Just catching up here after many months. Usually, a Bankruptcy case being DISMISSED is BAD for the debtor (i.e. bad for Kulek). If you're Kulek and filing for Bankruptcy protection you want a "DISCHARGE", meaning your debt is forgiven and your creditors can no longer pursue you. "Dismissed" is bad because the Court rejected your case and now you are thrown to the wolves, who can pursue you indefinitely. Of course if you have no assets and gain no assets and have no job, there's not much meat to pick from the bones. It's still not a good result for a debtor to have his case dismissed.

That being said, I haven't read the pleadings and it's not clear to me exactly what was dismissed. There are a lot of ways to get things twisted in a case like this if you're not careful. For example, there are Adversary Proceedings within the Bankruptcy case that are like sub-lawsuits within the larger Bankruptcy case. If the Trustee brings an Adversary Proceeding against a party and that "AP" is dismissed, then that's typically bad for the unsecured creditors.

I do tend to agree with people who've said you have to be careful throwing good money after bad. It is very frequent in cases of theft that the bastard who stole your money wasted it away. Unfortunate but all too common.

Interesting. It looks like on pg 22, that Keith did an 'oops'. Though, I may be misreading.

Yes - reading files that are clearly marked as attorney-client confidential is a big no-no.

If that pleading is true, Keith did alot of oops's. He's not the superstar that some seemed to portray him to be.

seems like a lot of lawyer speak and all how this system works. Guessing someone spent quite a bit of money on a lawyer and is trying to get some of that back???

It seems like a phenomenal waste of time and money to me....All this back and forth resulting from trying to collect 2 pinball machines....crazy...

No, don't. Don't spend another dime on anything related to Kevin. It's not worth it.

So is this file specifically in response to a previous decision? I'm picking up on maybe Fife went through the ringer, but came out clean because he bought the stuff second hand in "good faith". Am I understanding correctly? Then Keith appealed and this document is from Fife's perspective?

Correct...that's the general gist of it. So, who pays for Fife's legal fees if Keith's appeal fails (which by all accounts will)? The court already awarded Fife retribution, so does that come out of Keith's pocket for a frivolous suit, or does it come out of the cash pot that would normally go to the people involved in the lawsuit? Like many have said, I'm afraid that the only person getting money out of this will be Keith....Hope for everyone's sake I'm proven very wrong.

This saga hasn't been about people getting money back for a very long time.
That was gone years ago.

Yes but he has a Lamborghini though.

Don't taxpayers already pay for this? WTF.

Summary of the fife file?

"Yes you did, no I didn't"

Is Kevin Kulek still not arrested?

Nope and he won't be.

Or "wheels of justice e slowly turning everything is normal etc etc"

I’m sure everyone has 43M in the bank so as not to want to chase their 5k. Once again mr Bally full of it

Bankruptcy proceedings are about distributing money, not criminally punishing the debtor. Kevin's not going to jail because of Predator.

On the other hand, if you're expressing amazement that this imbecile has somehow managed not to get himself arrested for whatever harebrained schemes he's probably been engaged in since Predator collapsed, that does seem incredible.

I dont think anyone was inferring that bankruptcy would result in him being criminally prosecuted...
However, you are silly if you think the criminal side of things are behind Mr. Kuleck

I am pretty sure once everything is finally done with bankruptcy, then civil suits can resume (there has been a stay enacted once bankruptcy was filed), and the possibility for criminal is still on the table.

Correct re: civil suits, assuming the court stands by its decision not to give Kevin a bankruptcy discharge at the end of all of this (check with your lawyer on timing though, you may need to file quickly after the bankruptcy stay is lifted depending on the statute of limitations on your civil suits). Of course new civil suits wouldn't lead to jail time which is what the_one was asking about.

Re: criminal charges, anything's possible so long as the statute of limitations hasn't run (looks like 6 years in Michigan for misdemeanors and most felonies, wouldn't be affected by the bankruptcy). But I believe the victims reached out to the DA several years ago and they didn't bring charges, so I wouldn't bank on it.

I know you'd like to see him prosecuted, and it's a little hard to believe he didn't commit some crimes here. But that doesn't mean it's going to happen.

of course...

much of this will be out of our hands and depend on what the state opts to do.

However, some of the things discovered during bankruptcy proceedings may help change the mind of the DA in regards to criminal proceedings.

As Mr Bally so astutely notes, the wheels of the courts and states turn slowly. Luckily, they also never stop moving.

If there is not a pending court date of any kind, assume it’s over. If a new date pops up, then bring the popcorn on that day. Til then, I wouldn’t even think about this piece of drama.

That has zero to do with this. I thought the games and deposits we're more than $10. Shit, I'll send 20 just in case somehow these get made. I'm in for 2!!

What do you think will end up being the longer con job?

1. Skit B taking deposits for a fake pin and taking all of pinside's monies

2. Keith going to lawyer schoolery for years, starting a case against Kulek, & disappearing after taking all of pinsides monies?

I kid.

Hard to choose just one, there both spot on.

John

Lawyers haven't earned the stellar and respectful rep they have, by not being, well, lawyers. We all know in the end, only lawyers win.

They are a necessary part of an imperfect legal system. If all parties showed up and told the whole truth we mostly wouldn't need them. But life doesn't work that way. Most people, including lawyers, are decent and honest. That the system they work in rewards shenanigans is not wholly the fault of lawyers.

Technically, it is the fault of lawyers, as lawyers write the rules that our imperfect court system works under.

Anyway, back on topic. Has anyone , besides lawyers, gotten paid or paid back?

Nothing has happened to Kevin, and other than a possible photo from behind nothing will happen to Kevin. No justice will be served here, at what point do you pull the plug and move on...

My predictions.....

No money is recovered

No criminal charges will be pressed on Kevin K.

This thread will finally die on page 396

Well i mean he lost his wife and house didn't he?

I saw both of them.

He came out in the black on both of those "losses."

Are you trying to say she was a bigger loser than him?

The led separate lives before this, and his house was washed away in a flood; nothing to do with this case

I predict that 2 out of 3 of those will be true.

Saw on facebook the predator prototype got traded away for a jjpotc

Wow the guy that traded the pirates got screwed.

Wonder if it was a straight up trade...

Didn't Kevin fancy himself a pirate. Irony.

Not a fancy one, but a pirate, none the less.

Anyone hear anything new? I mean, I know it's over with as far as anything happening to Kevin, his family or getting any money back but what about Keith? He's seemed to drop off the face of the earth as I've not heard anything from him in like two years I think.

John

Like most roaches, he scurried off when the lights shined on him.

He'll be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life.

Call your lawyer if you want info on your case ( I think you hired him also, correct?).

Bankruptcy stuff should be coming to conclusion soon last I checked. I am not sure why you keep thinking things are over? Court found that all the money he stole is on him for life, court found others on the hook also, and court even recovered some funds... if you were owed and have filed proof of your claim then you should be all good and now just sitting and waiting till civil cases can pick back up. Then collection. Whom knows, criminal is still out there and often starts back up now that the state has discovered so much during the bankruptcy.

Not pinball but wow.

I'm so sorry for everyone that lost so much money in this game, and I know this wont solve your problem. But just so you know, you can get free admission to a new pinball arcade opening in Brookfield Illinois that is going to have the one and only Predator machine ever created.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=x7FBp3xlDic

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Also I don’t think a few free plays on a half completed and bogus game is going to take the sting away from someone losing $1000s.

I'd take a swing by that arcade for a spin on it if I was in the area. Better than it sitting in some Michigan basement.