, others say once he learned it was not possible he should have come clean. Regardless of which you believe, do you think Kevin would hand over $100k in cash to someone, when he wasn't planning to deliver them? That is flushing money down the drain when you know it is a con. Also if he only received 10 cabinets, Kevin would have been all over Paul to return his money or to give him something back of value. So this part of the story is lacking - the where's the fu@kIng money Lebowski part?
The only way I can see Kevin handing over the $100k, which has been proven to occur, is for Paul to have returned $90k+ of cash or goods to Kevin. So as to where the money went, you shouldn't conclude 100k went to pay for cabinets, rather only 10k and the balance of deposit came back to Kevin somehow.
Do I think Kevin spent $500k of collected funds with his meager lifestyle plus attending shows etc? No way in hell. There is money in cans buried somewhere. Unless it floated down the river in recent flooding. Guess in that case Kevin may be expecting to file a claim with his insurance company. "Yeah that's right, I lost $400k in cash that was buried in my yard and State Farm can just write me a check. If you need proof, ask my wife and mom.".
almost skipped this recording because of mediocre posts. Glad I took the gamble and listened. I'd rate this episode - grade A entertainment. A-Must-Listen! Keith never fails to deliver. Can't shake this image of him driving down the road in his debut video the kids are metaphors for Pinside.
85% chance the judge rules litigation privilege and dismisses the case. One thing any attorney or lay person can conclude ... the counter claim is nonsensical.
Quoted from johngravenews:
I've been dipping in and out of this thread over the last couple of years (?).
Am I really one of the few ex-Predator buyers who really couldn't care less if someone bought a machine or made one out of the abandoned parts?
They aren't the person who took my money or lied about having a licence.
I get people being angry with Kevin. I get people being angry with themselves (Why did I send all that cash to someone who was allegedly going to build machines in their basement?). If someone got the opportunity to salvage anything out of this shit storm then good for them.
Quoted from MinusWorlds:
It's a slap in the face to everyone that did send money IMO. Far as I know Clay didn't. Yet he has a pin? Then he lies and omits to cover himself? Yeah, fuck that noise.
I agree a lot with what johngravenews wrote, and respect your interpretation minusworlds. But I wonder .... what if Clay were to approach the bankruptcy lawyer and offer to pay $15k as reimbursement for the critical Predator playfield and parts received in the dead of the night? Would this would be a fair offer to settle the dispute and generate a receipt? To put things in perspective, actually building a Predator machine will require a hell of a lot more work. Of course, this is all HYPOTHETICAL, but it could be a win-win. Keith collects money for bankruptcy case and Clay could build and display a Predator pinball machine in his museum/club, with a clean conscience and stay 100% legit.
Quoted from Enaud:
Damn. She's a no show and I can just imagine what excuse she may have. (She'll say she never received the mail, I'd guess.) Seems like the trustee would be incurring less expense in the long run if Keith would service all communications via the sheriff. That way she has no excuses.
She established the dates standing in court in front of the judge, there is no lost mail defense. You know, she hasn't tried the cat ate my homework yet? If handled properly, that one might be usable twice.
I'll bet ma decided to head to CA for winter, as far away from Halloween as possible.
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:
Some new documents and small audio in the case.
In the case against Kevin's mom, the joint final pretrial statement was filed without any input from his mom.
She didn't show up to the pretrial meeting either, which you can hear in the audio.
One of the associated case defendants has offered $2000 to settle his associated case:
Another associated case defendant has offered $500 to settle his case:
So does the listing of named witnesses indicate they will be subpoenaed to testify at trial? i.e. Kevin? sellers of RV?
Quoted from Taxman:
I am a software developer not an accountant. Taxman is because my last name is pronounced "tax".
Anyway if what I had read about writing off theft or scam loss it has to be done in the tax year of the theft since that is when you took the loss. Also, you would need the amount declared on an official document to file. When I had a loss it was on a K-1 form from a real estate loss given to me by an accountant that filed it with the IRS.
Since Pinside's Taxman says write it off .. who am I to argue against his sound professional advice?
Quoted from Nibbles:
Maybe he can cut stuff out on his/VP's CNC machine and sell it on etsy to get that $27/mo?
So Kevin has five kids to support and the monthly support works out to $5.40 per kid ... a mere 18 cents per day per child. That's cheaper than feeding a kid from Africa. Pinconning prices have hit a new low and yet remain too high for free wheeling Kevin Kulek to pay.
Quoted from fastpinball:
Keith doesn’t post anymore because I (not an attorney) called and told him that his posts in a public forum like this, while they may feel good, do not help his case at all and may do more harm than good.
Keith (an attorney) clearly looks to Pinside and casual friends for free legal advice.
A dumbass in Pinconning got bit by their pet venomous snake and everybody assumes (or knows) it is has to be Kevin K. HaHaHa me too.
Quoted from tamoore:
The money is in a sack, under a tree behind the flooded house. There's a map. It will be discovered.
If Amanda thought the money was in the backyard, she would have dug it up after dark already.
If Kevin put the money in backyard, he would have dug it up one night when Amanda was out of house.
My bet is that all company money not washed through Paul's cabinet company or already spent was buried in Kevin's backyard. It was ruined from the flooding and resulting sitting water. Kevin has since retrieved it and has seen what a melted pile it became. He has since reburied it closer to his present hideout, but it won't do him any good - it can't be salvaged. Kevin was a victim of his own CON and was wacked not to secure the money in a waterproof vault. Easy come, easy go .... Kevin Kulek lives the life of a pirate. But the kind of pirate without a boat, crew or treasure map. yohoho
Quoted from TheLaw:
Right, other than the time the lawyers lost to the guys they were suing.
But um yeah....other than that it's great
Anybody made a scorecard? Here is a quick stab based on faulty memory to get us started.
Kevin - mostly absent from any proceedings. He received divorce papers.
Moma K - possesses trailer once worth $75k, it flooded and is now worth $3k. Probably not road worthy to travel between MI to CA..
Amanda - agreed to settle startup loans for 20k? but was unable to get a loan so no payment.
Tim Fife did not surrender Predator game and traded it for JJPPOTC.
Paul - cabinet guy ????
Few others - paid a small amount.
Start with the pirate CONman known as KK, plus Mama K plus Grandma K, add in white hat lawyer (played by Better Call Saul actor) and bankruptcy judge (played by judge Mathis) and narrator Stacy Keach and the cast is set for a new series called - Outlaws.
Add a disclaimer at beginning of show that says the events and people you are about to see are real. We didn’t need to make this shit up. . Garnish 50% of wages paid to K clan to pay back victims.
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