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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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#14701 2 years ago
Quoted from cliff_clavin:

wishful thinking I am afraid...I think we would have gotten a post from Keith indicating such good news...but never hurts to hope...

No I meant if they had the meeting in court instead of the office he could have been escorted in his new cell.

#14702 2 years ago

Exchange rate is 19 pesos with Mexico right now. He might be the country's latest millionaire.

#14703 2 years ago
Quoted from MotorCityMatt:

Exchange rate is 19 pesos with Mexico right now. He might be the country's latest millionaire.

But that would imply that he's still got $50k. Kevin strikes me as more of the "thousandaire" type, regardless of what currency we're using.

#14705 2 years ago
Quoted from wizard_mode:

upon closer inspection

Got one with KK peering out the side window?

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#14706 2 years ago

I'm sure you are tired of me posting this by now, but no new updates as of just now.

#14707 2 years ago

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#14708 2 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I'm sure you are tired of me posting this by now, but no new updates as of just now.

Not tired of you posting at all. I really appreciate your updates and checking to see if anything new is posted.

Plus you posting cuts down on all of the "Anything new yet?" posts.

Thanks, Wolf!

#14709 2 years ago

I wonder if there was a agreement made on disclosure to the public now?

#14710 2 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

I'm sure you are tired of me posting this by now, but no new updates as of just now.

Quoted from pinlink:

Not tired of you posting at all.

Agree with pinlink. Please don't think or assume that your posts are not wanted. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Thank you!

#14711 2 years ago
Quoted from MotorCityMatt:

I wonder if there was a agreement made on disclosure to the public now?

The last meeting wasn't in a public courtroom apparently; it was in Keith's office.

#14713 2 years ago
Quoted from chadderack:

The last meeting wasn't in a public courtroom apparently; it was in Keith's office.

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#14714 2 years ago
Quoted from chadderack:

The last meeting wasn't in a public courtroom apparently; it was in Keith's office.

Yeah, I heard about that place.
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#14715 2 years ago

As I understand it, the reason why there were recordings at all previously was that the court recorder made them. Not sure if Keith or someone else would record the proceedings at his own office. That's not been made clear.

#14716 2 years ago
Quoted from chadderack:

As I understand it, the reason why there were recordings at all previously was that the court recorder made them. Not sure if Keith or someone else would record the proceedings at his own office. That's not been made clear.

I'd be happy with a 5 sentence synopsis.

#14717 2 years ago
Quoted from chadderack:

As I understand it, the reason why there were recordings at all previously was that the court recorder made them. Not sure if Keith or someone else would record the proceedings at his own office. That's not been made clear.

I think everyone's hoping for some kind of recording, but really all we're expecting is just the facts of what happened from Pacer or possibly (not probably) from Keith.

Of course, now that I think about it, would a deposition even appear on Pacer? Or are you guys just looking for KK getting arrested for not showing up/not producing records?

#14718 2 years ago

Speculation, stayed at a holiday inn express, yadayada.
KK didn't show up. Keith has to present this to the judge. Judge needs to send out the po-po. Not being talked about for obvious reasons.

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#14719 2 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

I think everyone's hoping for some kind of recording, but really all we're expecting is just the facts of what happened from Pacer or possibly (not probably) from Keith.
Of course, now that I think about it, would a deposition even appear on Pacer? Or are you guys just looking for KK getting arrested for not showing up/not producing records?

In short I doubt we get anyhing from the depositions last week unless there was a court recorder there. I am sure they are on tape but unlikely to be transcribed unless Keith has am admin with some downtime.

I can give a brief summary of how it went in my head.

Kulecks both show up in pajamas and wearing stupid hats they think make them look cool or more 'witchy'. They have noticably more tattoos than the last time they were seen in public. They both tell a few lies, get caught up in a few other lies from previous depositions, incriminate themselves futher for future pending criminal proceedings, likely toss a few more people under the bus (seems to be their current though process of how they think they will get out of this), and in general can't account for where the 500k went. They make excuses and blame others.

Luckily this all leads to more help for the trustee to identify and recover assests.
I am guessing the next thing to show up on Pacer will be more motions to start talking to a few more people that were sent money?

At this stage I think the trustee just works to find the money and go get it. The more they get, the better shot we all eventually see .50 on the dollar.

#14720 2 years ago

side note: I am personally looking for info regarding where the 10 playfields and other various Predator parts went.

I was told that allegedly Kevin sold a whole bunch of stuff to a guy (in IL?). We know for sure that the guy in IL then resold some of this stuff as we know Clay has a 'non-Kevin' built game/ playfields based on his own admission plus I know a few other people with some of these parts.

I would like to find and talk to this Guy in IL.

I have $300 cold hard cash for anyone that can provide me the contact info for this 'guy in IL'
I am happy to keep you annonymous and wont drag you in to any proceedings. If you want, then set up a throw away email and send me a message with details. Once I verify the guy is correct, I will paypal gift that account the $300 or however you want to receive the funds (tell me to leave it under a machine at MGC at a specific time and walk away, lol; however you want).

I know there are multiple people that know whom the 'guy in IL' is but they are all want to avoid being drug into the matter (understandably). I have been contacted by 2 people in MI but they are afraid of the potential repercussions from a large collector in MI with parts and dont want to be involved for fear of being blacklisted from group events (again, I get it. We are a small community and nobody wants to be booted from events in your region of the community because you make a few collectors that procured parts the wrong way, pissed off)

I figured that offering some cash and a way to stay annonymous may help get me the information I seek.

This is all for the long term benefit of recovering more assets that rightfully should be auctioned and then have those funds go to the estate, so the people that got screwed can get back some funds.

#14721 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

I have $300 cold hard cash for anyone that can provide me the contact info for this 'guy in IL'
I am happy to keep you annonymous and wont drag you in to any proceedings. If you want, then set up a throw away email and send me a message with details. Once I verify the guy is correct, I will paypal gift that account the $300 or however you want to receive the funds (tell me to leave it under a machine at MGC at a specific time and walk away, lol; however you want).

Why would anyone would get involved in this shitstorm for a measly $300?

#14722 2 years ago
Quoted from PoMC:

Why would anyone would get involved in this shitstorm for a measly $300?

That is actually a pretty typical finders fee for this sort of info.
In case you missed it, I am providing the option to stay completely annonymous. It is very easy to set up a throw away email account to send off some info. Also very easy to have money sent annonymously in todays world.

There are a few people in MI that have already reached out to me and want to help but have expressed fear of repercussion for doing so. Seems like an easy way to make $300 cash for almost zero effort and the ability to remain completely out of anything.

More amazing to me is that there seems to be lots of people that know behind the scenes stuff and they are afraid to get involved and be a hero among the 200+ people that were screwed.

The reality is that those 10 playfields could have been legally procured by people that desired to build their own game. They could have waited for the legal proceedings and eventual auction of the assets, but those people opted to circumvent the pre-order people and take advantage when the option came along to buy. A stand up person is the one that sees this wrong and can easily right it by annonymously providing a name of the original buyer and reseller. Bonus that they get $300 for a little info.

#14723 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

In short I doubt we get anyhing from the depositions last week unless there was a court recorder there. I am sure they are on tape but unlikely to be transcribed unless Keith has am admin with some downtime.
I can give a brief summary of how it went in my head.
Kulecks both show up in pajamas and wearing stupid hats they think make them look cool or more 'witchy'. They have noticably more tattoos than the last time they were seen in public. They both tell a few lies, get caught up in a few other lies from previous depositions, incriminate themselves futher for future pending criminal proceedings, likely toss a few more people under the bus (seems to be their current though process of how they think they will get out of this), and in general can't account for where the 500k went. They make excuses and blame others.
Luckily this all leads to more help for the trustee to identify and recover assests.
I am guessing the next thing to show up on Pacer will be more motions to start talking to a few more people that were sent money?
At this stage I think the trustee just works to find the money and go get it. The more they get, the better shot we all eventually see .50 on the dollar.
I can tell you right now that anything I recover will be used to send a gift to my favorite lawyer

Hey, is Keith doing this as a volunteer? I assumed he was getting paid but your comment about giving him a gift makes me re-consider?

#14724 2 years ago

Keith is getting paid.

#14725 2 years ago

Go to https://10minutemail.com/
Create an email address
Send email, tell him to donate the cash to pinside/Make a Wish/ACLU/whatever
Email account expires (after 10 minutes)
Done deal.

#14726 2 years ago
Quoted from wizard_mode:

Hey, is Keith doing this as a volunteer? I assumed he was getting paid but your comment about giving him a gift makes me re-consider?

typically the way it works is anyone appointed to work for the trustee is getting paid a set amount based on what they work.
For the civil case there is a contract for what he makes based on amount recovered.

#14727 2 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Keith is getting paid.

you always know so much about this, but dont really know anything about this

More accurately, Keith is able to bill for his time.
Getting paid is a while different thing than billing.

#14728 2 years ago

Er, so is he getting paid, or not?

#14729 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

a large collector in MI with parts ... fear of being blacklisted from group events

Scratching my head on this one... that's a really subtle description.

#14730 2 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Er, so is he getting paid, or not?

nobody gets paid till assets are recovered.

Lots of people now have non-dischargable claims. Getting paid is a whole next step

#14732 2 years ago

Keith is entitled to get paid for his services under the bankruptcy laws since he's working on behalf of the trustee. That's why in some of the recordings you hear discussion about what he has filed for expenses/etc. But the whole trustee thing is funded by taking a piece of the estate that is liquidated.

Everyone fights for the same pool of money.. but the trustee is near the front of the line Where a special consul is in that pecking order for the trustee's activities.. dunno.

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#14733 2 years ago

Nothing new as of now. Will check again later tonight.

#14734 2 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Keith is entitled to get paid for his services under the bankruptcy laws since he's working on behalf of the trustee. That's why in some of the recordings you hear discussion about what he has filed for expenses/etc. But the whole trustee thing is funded by taking a piece of the estate that is liquidated.
Everyone fights for the same pool of money.. but the trustee is near the front of the line Where a special consul is in that pecking order for the trustee's activities.. dunno.

Which means when this is all said and done, there may be very little left for Predator buyers. I would also wonder if anything is recovered wouldn't FOX want it or want it destroyed?

#14735 2 years ago
Quoted from vdojaq:

Which means when this is all said and done, there may be very little left for Predator buyers. I would also wonder if anything is recovered wouldn't FOX want it or want it destroyed?

When your starting point is you got nothing... and kevin faces no consequences for any of this.. EVERYTHING is an improvement.

So Keith and the Trustee get paid from recovered assets.. So what. It's better than paying Keith up front for years to chase people in civil lawsuits, collecting on judgments, and collection agencies FROM YOUR OWN MONEY... hoping to collect. Instead we a government entity doing all the heavy lifting for FREE up front working to get paid on the backside. Even if you get zero at the end... the work was done and those involved probably suffered alot instead of getting off without a scratch.

TL:DR - if you want action... someone has to pay the lawyers... and reality is this probably WAY cheaper for everyone.. and since the alternative is YOU GET NOTHING.. how can this be anything but a positive?

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#14736 2 years ago

I think Keith is recovering a heck of a lot more for the estate than his payment from the estate would ever come near. If people were going after Kevin without him would they get an RV, CNC, accoutrements, ... No they would get Kevin shrugging his shoulders in court saying he has nothing and a judge saying he can't squeeze blood from a stone. And [without Keith] the judge would probably not see the snake for what he is, give him the bankruptcy and release his debt.

Also the entertainment value of those court tape is priceless.

#14737 2 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

...accoutrements, ...

ADORNMENTS!!!

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#14738 2 years ago

I would not expect that Keith would want to be the person to divulge this information. Especially since one of Kevin's defenses (valid or not) is that an internet campaign against him is responsible for his being involved in these legal proceedings in the first place. It would certainly not be in Keiths interests or the best interests of the parties he represents to leak information about proceedings that took place in the privacy of his office.

Can you imagine how such an information leak with Keith as the source could be used by Kevin's defense team (?) to substantiate his claim that he is the victim of an internet crucifixion of his good name by a group on Pinside that Keith leads? Kevin could make up any reason he dreams up as to the cause, from nobody liking his hat to his admitting that maybe he sold some used games to people that were not happy with them. Do not give him that platform!

The point is simple....do not give Kevin any excuse to claim that he is a "victim". Keith is a seasoned attorney and is well aware of how a case can go south over giving a defendant a platform from which he can defend himself as a purported victim in front of a jury. Please everyone...just standby and wait for information to be disseminated via the proper legal channels.

#14739 2 years ago
Quoted from playernumber4:

substantiate his claim that he is the victim of an internet crucifixion of his good name by a group on Pinside

You mean this whole Thread??

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#14740 2 years ago

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#14741 2 years ago

Is this good news or bad news??

#14742 2 years ago
Quoted from spfxted:

Is this good news or bad news??

I just meant there are no new documents on Pacer. Still just waiting for any news.

#14743 2 years ago

Maybe someone could swing by Mr Kulek's place and ask him how it went.
Just dont go by during school hours ...

#14744 2 years ago

The Secret Word Of The Day is...

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#14745 2 years ago
Quoted from jasonp:

Maybe someone could swing by Mr Kulek's place and ask him how it went.
Just dont go by during school hours ...

leave that to the Marshalls. No need to potentially get yourself in trouble for harrassment.

Also, since Mr. Kuleck has madeit a point to let the courts know he has a gun, we definatley want to leave that job to the Marshalls.

#14746 2 years ago

Kevin probably went to go live with his father....

#14747 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

leave that to the Marshalls. No need to potentially get yourself in trouble for harrassment.
Also, since Mr. Kuleck has madeit a point to let the courts know he has a gun, we definatley want to leave that job to the Marshalls.

Everyone in Michigan now carries a gun, watch these two dumb asses.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/video-shows-heated-confrontation-with-armed-officers-in-dearborn-police-station-open-carry-case

#14748 2 years ago

Those idiots in Michigan should have been shot....trying to provoke the police into a response....I hope they spend some time in jail....

#14749 2 years ago
Quoted from cliff_clavin:

Those idiots in Michigan should have been shot....trying to provoke the police into a response....I hope they spend some time in jail....

Anytime someone goes looking for trouble, they usually find it.

#14750 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

Also, since Mr. Kuleck has madeit a point to let the courts know he has a gun

Made it a point?? He was asked by Keith if he owned a gun. Keith brought it up, not Kevin.

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