So about 24 a week over that span. If Skit-B is going to be making these themselves, I highly doubt they will be making 10/week. Look at Jack's line and facility. There is nothing wrong with either method, but I would expect SB to be much closer to Spooky than JJP.

And ONCE THEY GET STARTED, what's the rush? I know orders want their games, but if they get started and they make 4 a week in the beginning, big deal. Manufacturing fascinates me and I love when I get to see how different groups make their pins. This one is no different, hope the process gets shown and people get their games.

Spooky is ~5 people right? How large is SkitB?

I would think that you would allocate people to do tasks to rech X number of games per week. If a person can do X cab assys, while it takes 3 people to do PFs, and then another to hook up the harnesses and QC, go that route. Doing a group build to do batches might be good for the first week so everyone is on the same page, but after that, specialize and assembly line.

Yeah, 1 person is not making 1 machine a day.

Different war... er, 'conflict'.

I saw a different ad for that pizza for the first time last night. I really, really want to give it a try soon.

So does this mean the locked Paypal acct is empty, or your CC doesn't want to fight with PP? Is there an INTL roadblock that US buyers might not have to deal with?

I have a local TV station that does the viewer advocate reporting all the time. It actually makes things happen when it comes to potholes and shady businesses. Somebody who is a buyer needs to do this and post the video.

And SkitB, and Skit B.

Is there a statute of limitations on this type of behavior? I understand waiting until you have your ducks in a row, but don't want to run out of time.

So instead, park in front of the house (on the street's shoulder, not the lawn...) and just chant into a megaphone "Where's my game? Where's my game? Where's my game?"

There are 16 line items for each person. I'm wondering if that is the number of Pinsiders who have worked with the lawyer in MI.

Maybe an end of day recap will happen. Not looking for a "what's coming up", but just what was discussed today in court. Then everyone not involved can play this game:

Not the same one that was on Shark Tank, right?

Or you could point out she is also listed as a defendant.

There shouldn't be a single person shocked that a few 100k can disappear in a few years with this type of project. He didn't have a shop to pay for like JPOP, but went to many shows with a 5-person crew and likely took a salary for himself and paid the others as well. He also made way more parts than JPOP ever did. Money gone.

I hope everyone gets something back; money, justice, whatever. It's only going to be something though (maybe), not everything.

#10... Dang.

Is it untouchable though? He/they have zero LLC firewall protection because an LLC doesn't exist. Depending on MI's marriage laws, her name only might still not keep it out of reach. The whole photography business was likely funded buy Pred buyers as well. Hopefully the screws are turned very hard and tight on this group of thieves.

And yes, I too am pretty surprised at a 30k house.

How does somebody find this?

Caymans...

There is/was no business, which is why he is being taken to task personally. If paypal cooperates with the IRS (and they would, the IRS just has to ask and become involved) showing $1M+ in incoming payments and he can't show where it went, that's income, and the IRS moves to the front of the line with the piñata stick in hand.

How many NSFW options did you go through before your search got you this image?

Somebody get Tommy Lee Jones on the phone, it's time to go to work.

So how long is a court appearance where his attorney is there but he isn't? Did the dude even say why he can't respond outside of a court? Probably won't bother because there is nothing left to bill against. If not, how awkward.

This might be a very entertaining weekend. Anyone happen to know if he has a taillight out?

60 posts in an afternoon in this thread and nobody is e-fistbumping because Kevin is in jail? There really needs to be zero posts in this thread until Hack Sparrow is trying to figure out how to get a dog to find the cell key.

Anyone want to research the vending/gaming license sticker rules near Pinconning? He's routing games, we know that. The question is are they being done properly? In Tucson, I have to have a business license, a vendors license, and a $6 sticker on each machine I have on route. I also have to pay a % to the city (and of course state and federal taxes). In a super rural area, maybe there are no local laws/licenses, but if there are and they aren't getting their cut, that might be the in.

Capone (resized).jpg

*needs picture of the yellow dude's jaw hitting the floor*

I'm curious on the cabinet side of things. Is there a point where the market value of services rendered (like making cabs and PFs) is deducted from the ~105k? That number sounds huge anyway, was that 'prepayment' for the full run of cabs? Basically I'm wondering if Kevin went to any old wood shop, asked for a quote for 250 cabs, was quoted $400 each, and then paid them, how hosed would that shop be? They would of course actually deliver the 250 cabs.

For as many awesome features as this site has, it really sucks at preventing dup/spam accounts. I'm on other forums (who mostly use vBulletin) and for whatever reason they are a lot better at preventing or sniffing out (the software/mods, not the torch toting rank and file) those types of accounts. A paid membership and verification will always have sub-100% participation of legit members. I sure would love to offer a suggestion, but running a forum isn't something I've done. But not every <1Y account is the boogie man and treating the honestly new members like that is a great way to not have new members.

Agreed. There are some non-mods who seem to get off on beating up new people. Would be nice if the overall tone was a little more pleasant around here. Not in this thread specifically, but all of Pinside.

Anyway, I'm glad that things seem to be rolling right along with this topic. Looking forward to the day when those affected get their victory.

Took me a second, but I sure got a kick out of the comment.

For as long as Alien has dragged on, FOX seems to be able to at least go through the motions. Rodger Sharpe has said that licenses don't cost very much per machine. There may be a minimum to the statement, but I think he was asked if it was $100 a game and he laughed it off saying that no game had ever been close to that.

Spooky said in a podcast in the AMH era that they were going away from Paypal as well. One issue too many and PP was being a hindrance more than a convenience. I use them for small-ish stuff, but would hate to run a business through them.

Same. Although when the day of glory happens for this thread I'd be shocked to find less than 100 new posts when I woke up.

Boom! There's the post explosion I knew would happen when he was picked up. At home no less.

Can't wait for the next round. While it might not be audio recorded, I'd read the whole thing if it was posted.

Is it Friday yet?

It's tomorrow AM because Keith has another appointment in the afternoon, correct?

F that noise Ted. It's just above freezing in Tucson this morning (sub-32* last night though) and we don't drink margaritas unless we can wear flip flops. It's got to be at least 50* for that to happen.

When it's this cold Rumchata is where it's at.

So it's not going to be discharged, but is there a full value tied to it? $1.2M was the max if everyone paid in full. Many did not and some forcefully chargebacked their cards. I'm not even going to guess at the number, but I think KK is F'd no matter if the number is $200k or $900k. I'm just curious what the numbers were settled at if they were.

There might be a little tucked away somewhere, but I'm willing to bet that most of it is gone. Just like so many lottery winners they blow it on stuff or trips. If it's 500k, that could be gone pretty fast. 30k on the house, whatever a 32' 5th wheel costs, camera stuff and studio buildup. There's 100k right there. Then there were legit parts, cabs, tooling/machines. Even though he thought they had no value, they certainly had a cost. I get the impression that when he was flooded with cash that he wasn't overly frugal and was just pulling triggers left and right on parts orders and "business" trips to parade the game around.

The bankruptcy was denied, correct? So what really is the next step? Does everyone get to step forward with proof of payment and nail it to Kevin's to do list?

How long might a decision take for all of these filings? Will there be an in-court process? Talk about dropping the hammer.

People that "worked" for/with Kevin are getting called to the carpet for various amounts of money. The RV and the house are also in the list. From my understanding, the documents are all requests for some sort of judgment from those people. Hopefully those decisions are made sooner than later.

Are there even enough locations in that area to support 100 arcade games? I'd imagine you could talk to a dozen people and you should be able to find out a few spots if that was the case.

Ho Lee Chit!

Still have a week before the next phase, so the monkeys have to stop flinging poo and start pounding away at the keyboards.

I was actually going to just post one image, but there are a lot of pretty funny comics in here: https://www.google.com/search?q=monkeys+shakespeare&safe=active&rls=com.microsoft:en-US:IE-Address&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZrcne6MzSAhVKilQKHVNxCkEQ_AUICCgD&biw=1649&bih=441

This place loves juicy details just as much as the stereotypical hair salon. You know if the info is available it would be accepted here.

That's why you do a "Pinball Is Hard" shirt and throw everything on it. Gremlins, RAZA, Alice in Wonderland, Predator, not-Mythbusters, and anything else I'm forgetting. Just don't get caught. :p

No, he's in the UK. He means Stinging Nettle. Trust me, it's not something you want to grasp. Suggesting somebody grasp the nettle is like saying bite the bullet, do something you really don't want to.

From that 1-page, how can you tell that she got a different job and nobody at her old place can't take over?

You can get raw boxes for a few hundred. When you start to add all of the metal parts of a cab and decals things go up pretty quickly. I actually used their page to give reference to a replacement cost for a fully done cab on my AFM that was heavily damaged in shipping. Silver lining.

I want to say that I remember the two groups (Skit-B and Virtuapin) working in the same business park. If there wasn't a relationship before that I bet that helped set something up.

In 1993 that player came in second in Jrs at PAPA, so I'm guessing it's the pirate.

This is just for the house portion of things.

So when's the next court date for this side of things?

This stands out as a huge point. I don't want to say it should have been a red flag because that's not really fair to the buyers who were excited at the time. But, to put this into perspective, let's look at Stern and Spooky. Stern can make 50 pins in a day. Spooky can make 2 a day and we know that they have 12-15 employees. A handful of guys might be able to make 2-3 a week once they get the hang of things.

Any standing water in Spooky's area tends to be frozen.

Jack said when the Buffalo Pinball folks toured that he makes 300 machines a month. I don't know if any of these are true, but I think that most are at least in the ballpark. Using that number, HP would make more games per month than JJP. While I understand it's a nice goal for HP to have, I think that's pretty lofty.

Each company has the QTY that they have to make to keep the thing going, and the QTY that they are comfortable with. When newer companies start making these public goals/claims, I benchmark them against Stern/JJP/Spooky and see if they pass the smell test. It no longer matters for the boys from MI, but that doesn't mean that it's no longer fascinating.

Weren't there several default judgments made against friends for ~$10k each? Anyone know how that's going?

"Willy McKinney" I (can) play against Will at every larger event in the region. Maybe referring to him as "Willy" will be the next phase of my strategy to finally finish ahead of him.

Just looked it up on IFPA to make sure. Sure enough, my Player V Player against "Willy": 0-20-0.

Wow, that's hood high in the first picture.

This is what I think as well. I also have to wonder though, what's the attraction to land that floods every year? It's not suitable for any sort of permanent structure. Is it a buffer from your neighbor? Or, is the real reason annual pirate ship practice?

The only questions is what do the inserts get labeled? Kevin/Aaron, Kevin/Amanda, Amanda/Kathy?

"I'm a mom" will have several variations available.

Agreed. Most of us know what traveling to shows can cost. He went to many, and brought an entourage. Rooms, food, transportation, and then whatever other fun stuff they decided was needed. When you travel trying to save money you watch your spending. When the fire hose is gushing money, who cares right?

Has he been around to help at all in all of this flood mess? It's like the guys in this family just disappear and the women don't really care. And yet in court Kathy talks about how her husband was in the coin op biz and a really good player, like it's present day. He's been gone (missing) for how long now?

Wrong thread...

Just so everyone is clear, she's a mom.

Anyone want to take a guess at if Kevin will be called to the stand? Staying off the radar isn't something I would have guessed as a genetic trait, but one could make the argument.

Hopefully, 10/27/2017.

WIWC. Seriously, I'd swing by just to be a spectator at that event.

Based on previous audio, when there is a decision Keith has written up the document for the judge to sign. In this case, would the defendant's attorney written this up?

Kevin is probably on his way to meet his dad in a bar. "Turned out just like you dad."

That can only work one time as after the Sheriff's report is filed the Trustee will point out that she has changed her name and provide the paperwork. Then on round 2 she will owe the 30k and maybe even some new charges due to the lie.

Soooo, about Kevin?...

Where is Kevin in all of this? He seems to be showing up at the custody hearings, but is the trustee no longer chasing him? And Mama K's ordeal is over as well? Last thing I remember is they confirmed that the trailer had minimal value and that seemed to be the end.

What ever happened to Mama K, and the (maybe) ex? Has anyone put a bell on Kevin yet? Hide and seek champ of the region.

So is this file specifically in response to a previous decision? I'm picking up on maybe Fife went through the ringer, but came out clean because he bought the stuff second hand in "good faith". Am I understanding correctly? Then Keith appealed and this document is from Fife's perspective?

If there is not a pending court date of any kind, assume it’s over. If a new date pops up, then bring the popcorn on that day. Til then, I wouldn’t even think about this piece of drama.

Holy smokes, I was just wondering about this today.

And yet Kevin has not been seen in how long?

So this just floods every few years?

Is it a thing to mix good scotch with soda?

I haven’t found a cheap scotch I didn’t like meat as of yet, but if I’m micro-leasing a Lambo, I’m drinking Johnny Walker Blue and not diluting it with even ice.

Dude, we are experts on the world of pinball, along with the inner workings of all things pre-order. It was tangible expert testimony. *cringe*

Straight to the liquor cabinet, your honor!

I think they did say he couldn’t get out of these debts with a BK, but also good luck getting anything out of him. He is basically a ghost.

Is he really still off the radar? I imagine him living in the woods, collecting coins from his rumored route games every week and then goes off to buy his next batch of canned soups.

I thought it was ex-wife.