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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion

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5 years ago

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Post #12066 What is PACER and where are you getting the court documents? Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12502 Links to where Kevin gives "his side of the story". Posted by BillySastard (2 years ago)

Post #12515 Updated court filings. Potential cash coming into bankruptcy estate. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12528 Good summation of 2 year look back and possible fraudulent transfers. Posted by flynnibus (2 years ago)

Post #12580 More legal pleadings. Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #12593 Facts & allegations document for VirtuaPin Posted by c508 (2 years ago)

Post #12801 Photos of Experts of Dangerous Posted by fastpinball (2 years ago)

Post #12872 Enaud's account of contacting fox regarding skit-b Posted by Enaud (2 years ago)

Post #13034 Description of an adversary proceeding (or AP) Posted by jasonp (2 years ago)

Post #13477 Discharge of debt denied by order Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13483 Stipulations for waiving chapter 7 discharge Posted by Compy (2 years ago)

Post #13528 Audio recording from Jan 27 court hearing regarding bankruptcy filing Posted by Wolfmarsh (2 years ago)

Post #13729 Summary of legal bankruptcy terminology Posted by Razorbak86 (2 years ago)

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#408 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Do you think if you keep saying this lie that eventually it will become truth? The game is licensed, and has been confirmed as such by SkitB. Either go find some evidence that it isn't or wake up and realize how silly you sound when you continue to spout this lie.
Our favorite reporter/detective claimed his 'friends' used his 'connections in the industry' to go try and dig up the inside scoop from FOX a few months ago. We can only assume he came up empty, because had he been able to even find a morsel of evidence that there was something wrong with the license he would have been here trying to get as much attention as he could.
The only valid complaint you can have at this point is that they suck at communication. Anything else is proof that you are just trolling.

No other scenarios make sense to you , but you have to try and put yourself in someone else's position, which I am guessing you are completely incapable of.
KISS is usually the most obvious and likely.
something like
SkitB guy #1>>"we have run into issues with getting parts in (like all first timers), things are taking longer than we thought (like every first timer), and now everyone on Pinside that does not have one on order is making up things about the license and trying to instate a lynch mob"
SkitB guy #2>>"should we do a bunch of empty damage control and waste time or do the one thing that will reinstall faith in us"
SkitB guy #1>>"Yeah, let's get this first batch done and shipped while Lowepg is busy playing his NGG with unfinished code and complaining on pinside again"
I know this may not make sense to you, but the reality is that the only thing that is going to possibly stifle the unsatisfied people is getting games delivered. As a game maker, I know where I would be spending my time and energy and it surely is not addressing people on the internet that make up lies about the license.
As an owner in the first batch coming out, I really do think we are very close to seeing them. I have been given a tentative pick up date in Dec and really do have faith that they will get it done by then. The best way for SkitB to shut up trolls is to get the game out the door and they know that.
That said, they owe some communication to those that own the game and I think they should do that as soon as they are done building my game

In the time it took you to write this post, this entire thread could have been shut down with a reasonable proof of progress. Since it is such a burden to do so a reasonable uninterested party can only conclude there is some problem occurring that may be insurmountable. Believe me when I tell you that Kevin with an iPad sitting on the stool could multi-task this controversy away before it was time to wipe if there wasn't some real trouble in paradise.

#409 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Sorry Billy, but from a business perspective if I were on the other side of the coin I would consider people asking for a refund just 5 months after they put it in a PITA. I would not tell them to their face, but would be thinking it in my head.

As a business owner, I would be glad to have had a zero interest 5 month cash flow loan. Obviously the whole problem in the ponzi is that the Mythbusters cash influx has failed. It's really hard to be positive about any of this stuff when it all just seems like a bunch of huxters separating fools from their money.

BTW, I can see it taking several weeks to get paypal to refund really old payments. It's just the secrecy of it all that makes it look like there is a cash shortage in play.

#425 4 years ago

Facts don't induce drama. It's the lack of facts and the obfuscation of facts that creates all the drama and speculation. Therefore, this entire thread is the fault of Kevin.

#427 4 years ago

BTW, I want this entire pre-pay model of pinball to wither on the vine. VC is available to those who appreciate and practice generally accepted business practices. I don't think there is another industry in all of commerce that expects it's customers to pony up start-up capital (and then shits on them once they get the checks).

#437 4 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

no, not really. in fact, that is completely wrong.
and, kickstarter is a giant success for a big reason.

I think calling kickstarter a "giant success" is really pushing the boundaries of of the English language. Sure, a couple of companies have successfully used it to crowd-fund licensing. For every one success story there are 10 utter failures and straight-up ripoffs. Crowd funding will go the way of the dodo bird in short order. People are just jumping on the bandwagon right now because they haven't been ripped off enough yet.

While you are looking up the words "giant" and "success", stop by the word "fad" and see what that means.

#452 4 years ago

That update doesn't answer a single question WRT the licensing and timeline.

"building pinball machines is harder than we thought so no information will be shared that could possibly allay your legitimate concerns. But don't worry, we're on the job."

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