Cannot understand why Fox would be entitled to other peoples money at that point, unless they wouldn't of been told about it and started proceedings to collect funds.

I want me PRED pin, but man, after this shitstorm, not sure I'm gonna ever get it? I'll wait to see what Kevin has to say for his situation before I decide finally.

I'm pretty sure all 250 were made. I think we've seen pics of them all. Anywhoo, if I'm not getting a machine and I'm not getting all my money, I'll certainly take one set of spine bones, skulls, claw, and hanging guy in lieu of nothing at all. Then I'll put them in a little case in my arcade, with this sign:

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Damn right Kevin should send out a set of the toys for all the paid owners... However, who gets to keep those 10-20 PFs and cabs? Whysnow sure wants to get his hands on them.

I'm sure if Kevin wants to avoid legal trouble from Fox he better agree to destroy all cabs and all playfields. Those contain IP of Fox. As for the skulls Back Alley made ... those are just generic skulls and I don't think would fall under the IP of Fox.

I'm still curious if Back Alley was paid in full for the skulls/spine made for the game itself (not the toppers.) I would think he'll be eating the cost of the toppers at a minimum, right?

And technically speaking, couldn't Spooky be liable as well for printing artwork that was never approved and was IP of Fox?

I speak from experience, that any time lawyers are involved on a federal level, the cost of the legal defense will be $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

That will eat up every bit of money Kevin has, long before FOX sees judgement, and way before any funds are distributed to the investors.

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Whoever tipped off Fox's legal team about the game, drove a stake into any chance of a refund for the investors.

Mission completed?

I wouldn't be surprised if all 250 plastic sets were purchased too. Seems like one of the easier things to source and likely to be purchased in a large quantity.

He can just peel the decals off the cabs, and spray over the faces on the playfields.

Anyone who wants any of that stuff should contact Kevin RIGHT NOW before it's taken.

Kev may be naive, but I'm sure he is not dumb enough to hand off the money he is going to need for his defense in federal court.

This. Remember how much of a sure thing he made his bet seem? He made it seem like it was 100% a done deal I honestly thought there was a good chance he might get his hands on a pre-production proto or something just to win it...

I'm still trying to figure out what license the cabinet guy saw. I mean, he did say he would have never been involved if the game wasn't licensed. He has been absent here. Perhaps he can expound on his previous statements.

Nah. He would have just gotten a C&D. It's only if he ignored it and pressed on anyways (which is the story going around) that it would come to that.

Well then people better get lawyers to send demand letters for their refunds before he spends it in federal court.

I think that's a very plausible reason why he's not issuing refunds.

Very good point, but he seems to have mysteriously disappeared as well.

That's the "Insiders" email that I got.

Federal court is supposedly next.

As any (good) layer will tell you, people ignore demand letters most of the time.

Yeah but it sets a precedent on who has claims on his cash assets.

Yeah, they tried to get me to forward it to you, but I got tired of the passing notes game.

Psst vid, tell Sally that Bob said she's cute!

With what has come to light recently, he probably realizes he could be found complicit. He vouched there was a license when there wasn't and made Predator product. Hopefully he made the product before the cease and desist. Ugly situation that just keeps getting worse.

Man what a nightmare... I feel so frustrated by this, all I keep thinking about is all the hours I had to put in to pay for Kevin's livelihood.

Won't matter, there will not be a penny left after federal court.

FFS! Can we just wait to hear it from Kevin. I'm fully paid up $4750, I knew the risks, Everyone did. Sure Kevin said he had the licence (partial or otherwise) And that may or may not be true. Kevin's emails say he is working on a solution. Is he likley to be running off to Mexico with our $$$!? Give him a chance to put things right. We have nothing concrete.

Maybe Kevin IS actually in talks with a manufacturer, maybe kevin does have a guy like , if not Rodger Sharpe himself on the case

Everyone likes to speculate, and come up with accusations with NO proof. We are all in it together. The preorders screaming for their money back- claim down! Because all this shouting and treating is getting you nowhere! Those that don't have any money tied up in it should just leave it alone.

I'm all for an owners only discussion thread.

We saw this sort of thing with TBL, jpop things will get sorted one way or another.

She says she's involved with Sharron.

If the money truly was being held be PayPal as promised then there is a very good chance PayPal has caught wind of this and has frozen the funds themselves (whether Fox requested it or not). Kevin may very well not have access to the money right now and simply cannot issue refunds even if he wanted to.

I'm with you man. Should have went with Stern. This has kind of ruined pinball for me. And my favorite movie has been sullied forever.

No one would be dumb enough to leave the money in a Paypal account.

They are not a bank, they are not FDIC insured.

Unsecured claims are treated equally within their class. The date on a demand letter is irrelevant.

Were'nt those Kevin's exact words? He stated he had a close relationship and agreement with someone at PayPal and everyone's money was safe?

Kevin needs to tell people where their money is and why they are not getting it back. Aaron should be screaming at him to get on pinside and say something.

my CC company opened a dispute through Paypal for me, so now Paypal is requesting action from Kevin

So....Kevin has a close relationship with someone at Paypal who will bend the rules for him, he has a license from Fox, his uncle is Roger Sharpe, he donated a kidney and skin to a child who was in a fire.....

"I didn't have the agreement with paypal that I thought I did..."

Also, what makes Kevin's deal "special" .. Maybe he was just peacocking about PayPal for some reason when its normal PayPal practices. Using PayPal as a honor system "escrow" account is pretty much the same as DP was doing (who knows now).. Their account got frozen during Phil meltdown and had to get unlocked before refunds could be issued.. If that hasn't happened yet with Kevin I'd be surprised (he may not of been treating it as honor system escrow)

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He claimed something that can't possibly be true, which is that all of the money he's received are safe and accounted for because of his deal with Paypal. That none of the buyers have even risked a dime.

Yeah I rephrased my post above after I came to the conclusion as well (shit is happening too fast). You are right.. DP was using it as a "honor system escrow" where they just were choosing to leave it there / nobody was forcing it to stay there. If he was claiming PayPal wasn't allowing him to spend it, that's likely false.

Just another lie. People were getting nervous so he said it as a way to guarantee their money was safe no matter what happened to the project. This is in the same update he said the license was fine if memory serves. Blatant, willfull deceit.

what are the boob rules here, is it ok so long as no nipplage, or are nips ok?

A CC dispute is about all the power you guys have over this situation right now barring getting the authorities involved. I would not delay filing it. It doesn't mean you won't work something out and get your pin, but to delay filing one at this stage of the game is foolish IMO. If there is any money left, you might actually get yours back. Do you think the credit card company won't look at the evidence and say there were red flags months ago, why did you wait?

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I'll ask you the same thing I asked Ted when he was calling for patience:

Ted bailed a long time ago, sure he got all the patience in the world with absolutely zero risk to ask people to wait.

Jiggling boobs are over rated

Yeah, I just didn't want to type it again to the wait some more contingent. Pretty much rhetorical in nature any way.

Cabinet guy has been lying too and probably is sitting on a lot of the $$$.

Setting up Skitb Inc. as a "non profit" entity is one of the dumbest things you could possibly do.

Like I said, its easy to simply file as a non profit under state law. I seriously doubt he received any IRS approval for tax exempt status. If he did, he lied on that application as well.

He's had some terrible advisors.

lets put it to a vote



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Or none at all.

As a non profit isn't there a requirement for an external audit? (which is the case here in oz)

Huh?

So you are suggesting he withhold peoples money for his personal defense so he can pay his lawyers?

I'm thinking he would be in a better position if he refunds all the money vs keeping it. This should be obvious.

A cabinet is just a cabinet until you put a decal on it.

If the cabinet maker is just delivering black, blank cabs.....no harm there.

Intrigued.. But given the variations involved, this seems more bracket type competition.. March madness indeed