Hilarious
Quoted from T-800:Remind me again why people have public Facebook profiles???
Because they're idiots.
I got way behind on this thread, and just recently listened to the entire audio recording of the last court hearing.
I have taken hundreds of depositions. When I do my deposition summary for my client, I have to give them my impressions of the deponent, including what I think of their veracity. There have definitely been times when I have told the client that the deponent appeared to be mostly credible, and I turned out to be completely wrong (client gets sub rosa video of them doing things that they said that they couldn't do), and this shows that some people are pretty good at coming across as being credible and you can't really tell that they are lying, even though they are.
Then there are people like Kevin Kulek.
I would be hard pressed to remember a deposition where I thought the deponent was lying through his teeth like Kevin was during this court hearing. Absolutely incredible. And I mean without knowing a single fact about the case, you can tell that he is lying just by listening to him speak.
Literally unbelievable!
Quoted from RobT:I got way behind on this thread, and just recently listened to the entire audio recording of the last court hearing.
I have taken hundreds of depositions. When I do my deposition summary for my client, I have to give them my impressions of the deponent, including what I think of their veracity. There have definitely been times when I have told the client that the deponent appeared to be mostly credible, and I turned out to be completely wrong (client gets sub rosa video of them doing things that they said that they couldn't do), and this shows that some people are pretty good at coming across as being credible and you can't really tell that they are lying, even though they are.
Then there are people like Kevin Kulek.
I would be hard pressed to remember a deposition where I thought the deponent was lying through his teeth like Kevin was during this court hearing. Absolutely incredible. And I mean without knowing a single fact about the case, you can tell that he is lying just by listening to him speak.
Literally unbelievable!
Did you think OJ was credible in the well publicized 1996 Trial?
I know bait when I see it. Let the "experts" figure it out. Otherwise, the creditors will be paying a chunk of change for unnecessary subpoenas.
Then again, what do I know....
Quoted from MrBally:I know bait when I see it. Let the "experts" figure it out. Otherwise, the creditors will be paying a chunk of change for unnecessary subpoenas.
Then again, what do I know....
....that subpoenas are actually very inexpensive?
Quoted from RobT:....that subpoenas are actually very inexpensive?
If the legal team is doing the work gratis, then I agree. Otherwise, figure another hour billed, the customary fee for research that the institution charges even if nothing is found. Or, the buck per page fee. Don't forget postage, registered mail, return receipt requested. All of a sudden, BAM! another plaintiff's deposit is gone.
At least this type of subpoena does not require delivery by a Court Officer. Then another fee gets assessed.
Quoted from MrBally:If the legal team is doing the work gratis, then I agree. Otherwise, figure another hour billed, the customary fee for research that the institution charges even if nothing is found. Or, the buck per page fee. Don't forget postage, registered mail, return receipt requested. All of a sudden, BAM! another plaintiff's deposit is gone.
At least this type of subpoena does not require delivery by a Court Officer. Then another fee gets assessed.
I dont think you understand the motivation of many of us at this stage.
Is a gofundme appropriate for this type of legal action?
$10 x a few hundred pinheads is not chump change. I know the first court recording was worth wayyyy more than $10 in entertainment value
Quoted from flynnibus:Is a gofundme appropriate for this type of legal action?
$10 x a few hundred pinheads is not chump change. I know the first court recording was worth wayyyy more than $10 in entertainment value
That would be fun, but I am wondering if it would be legal? Keith?
(and to tell the truth, it *is* way more entertaining than $10... but not (yet) at $4,750 level entertainment as in my case !)
Quoted from Whysnow:I dont think you understand the motivation of many of us at this stage.
Agreed.
Quoted from flynnibus:Is a gofundme appropriate for this type of legal action?
$10 x a few hundred pinheads is not chump change. I know the first court recording was worth wayyyy more than $10 in entertainment value
I don't usually agree with Flynnbus on anything, but I definitely concur that I would pay $10 just for the already provided entertainment. Way better value than your typical movie theater admission.
Wow - he made RobT laugh in another thread and me to agree in another - all in one day. He's on a ROLL!
Jaz
The homeschool word of the week is: schadenfreude
Definition: a feeling of joy that comes from seeing or hearing about another persons misfortune,troubles or failures.
Quoted from flynnibus:I know the first court recording was worth wayyyy more than $10 in entertainment value
Quoted from Jazman:I definitely concur that I would pay $10 just for the already provided entertainment.
Jaz
I think crowd funding would be a great idea if it is required to continue this action. I think we should look at it as a "band of pinball brothers" coming together to hammer Kevin and we shouldn't look at it as "entertainment" all thought it is pretty interesting. As much justice/jail time for Kevin would be a worthy project to fund. I would contribute if needed to see this through to a satisfactory conclusion for the pinball community.
Crushing this little shit should primary. The "entertainment" should secondary.
QSS
If a crowd fund is needed to crush Kevin, let's do it. Then lets crowd fund a Jpoop destruction fund after that.
QSS
If people want to really help, please help me find someone that can verify if/where Kevin or his associates have a route operation in the region he lives. I am offering 500 bucks for information/verification of this and guessing if that amount grows then someone (maybe even one of his friends) will be looking to make some side cash in exchange for information.
I have already recieved annonymous phone calls from some of his friends or previous friends with information. I just need some verification of this information.
If people want to add to that initial finders fee then feel free.
Quoted from Whysnow:If people want to really help, please help me find someone that can verify if/where Kevin or his associates have a route operation in the region he lives. I am offering 500 bucks for information/verification of this and guessing if that amount grows then someone (maybe even one of his friends) will be looking to make some side cash in exchange for information.
I have already recieved annonymous phone calls from some of his friends or previous friends with information. I just need some verification of this information.
If people want to add to that initial finders fee then feel free.
Sweet baby jesus. Remind me not to piss you off.
Quoted from Whysnow:am offering 500 bucks for information/verification of this and guessing if that amount grows then someone (maybe even one of his friends) will be looking to make some side cash in exchange for information.
Heck, his dad may come out of hiding a turn him in for that.
Quoted from TigerLaw:Heck, his dad may come out of hiding a turn him in for that.
This made me laugh out loud!
Quoted from maddog14:Sweet baby jesus. Remind me not to piss you off.
As much as I supported this sham at the start, I have twice the voracity and determination on the back end. I am likely one of the most loyal people you will ever meet. Burn that loyalty and i will do everything within legal means to take a guy down. It is how it works in my family and what i was taught from my father. I could tell many stories but with my pops, he was not a law fearing man so it rarely ended well for the other person (he was 6'5 over 350 and pure strength). I play by the rules and have found it to have a more lasting satisfaction.
Quoted from TigerLaw:Heck, his dad may come out of hiding a turn him in for that.
lol...that's great.
Quoted from damageinc55:When is the next deadline?
The judge mentioned something about giving them 3 weeks to annotate all of the entries in the Excel sheet (match receipts/names/check numbers/etc to the lines in the bank statements).
Quoted from labnip:wiccan bump
Does that mean we can 'christian bump' other things?
Quoted from Coyote:Does that mean we can 'christian bump' other things?
good point... but i'm not familiar with that particular cult
Quoted from Whysnow:If people want to really help, please help me find someone that can verify if/where Kevin or his associates have a route operation in the region he lives. I am offering 500 bucks for information/verification of this and guessing if that amount grows then someone (maybe even one of his friends) will be looking to make some side cash in exchange for information.
I have already recieved annonymous phone calls from some of his friends or previous friends with information. I just need some verification of this information.
If people want to add to that initial finders fee then feel free.
Start adding Kevin or his wife's friends on an alt Facebook account. I'm sure more than a few would know where the other machines are. A bit of cash would likely get you photos and addresses of where the machines are.
A Facebook account with a picture of somebody covered with mud, leaning up against a lifted pickup truck, and missing some teeth is all the camouflage you'd need.
Quoted from Coyote:Does that mean we can 'christian bump' other things?
Dont let RobT see this!
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:Dont let RobT see this!
Hey, legally, Wiccan is a religion. Just sayin'!
Back on-topic, re: Kevin's Operator business - wouldn't there be a tax record? Doesn't Michigan or the county there require a license and yearly fee for games/vending?
Quoted from Coyote:Hey, legally, Wiccan is a religion. Just sayin'!
Back on-topic, re: Kevin's Operator business - wouldn't there be a tax record? Doesn't Michigan or the county there require a license and yearly fee for games/vending?
Friendly wager that he didn't register and pay for such a license?
One would guess the guy he was photographed with strolling through the auction, buying route games, is the guy that does all the pickups of cash and is probably the one who also is registered with the state license. Kevin pays for route equipment, skinny guy picks up route cash and pays Kevin under the table (aka tax free).
Quoted from Nibbles:buying route games
How many games did the pirate buy that day???
Quoted from Nibbles:One would guess the guy he was photographed with strolling through the auction, buying route games, is the guy that does all the pickups of cash and is probably the one who also is registered with the state license. Kevin pays for route equipment, skinny guy picks up route cash and pays Kevin under the table (aka tax free).
that would be a good guess if I were to guess...
Quoted from Coyote:wouldn't there be a tax record? Doesn't Michigan or the county there require a license and yearly fee for games/vending?
Tax records, Ha! I can tell you were never involved in the cash business of Operating amusement equipment in Mid-Michigan.
As for licensing, it is usually the city/municipality that licenses equipment. The rural areas are so easy to coast under the radar as many places have Cherry Masters and video poker machines.
Quoted from MrBally:Tax records, Ha! I can tell you were never involved in the cash business of Operating amusement equipment in Mid-Michigan.
As for licensing, it is usually the city/municipality that licenses equipment. The rural areas are so easy to coast under the radar as many places have Cherry Masters and video poker machines.
Interesting to know. When I was an operator in Colorado and Georgia - even in rural areas, those county folks were *meticulous* at finding unlicensed games and impounding them.
Quoted from Coyote:When I was an operator in Colorado and Georgia - even in rural areas, those county folks were *meticulous* at finding unlicensed games and impounding them.
Well, when The Mob isn't already established in an area, a "mob" with badge of office takes its place.
Seriously though, it's a cultural thing. Around here the bored goody-two-shoes and Bible thumpers would be rooting out anything offensive to baby jeebus. Whereas in the unwashed heathen north, things are a little more liberally "established"
(I say this as a "yank" Chicago an transplanted to the Paradox State of KY, so my "offesnive" comments are made in self-effacing jest )
Quoted from Whysnow:I have already recieved annonymous phone calls from some of his friends or previous friends with information. I just need some verification of this information.
Did any of those callers mention a machine in this place? It's on State St. in Saginaw, Michigan.
Quoted from goingincirclez:I say this as a "yank" Chicago an transplanted to the Paradox State of KY,
Hey now! Don't be disparaging our wonderful Commonwealth. We've got our peculiarities, but by and large, Kentucky folk are good people.
My uncle was also a "Yankee transplant", who came here to just temporarily check things out. He bad-mouthed us for a few weeks saying we were ignorant hillbillys, etc., but . . . 5 years later he was still here and saying he would NEVER go back 'up North'. He totally changed his tune. He loved the bucolic life-style and even learned to speak 'southern'.
Travel, sight-see, eat, and scope out Kentucky. You might find it is not such a paradox. I don't even know what that word means. Did you mean to type 'pair of socks'?!
Quoted from Pintucky:Hey now! Don't be disparaging our wonderful Commonwealth. We've got our peculiarities, but by and large, Kentucky folk are good people.
My uncle was also a "Yankee transplant", who came here to just temporarily check things out. He bad-mouthed us for a few weeks saying we were ignorant hillbillys, etc., but . . . 5 years later he was still here and saying he would NEVER go back 'up North'. He totally changed his tune. He loved the bucolic life-style and even learned to speak 'southern'.
Travel, sight-see, eat, and scope out Kentucky. You might find it is not such a paradox. I don't even know what that word means. Did you mean to type 'pair of socks'?!
Kentucky is legit.
Quoted from Pintucky:Hey now! Don't be disparaging our wonderful Commonwealth. We've got our peculiarities, but by and large, Kentucky folk are good people.
Ah no worries my friend... I've been here almost half my life, and pretty much most of my adult one. Forging my own family here... it ain't perfect but it's more home now than the city I loved but left. I like it here, have met some fantastic people, and give back where I can. The state is my employer so it's not like I could look down my nose if I wanted to. I'm actually pretty humble.
As for the "paradox", well... don't get me started or I'll hijack this thread. Suffice to say, this bellwether conservative state talks out of both sides of its mouth constantly: Baptists say alcohol is TA DEVIL and 'wet' votes are contested annually - but all hail the High Tide of Bourbon!... Gambling is TA DEVIL but who'd give two shits about horse racing if Churchill and Keeneland didn't pay out trifectas... Smoking is TA DEVIL but hey, that was our number one industry and people STILL support it inspite of all evidence to the contrary... Gotta have tha separation of Church and State, but the state can spend millions of dollars on tax breaks for a Noah's Ark replica.... People talk about down-home cooking and slow-time family values but god forbid you have to drive more than 20 miles between Cracker Barrels... and let's not mention the politics...
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