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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion

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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (2 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (2 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (2 years ago)

Post #12872 Enaud's account of contacting fox regarding skit-b Posted by Enaud (2 years ago)

Post #13034 Description of an adversary proceeding (or AP) Posted by jasonp (2 years ago)

Post #13477 Discharge of debt denied by order Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13483 Stipulations for waiving chapter 7 discharge Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13528 Audio recording from Jan 27 court hearing regarding bankruptcy filing Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #13729 Summary of legal bankruptcy terminology Posted by Razorbak86 (2 years ago)

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#8672 4 years ago

Very sad to hear that the justice system has failed PD and FBI. That is just WRONG!

I guess each and everyone could go the small claims court and keep him tied up with court and his lawyer for a long time.

Wouldn't the judge "get a clue" after the 50th hearing. for the same exact thing. Selling a product that he never had a right to sell. How is that not fraud is beyond my comprehension.

I would bet that there could be a local lawyer near the court that could be hired to represent on your behave. A proxy lawyer?
(Same guy for all!) so that those out of state or out of country do not have to actually be there.

No Criminal charges is just MINDBLOWING! Justice system has some serious flaws to say the least.

#8802 4 years ago

In other words. Even if you win a court case good luck collecting it. Not the first time I have heard this. Unreal.

2 months later
#9464 3 years ago

Keep going after him.

Someone mentioned jpoop just a bad businessman. BS. The term owner. Sugguests to others that you own something.
NDA s and such. Really. One machine very limited next machine many more, third machine it looks like he is still collecting funds for. Sure looks like a pyramid scheme business model to me. Oh wait that's right nobody got shit. Scratch that. He was just stupid.

To bad Kevin did not just come clean right away and come up with something non licensed generic alien, monster The Hunter.
A much better history would have been written. You

I was under the impression last I read that folks were getting refunds?? Only the lucky??

2 weeks later
#9561 3 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

It's like watching a movie backwards. At least there are no spoilers.


I just wish the movie would start already.

2 weeks later
#9876 3 years ago

White van speaker scam is old as Dirt. Most don't have bricks. Most work but the absolute cheapest junk they can get. Speakers receivers video projectors watches anything really. They makeup up fake magazines with fake reviews fake fair retail values fake invoices for amounts they paid.
I almost fell for it, I was 16-18years old.
Almost is the key word.

#9883 3 years ago

So what is the real story with pinchili? He purchased so that means Kevin sold it and now profited from unauthorized, un licensed deal. That doesn't seem very smart on either side. Pawn shops lose out all the time with stolen goods. Well no matter what you say or how you distance yourself I don't think will mattet. Try to sell it and you could be in trouble. Kevin has proven to disobey a cease and desist order. I am at a loss.
Does pinchili think this was wise? You going to show it off at expo or something?? Or are you afraid someday soon you will get a summons to appear in court and have to forfeit the machine. Did he give you a good deal?? Extended warranty?

These two topics just keep getting wilder.

#9923 3 years ago

Yes social engineering is amazing!

And depending on the kind of heart you have or how sorry you feel for people. Etc. You can easily fall victim.

This is their living their careers and they get real good at it. From the tarot card fortune tellers to the unholy holy guys. Not so easy to stop yourself from getting wacked. From white vans to a professional looking web site.
And they happen all the time in any surroundings from your local watering hole to the guy swinging his little kid on a swing at the playground. You always need to be on guard.

I purchased this book a while back as entertainment reading. The back cover reads " a legendary hacker reveals how to guard against the greatest security risk of all human nature"

The book title: the art of deception by Kevin D Mitnick.

Mitnick being a somewhat famous hacker that now does training for companies I believe. That is still what he knows best. I know purchase of book helps him get rich so a double edge sword for sure.

I think everyone does it to a certain level.

But when it involves many people and large sums of money. I don't think the justice system has any real good way to undo the damage. I met a guy that lost out to an investment scam. Well he won his case but is still out his whole retirement nestegg. He has never seen a penny. It is truly unreal.

As a kid I loved magic tricks but when you start to read and learn the secrets it is the art of fooling to entertain. The pledge, the turn, the flurrish the reveal. The art of deception.
But for entertainment it is accepted.
I guess because they announce themselves as such and just trying to figure out how they did it is fun. ??? Penn and Teller know the craft and tell you just enough to stay three steps ahead of you.

#9947 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Three prototypes?

Oh good answer!!! Very sharp!

1 month later
#10058 3 years ago

Jelly of the month club???

Can OP request this get moved to the basement so we can all really say what we want to??

#10064 3 years ago

I must say that Avatar is very clever.
I like it..., I like it a lotttt!

1 month later
#10140 3 years ago

He can have debt collection agencies calling him 20 times a day for the rest of his life.

#10146 3 years ago

But a well loved, respected, and admired one.

John on the other hand......not so much.

1 month later
#10241 3 years ago

Could have just built Space Hunter and been done with it. Lightened it up a bit with a sexy looking girl named Butch. You get the idea The truth and a compromise would have been better than nothing to me.
But it sure seems just doing nothing is the easy way out.

3 months later
#10808 3 years ago

Wow the shit storm just continues and this thread is on fire!!

The moose out front should have told ya he is broke!

I got no skin in anything so really could give a rat's ass about the one or two machines but I can see need to keep it in hiding. If I lost out, I would make it a point to never give up til all remains destroyed or someone was in jail.

IRS is great call! I believe I brought it up in jpop thread long ago.

Ramps shouldn't be a problem for some folks.

Contact this guy maybe he ll help ya out?

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#10961 2 years ago

Are you sure it's not kaneda ?

Just looking for a chuckle.

What bothers me is the couple of toxic machines still in exitistance. Until they are publicly destroyed I wouldn't be happy either.

#10973 2 years ago

Not sure how I feel about the Hitler mobile I guess it has no right being loving cleaned and waxed either. And someone could get hurt even shot.

#10980 2 years ago

New BSD coffin mod two models to choose from.

#11206 2 years ago

So happydayz purchased the machine knowing full well that is was an unlicensed product. I take it that move isn't legal?? Would that be like purchasing a piece of stolen property? Or is it like the pawn stars that purchased a piece of merchandise not knowing that it wasn't hot or like wasn't an antique firearm? But something they can get in heat over as well and get seized?
Either way anyone getting involved with that machine now are doing it for personal profit and or to show-off like a twisted trophy. More wierd scumbag moves in my opinion.
Would a court look at it as helping support criminal activity?

#11406 2 years ago

Multibrawlr welcome!! you made a mistakes if your brand new to a forum and your first input is in a Toxic, train wreck of a topic. that was not a smooth move. Plenty of good folks on here and (drewscruis) is definately one of them.

But plenty of scum bags as well. And sometimes account names as well as length of service matter.

#11412 2 years ago

Thanks Cornelius I think you understood me my writing skills not the greatest.
Seems like moles, banned, trolls etc are always first posting in any on fire threads.
I did welcome him crash why so sensitive??

4 months later
#12010 2 years ago

So I have been catching up.

Looks like Kevin is getting in deeper trouble. What a tool.

And dotEXE now inactive ?? Another tool.

Pinside needs a bigger shed for all these tools!!

2 months later
#13245 2 years ago

A couple items that will be very interesting : w the SKITB tax returns if they even exist.
Then his personal Tax returns.

Maybe the IRS will bend him over after Keith is done with him. Or maybe Keith should bring in a tax specialist as well for next questioning.

All the so called employee friends and family?

Then the one or two machines made where given to a friend to sell as a second hand transaction to a collector? Hmmm?? I am sure he raised extra money selling off other assets. Are those the so called worthless accoutrements.

I have seen judges much harder on 80year old women for speeding in court. With large fines handed out. This judge seemed way to easy on Kevin. The judge never asked do you have a lawyer? Do you need a lawyer?
Never asked what the court issue in Ohio was about?

I am guessing Kevin will show up with same crap papers that he has already given as that is all he can bring without totally screwing himself. If he shows at all.
And Keith will get what from this lair??

Can someone recap how many folks Keith is representing?? Cause I hear many guys that only lost a small amount so never persued any refund.

It is exciting to hear that Kevin may be getting his comeuppance.

But I can just hear him now,
well your honor I did not realize that Mexico was that much further than Ohio nor did I realize that my wife had gotten me a passport for Valentine's day and left it hidden in the glove box. It's not my fault honest. I didn't even know my dying grandmother lived in Mexico I just put the address into the Google maps and was following their directions.
Oh and I felt very threatened by all those documents that would prove I am a liar and a their. So nope cant seem to find any of them.

#13252 2 years ago

Is debtors prison like 7$ per day or some shit like that? 1.2mil = 469.6 years

If they can't seem to find funds where exactly is this going. Do we all get to pay for his jail cell for a long while?

I don't mind chipping in when I can!

#13283 2 years ago

No skin here either but for all the guys getting the shaft by that asshat, it's nice to see Kevin finding out that his decision to Keep the money was the worst thing he ever did.


#13733 2 years ago

So does anyone think Kevin lied, told a fib or purgered himself under oath?

Does that mean anything at all anymore?

#13839 2 years ago

I am so happy to see that the grammar police never sleep!!

Do you think Kevin's answers at the hearing where a little CONveluted? Or just CONvenient.

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#14297 2 years ago

I never understood how lawyers can defend people that are obviously criminal.

He sounds like he needed a few drinks just to show up via phone.

I guess I'll say a prayer for Kevin's family tonight. It is a shame he couldn't have been honest and re titled it alien jungle hunt, or alien hunter, body collector etc.and been a stand up guy

Wonder if clay is gonna voluntarily hand over his possession of the partial machines?

2 weeks later
#14549 2 years ago

I am loving the grammar police! So funny, but something I really need to work on. I write in fragments all the time and can never seem to correct myself. I think I had music lessons and special practice sessions scheduled during English class quite often.

Been working on this damn hot water heater all day!

2 weeks later
#14804 2 years ago

Just sitting here reading my favorite forum thinking of Keith's fine work.

There are some other guys in a different thread that may need some help.

1 week later
#14930 2 years ago

The house is in her name right and she is working. I think we know who wears the pants.

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#15047 2 years ago

Wow that statement of hiding funds to collect other government program benefits was a great idea. Can of worms open here! At least besides paying for the cable and heat it sounds like at least some improvements to everyones time share property have been done.

Quoted from Jam_Burglar:

Anybody know if the U.S. Trustee has taken any interest yet? They'll criminally prosecute in some cases.

Sure sounds like they keep digging a deeper grave with every step in this process. Not showing up for court, no cooperation, hiding assets in trailers, selling prototype machines worth the big bucks to other friends, paying friends, buying mother RV with production funds.

It gets no worse.

#15049 2 years ago

Thinking out loud.
If Kevin while unemployed put a ton of sweat equity into the property so that when it gets sold off more funds are generated? Would that be smart move? Wouldn't that be helping himself out. Better than pumping iron in jail, no?

#15101 2 years ago

When they lose the house they can just move in the RV with Mom. Oh wait..

#15148 2 years ago

Ok a couple real questions now.

Are all the prototypes (sample games) accounted for?

After seeing MG and the supposed value of these rare items seems like Preditor machine could easily fetch a pretty penny if auctioned correctly. That game seemed to have code and actually be a real pin.

And seeing how long this process takes how many years of courts and misery can you watch before you start feeling sorry for them and the children. I know you all want justice, and the embarrassment and hassle of getting pulled in by Marshalls is some sweet revenge. but,.
I am just wondering if anything less than jail will even satisfy ?

Some people can look at it like it's only money and not all that much in the grand scheme of things. At least the amount back.

Is it irregardless and you just want him to lay in the bed he made himself?

I did have a nice Easter day that's all I know.

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#15281 2 years ago

Yes the judge is trying to basically keep her emotional outbreaks at bay. The house is gone already whether she wants to think different or not. The grandparents or whoever else can come up with 80k + to keep them from having to pack up and move out, will be the next thing she will have to work on.
But ethier way it's not really their home.

If only he had started issuing refunds instead of being a crook.

I get the feeling from hearing her that they are as close as ever still. Weird as that sounds.

And why was the Grandmother there?? To see how fucked they really are?

#15296 2 years ago

Oh I can bet withdraws from PayPal directly into her account or said business are plain as day.

Don't really understand the angle on the business equipment inventory list wanted. From 2015 or whatever on you know she'll never list anything she can't prove she purchased. Which would be all the expensive stuff. So the list will contain all the cheap junk and backed up with receipts. Anything real expensive would be hidden and or sold off on the side to pay for legal fees. Thus purchasing all new equipment with receipts.

She did state she has all the receipts but of course thats only for recent purchases.

Is this more rope to prove the dishonest and hang her as well, most likely.

If I where her I'd think long and hard before falsifying any more it hasn't worked out well so far.

#15301 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I'll bet this is what happens....

Not until September.

#15337 2 years ago
Quoted from DanQverymuch:

At least they'll be able to afford their court-appointed lawyers when the criminal phase begins...

we all get to pay for the best defense our tax dollars can afford.

#15395 2 years ago

You almost started to go the rails like Clark at the eggnog bowl. But well said!!

#15449 2 years ago

May the fourth be with dude!

I was listening again, and it sure seems that if all her bank and her pay pal where forced over for an audit things would be much simpler than her selective account of assets with receipts. Yeah I feel she is majorly worried about losing everything. But as being married you have to assume they will do anything to not give up anything.

Water was up to ribcage in living room and you guys keep talking about water in the basement. ???

Sounds like she is definitely trying to devalue the property. Which is silly as if(when) they give it up, the more it's worth the more the debt can be resolved.

Sure sounds like she still doesn't get it.

Your done like yesterday's​ dinner.

Slapping da bass!!

#15470 2 years ago

ROBIN !!! , Mods. Help!!!

Keith I am no search expert for sure but I believe if you use Google to search pinside you get much better results than using the pinside search tool for some reason.

And there is some special way. Ie site:pinside.com then argument. ??? This part not clear on at all.

#15508 2 years ago

Six consequtive numbered checks the old plinking trick eh?

Like dominos things will fall.

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#15636 2 years ago

that was pathetic. now she has a chance to document the truth, and if she doesn't may god have mercy on her soul!!

i think she watched goodfellas once to often.

i dont think Mom is looking at the bigger picture here.

If Kevin and Amanda to to jail, she would never be able to take custody of the grand kids, due to her health. SMART MOVE

#15663 2 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

To be driven to their own home for school?


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#15896 1 year ago

Happy pirates day !! You mother.

#16117 1 year ago

catching crooks and getting money back is way harder than making pinball.

but what do i know i'm a nerd

so when does the IRS and child services get involved?

and it sure doesnt look like she needs oxygen but she needs some growth taken off her arm.

#16137 1 year ago

I get the feeling mom thinks she's in the clear.

I am just guessing from voice and attitude.

It seems the same with Amanda. It is just as when discussion of house was done and then the matter of the other funds transferred got put in front of her (big sigh of discuss and then back on the defensive voice) like isn't the 30k enough to just brush this whole thing under a rug and be done.

I don't think they realize they have many more court dates and it will never be over until they satisfy all those they burned.

And be very careful of what you go saying about this wonderful community and hobby site. You may just piss off the wrong nerd and then.......open a new can of whip ass.

#16156 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinballs:

He didn't even bother turning up to the court hearings of his wife and mother. Shocking. What a pathetic worm.

He is very busy getting a quote together for DP.

#16160 1 year ago

Indoor fishing.. How novel.

#16210 1 year ago

Dang this poor sickly women sure got to go to a lot more shows than I could ever afford.

#16222 1 year ago

That's not nice putting words or imagery into peoples heads that aren't true. That's the defendants job.

#16241 1 year ago

Vid, for a smart guy sometimes your koothless.

#16309 1 year ago

I think the community would gladly stop over and help you. Especially moving all unaccounted for accoutrements.

Of course I could be wrong as these nerds are just brainiacs and would just be there to figure how many bladders and anchor chains would be needed so this doesn't happen again.

#16465 1 year ago

The wnem story page has a couple comments.

News reporter thinks she's getting a nice, heart breaking fluff story. This story could age her 50years. Do yourself a favor and stay away!

It's toxic.

Unless she's a real killer queen detective type that wants a huge story.

#16505 1 year ago

Yeah I can almost guarantee those comments didn't help anything but give them "look see the brutal attacks we get daily" ammo.

Oh my son!! Lol Where the heck is he? Out collecting route money??

Suprised that crazy lawyer wasn't out with his RPGs trying to sink the rescue vessels.

#16508 1 year ago

You guys are brutal.

If I were in their shoes, I would have broke down long ago.

How long has this all been dragged out?

That other help fund us campaign is already down??

#16524 1 year ago
Quoted from robertmee:

Hell hath no fury like a pinsider scorned

Oh I totally get it, I don't think momma Kulek does.

Its like the newspaper kid that wants what he is owed. 2$

#16569 1 year ago

The pros:


There are no cons except for the criminals and friends there of being embarrassed, being held accountable, etc..

Easy to drain if you do not like seeing folks getting enjoyment out of some justice being served.

If everyone just chalked it up to life lesson learned, and turned the other cheek, the crooks just keep doing what they are good at.

Look at MAD amusements and international orders. I am embarrassed for the entire country that it keeps happening.

#16592 1 year ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

Hell, read the legal docs and you'd know half of that is false.

Is that the gun slinging lawyer, the countless yard stalkers or the adult website your speaking of?

#16599 1 year ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

The rain dance variety of lawyer

Not nice but kinda funny!

#16632 1 year ago

I feel bad, the new furnace you guys bought last winter is ruined.

#16711 1 year ago

The imagination runs wild!!
Gramma Kulek with her long barrel.
Kevin with an AK and a pistol.
Loving wife with lighter and Molotov cocktail in hand.
And the children with slingshots and bolt cutters.

Happy 4th!! Everyone

#16761 1 year ago
Quoted from Taxman:

Listening to the audio of the court has become a very popular podcast. It is a mixture of The Peoples Court and Honey Boo Boo.

To bad it's not a mix with hanging judge Harrison. The court is now in session!!

#16765 1 year ago

Well of course.

It would really be a good time to sit with a professional and make arrangements for the children, seeing how the school got flooded.

#16813 1 year ago
Quoted from investingdad:

The Premium will include extra playfield accoutrements not found on the Pro.

Oh please tell more!! I heard a rumour that the LE will have tilt bob high up in the back box much higher than the beautiful faux water line on cabinet.

#16819 1 year ago

I am so torn I WiTCH model to get they all sound so good!

Can you describe the pro version a little more?

#16842 1 year ago

I can see his point the threads that go off topic to much can be a real pain as you never know when some real info comes in. But that was before I noticed and started using those key topic links. Try it. You'll like it.

I'll be taking preorder money please make checks out to " creative accoutrements shipped happily" or CASH for short.

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#16950 1 year ago

I don't know why they are trying to mail stuff to her? The court should know by now that the USPS is broken and she will never receive it!

#17001 1 year ago

Is that Mr Frank's pond accoutrement??

#17028 1 year ago
Quoted from Drewscruis:

Unless they got a fraudulent receipt for less than paid to avoid taxes when you register it.

Now why would someone do something like that ? Don't you enjoy paying tax on something used that tax was already paid on!

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#17168 1 year ago

Just so I understand correctly?
Keith is attorney representing Mr Frank and trying to claw back every cent that they can for financial losses in the Predator scam. Then cabinet maker that is also involved in this and clearly received funds in odd manner is trying to sue Keith for ruining business?

I have heard the public tapes and it sure seems Keith has been on receiving end of a lot of attacks and bullshit.

I take it these cases are treated separately?

Does this give Keith opportunity to push harder for criminal charges or opportunity to inform or get the IRS to take action? On all involved in the money trail?

Seems weird that with such poor or non existent business practices that this civil type stuff is going on first. I would think it would be the other way around. Or combined so that things were really truthful and cooperative.

1 week later
#17188 1 year ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

there were NO investors...

Thats right. They were
.. in John's tongue owners.

2 weeks later
#17460 1 year ago

curators have accoutrements

And will never give em up, well not for a long while and only for a big heap of cash. It's a curators 401k.

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#17487 1 year ago

I thought it was columbo day sorry.

While I'm here can I get an update ya see I've been going over this in my head and a few things just don't make any sense.

c89f5bdeafa35f81eb8f273b38196251--peter-falk-columbo-style-inspiration (resized).jpg

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#17516 1 year ago

I can't believe that she was a No show and I can't wait to here the excuse she has this time. Oh wait I forget the USPS only delivers to her address once in a blue moon.

For the love of God just throw em in a cell. Do they have Halloween in jail?

#17532 1 year ago

I remembered it didn't make much sense to me, its like there is no Halloween in CA? I couldn't even believe the judge was going to let her leave the state without matters being concluded. Super nice judge. Almost to nice. Wasn't there any judges in on a Preditor machine that could take over this case??

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#17885 1 year ago

This thread is so boring now that Keith has no presence. What happened, why wouldn't he want to keep us informed on our wonderful legal system?

And that judge, I was so sure he would be totally fair to everyone involved.

Mr Frank give up??

1 month later
#17951 1 year ago

I can't believe it April fool's day came and went and nothing. You guys are slacking.

Nothing new ??

3 months later
#18006 10 months ago

Where do I send the poison oak, I mean, get well flowers?

Keep up the good fight guys!

5 months later
#18231 4 months ago

What happened to all the guys with links to the court proceedings? I found them very enlightening and entertaining. Nothing new or still ongoing?

It looked at one point Keith the lawyer had em all in the corner of the ring ready to throw KO blows but then it seemed like the cabinet guys spun shit around and things got all quiet.

What the hell kinda justice system do we have?

Has anyone got a nickel back?

2 months later
#18254 75 days ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

never to be seen again.

This option has my vote! Or maybe in the ending scene of Tommy if ever redone.

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