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#13751 2 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

This is another example of where terminology in a bankruptcy case can get confusing. ...
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Quite deft description of everything for the layperson. Well done.

#13752 2 years ago
Quoted from KeithinMI:

a 727(a)(10) stipulated denial of discharge does not 'dismiss' the bankruptcy petition. In a case with a denial of discharge, the Trustee is still charged with administering the Estate of the debtor and gathering non-exempt assets for benefit of the estate (creditors).

wheee!!!! so the fun continues

I guess the next question is.. is the list of creditors ready and are their claims validated?

It would seem since there is a lot of debate on how much money Kevin actually took in.. I would assume the list of creditors and debts is still yet to be agreed upon in court?

I know you mentioned in court about the deadlines being extended, etc.. but doesn't everyone need to line up their claims yet? That would be interesting reading...

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#13753 2 years ago
Quoted from Crash:

Starting at the one hour mark was pure gold. Loved Keith's laser-like precision in asking the important questions and how he left Kevin speechless and stuttering to come up with, "I don't know" and "I believe so..."

coming up into my 29th year of trial experience--

I had no idea the Judge was going to go into the area of income. As such, I had nothing prepared for that avenue of questioning. That was all done 'off-the-cuff'.

Legend....

#13754 2 years ago

With Kevin having admitted to taking in at least $500K (@ around 1:05:00 in the recording) it would seem foolish in a bankruptcy case that he started himself not to be able to show where that $500K went. Then again, there's no evidence that he can make good decisions anyway.

#13755 2 years ago
Quoted from KeithinMI:

Quite daft description of everything for the layperson. Well done.

*daft = deft?

Sorry, not trying to be a grammar Nazi, I was just a bit confused on the first read. I assume you are not being sarcastic.

#13756 2 years ago
Quoted from songofsixpence:

*daft = deft?
Sorry, not trying to be a grammar Nazi, I was just a bit confused on the first read. I assume you are not being sarcastic.

deft is correct. bad typing on my behalf. corrected

#13757 2 years ago
Quoted from maffewl:

Therefore, either A.) he didn't purchase, isn't lying, and doesn't need the 5th, or B.) he did purchase it, lied under oath (crime), and doesn't want to testify against himself, and the 5th applies.

You are forgetting about the "Middle truth" . . .

"I did not purchase her an RV" . . translates to . . . "I only gave her the money she needed to buy it"

#13758 2 years ago
Quoted from rosh:

You are forgetting about the "Middle truth" . . .
"I did not purchase her an RV" . . translates to . . . "I only gave her the money she needed to buy it"

That would make sense as his mom was the 'artist' of predator so my guess is she got paid but probably never filed taxes for said earnings.

#13759 2 years ago

So her payment was the $35k RV?

#13760 2 years ago
Quoted from Pinballs:

So her payment was the $35k RV?

No that was probably just a gift. I believe Kevin paid her plenty before the RV even entered the picture.

#13761 2 years ago

Kevin fits the 'daft' part . . .

At first, I thought Keith was indicating Kevin couldn't hear well = def (deaf) or as some people say here . . . 'deef'!!!

#13762 2 years ago
Quoted from rosh:

You are forgetting about the "Middle truth" . . .
"I did not purchase her an RV" . . translates to . . . "I only gave her the money she needed to buy it"

That's a good point. He can dance around the verbiage and semantics all he wants, that won't change the facts. And I have a feeling lady justice doesn't care if he gave her the money and she purchased it, or he wrote the check himself. If it was money placed by investors for a specific product, that doesn't translate to the RV for mom charity.

#13763 2 years ago
Quoted from SirScott:

Will be interesting to hear what Kathy Kulek's story is related to the Dutchmen, and hopefully under oath.
So maybe Mommy will drive Kevvy to court, but will she lie for him under oath? Inquiring minds want to know.

She was hoping for K to go to jail so she could get herself a mail-order Syrian husband.

Looks like that plan may have just gone into the toilet....

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#13764 2 years ago

The thread reaches a new low.

#13765 2 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

She was hoping for K to go to jail so she could get herself a mail-order Syrian husband.
Looks like that plan may have just gone into the toilet....

Kathy is the mom.

Amanda is the wife.

BOTH were part of SkitB and are going down also if I have things my way.

#13766 2 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

BOTH were part of SkitB and are going down also if I have things my way.

From your mouth to God's ears.

#13767 2 years ago

Didn't someone have a story about the early days, and Mom talking about buying a couch with pre-order money?

#13768 2 years ago
Quoted from damageinc55:

Didn't someone have a story about the early days, and Mom talking about buying a couch with pre-order money?

That sounds real familiar. Something like her being at a show and heard saying to someone she got new furniture out of this deal or something.

#13769 2 years ago
Quoted from Taxman:

That sounds real familiar. Something like her being at a show and heard saying to someone she got new furniture out of this deal or something.

Ashley, Value City or Ikea?

#13770 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Ashley, Value City or Ikea?

I think the furniture store choices are Autozone or Pepboys.

#13771 2 years ago

What ever happened to the memorialized TZ he brought to mpe a few years back?

How much did Mike and Tim buy in the pre bankruptcy liquidation? Will they be forced to give it back?

#13773 2 years ago
Quoted from galaxian:

What ever happened to the memorialized TZ he brought to mpe a few years back?
How much did Mike and Tim buy in the pre bankruptcy liquidation? Will they be forced to give it back?

It's not stolen property. Unless they were in collusion with Kevin (which I believe would be a criminal act and handled completely differently), it would be extremely difficult for them to get it back.

What likely will happen is that Kevin will be responsible for the full value of whatever that stuff is worth and it will be added to his assets that's he's going to be responsible for (since it is not being discharged).

This whole fiasco is just incredible to watch unfold...

Jaz

#13774 2 years ago

does "middle truth" = "alternative facts"?

#13775 2 years ago
Quoted from galaxian:

What ever happened to the memorialized TZ he brought to mpe a few years back?

Please explain - this is new to me, and I have not previously heard anything about it.

#13776 2 years ago

Can someone summarize who the supposed employees were?

Kathy - Mom
Amanda - Wife
Aaron - Partner?
????? - and the rest on Gilligan's Island

#13777 2 years ago
Quoted from damageinc55:

Didn't someone have a story about the early days, and Mom talking about buying a couch with pre-order money?

I'd like to hear more background on the uses of that sofa.

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#13778 2 years ago
Quoted from galaxian:

How much did Mike and Tim buy in the pre bankruptcy liquidation? Will they be forced to give it back?

Quoted from Jazman:

It's not stolen property. Unless they were in collusion with Kevin (which I believe would be a criminal act and handled completely differently), it would be extremely difficult for them to get it back.

Tim Fife is a defendant in an adversary proceeding filed a month ago by Keith Nathanson, Special Litigation Counsel for the Chapter 7 Trustee, requesting the avoidance of a fraudulent transfer of real property under 11 USC 548(a)(1)(A), with actual intent. In the motion, Keith is claiming that the transfer of the two pinball machines by Kevin (Debtor) to Tim (Defendant) was made with the actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud creditors.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/252#post-3521151

Quoted from Razorbak86:

Count 1 in the Fife motion is requesting the avoidance of a fraudulent transfer of real property under 11 USC 548(a)(1)(A), with actual intent...
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§548. Fraudulent transfers and obligations
(a)(1) The trustee may avoid any transfer (including any transfer to or for the benefit of an insider under an employment contract) of an interest of the debtor in property, or any obligation (including any obligation to or for the benefit of an insider under an employment contract) incurred by the debtor, that was made or incurred on or within 2 years before the date of the filing of the petition, if the debtor voluntarily or involuntarily—
(A) made such transfer or incurred such obligation with actual intent to hinder, delay, or defraud any entity to which the debtor was or became, on or after the date that such transfer was made or such obligation was incurred, indebted; or
https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title11/html/USCODE-2011-title11-chap5-subchapIII-sec548.htm

#13779 2 years ago
Quoted from KeithinMI:

does "middle truth" = "alternative facts"?

Actually, I think "middle truth" was the language of Goblins and Orcs...

#13780 2 years ago

If I remember correctly Kevin said he loaded the games to Tim for development purposes. Tim said he bought them. If Tim did buy them they would be his and Kevin responsible for reporting the sale. But since Tim does not have receipt they should still be considered Skit-B property and part of the estate.

Quoted from galaxian:

What ever happened to the memorialized TZ he brought to mpe a few years back?
How much did Mike and Tim buy in the pre bankruptcy liquidation? Will they be forced to give it back?

Keith is asking about this. So if you have details you should probably PM with him. If not find out someone who knows. The more details that can be provided to Keith the more fun we have listening to Kevin explain this stuff to a judge.

#13781 2 years ago

ok this will be a long post with lots of summaries - mom's 2nd marriage lasted almost 30 years - she had cancer - those of you local know she moved into my gameroom and we took care of her. 2nd husband basically abandoned her - once she died they were worth about 2 million - a 40 year old prositute got her hands on him when he moved back to st croix (mom lived in st croix).

he was a grest guy until he abandoned my mom - i stopped talking to him - this new prositute robbed him blind - he was holder of 1st mortgage on rt146 auto and i was holder of 2nd. being a 2nd mortgage holder sucks (never do it) - anyway i gave the money to rt 146 to pay off 1st mortgage, and now i became 1st mortgage holder about 2 years ago as she robbed him blind and they filed for bankruptcy. 1st she called herself his daughter - and then she married in - we could write a book about this - but back to the summary.

my brother who also lived in st croix was one of the creditors owed - so they would have been able to file for bankruptcy with no issues until my brother heard i bought the 1st mortgage and they got a big payment during the bankruptcy period - so he flew to the states and got copies from the town hall - he was also given records from the attorney who handled it - wire payment proofs.

he brought it to the hearings - they denied it - he then showed the judge the proof - needless to say they lied on the stand - they did not get the bankruptcy and a trustee or whatever liquidated everything they had - which was a house they lived in - a former hotel that had many rentals, and some other rental property - along with other things. so now they are homeless and broke - but i want to point out they are not in jail and nothing happened to them. they (basically her as he has lost most of his brain now - he doesn't even recognize anybody).

so hopefully michigan judges are a lot tougher - and please don't get away from topic here and tell me how a guardian should have been appointed to keep her from robbing him - because my brother tried - he spent 40K in court costs and it's almost impossible to get guardianship out in st croix - so needless to say my brother and sister won't get any inheritance when he dies as she took it all - i was the executive of the will - but the day we buried my mom i had told him to take me off of it, and out of it as i never wanted to see him again as he abandoned my mom. today i have to live with the fact that i know he trusted me enough where i could have stopped this thief from robbing him blind.

my mom was a smart lady and she knew this woman was going to rob him as it started while she was with me and he was in st croix - she was a former tenant of theirs who my mom evicted for not paying - my mom wanted to sign everything over to me (her 1/2) and i wouldn't let her - i didn't want her going to her grave thinking she couldn't trust her husband. i am still okay with my decision.

my sister throws it at me all the time - but that is only because she wanted to inherit the money - my feelings was it was his money to do whatever he wanted. people need to earn their own money and stop with the inheritance crap.

anyway i just wanted to write this as it's an example of committing perjury and nothing happened to her. for me i lost both my mom and bascially my father the same day as i considered him my father - but i could not forgive him for abandoning my mom - the good is my mom lived in my game room for a good year with the cancer - it was great - she would even play pinball. so i got to spend a year with her - better then the once or twice a year i would see her.

to those who wonder - yes he is still alive - my kids went out to st croix and grabbed a lot of my mom's paintings from their house a few months ago - he didn't even know who they were - he showed them pictures and said these are my grandkids - but even when they said grampa that's me - he is so lost as he has nothing left - he sits in a chair in his underwear and has no clue - the good is he is a was a bird in the military and has a good pension of almost 5k per month - we think when he dies she will bury him and not tell anybody so she can still collect the 5k monthly.

thanks ed

#13782 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Ashley, Value City or Ikea?

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#13783 2 years ago
Quoted from edcianci:

ok this will be a long post with lots of summaries - mom's 2nd marriage lasted almost 30 years - she had cancer - those of you local know she moved into my gameroom and we took care of her. 2nd husband basically abandoned her - once she died they were worth about 2 million - a 40 year old prositute got her hands on him when he moved back to st croix (mom lived in st croix).
he was a grest guy until he abandoned my mom - i stopped talking to him - this new prositute robbed him blind - he was holder of 1st mortgage on rt146 auto and i was holder of 2nd. being a 2nd mortgage holder sucks (never do it) - anyway i gave the money to rt 146 to pay off 1st mortgage, and now i became 1st mortgage holder about 2 years ago as she robbed him blind and they filed for bankruptcy. 1st she called herself his daughter - and then she married in - we could write a book about this - but back to the summary.
my brother who also lived in st croix was one of the creditors owed - so they would have been able to file for bankruptcy with no issues until my brother heard i bought the 1st mortgage and they got a big payment during the bankruptcy period - so he flew to the states and got copies from the town hall - he was also given records from the attorney who handled it - wire payment proofs.
he brought it to the hearings - they denied it - he then showed the judge the proof - needless to say they lied on the stand - they did not get the bankruptcy and a trustee or whatever liquidated everything they had - which was a house they lived in - a former hotel that had many rentals, and some other rental property - along with other things. so now they are homeless and broke - but i want to point out they are not in jail and nothing happened to them. they (basically her as he has lost most of his brain now - he doesn't even recognize anybody).
so hopefully michigan judges are a lot tougher - and please don't get away from topic here and tell me how a guardian should have been appointed to keep her from robbing him - because my brother tried - he spent 40K in court costs and it's almost impossible to get guardianship out in st croix - so needless to say my brother and sister won't get any inheritance when he dies as she took it all - i was the executive of the will - but the day we buried my mom i had told him to take me off of it, and out of it as i never wanted to see him again as he abandoned my mom. today i have to live with the fact that i know he trusted me enough where i could have stopped this thief from robbing him blind.
my mom was a smart lady and she knew this woman was going to rob him as it started while she was with me and he was in st croix - she was a former tenant of theirs who my mom evicted for not paying - my mom wanted to sign everything over to me (her 1/2) and i wouldn't let her - i didn't want her going to her grave thinking she couldn't trust her husband. i am still okay with my decision.
my sister throws it at me all the time - but that is only because she wanted to inherit the money - my feelings was it was his money to do whatever he wanted. people need to earn their own money and stop with the inheritance crap.
anyway i just wanted to write this as it's an example of committing perjury and nothing happened to her. for me i lost both my mom and bascially my father the same day as i considered him my father - but i could not forgive him for abandoning my mom - the good is my mom lived in my game room for a good year with the cancer - it was great - she would even play pinball. so i got to spend a year with her - better then the once or twice a year i would see her.
to those who wonder - yes he is still alive - my kids went out to st croix and grabbed a lot of my mom's paintings from their house a few months ago - he didn't even know who they were - he showed them pictures and said these are my grandkids - but even when they said grampa that's me - he is so lost as he has nothing left - he sits in a chair in his underwear and has no clue - the good is he is a was a bird in the military and has a good pension of almost 5k per month - we think when he dies she will bury him and not tell anybody so she can still collect the 5k monthly.
thanks ed

Wow, just wow, thanks for sharing and "points" well taken. Some people will screw you in a heartbeat.

#13784 2 years ago

In listening to the audio (makes the workday fly by, BTW), I keep hearing about the 5 laptops. In last week's audio file, it's asked if KK has personal bank accounts, to which he claims he has none. Then later KK is asked where he purchased the 5 laptops and he claims that he purchased them online, but can't remember from where.

Maybe I'm missing something (99% of the time that's a good possibility) I'm wondering how he's making purchases online without some sort of checking account or credit card.

#13785 2 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

In listening to the audio (makes the workday fly by, BTW), I keep hearing about the 5 laptops. In last week's audio file, it's asked if KK has personal bank accounts, to which he claims he has none. Then later KK is asked where he purchased the 5 laptops and he claims that he purchased them online, but can't remember from where.
Maybe I'm missing something (99% of the time that's a good possibility) I'm wondering how he's making purchases online without some sort of checking account or credit card.

"I used my wife's paypal account"

#13786 2 years ago
Quoted from Yoko2una:

In listening to the audio (makes the workday fly by, BTW), I keep hearing about the 5 laptops. In last week's audio file, it's asked if KK has personal bank accounts, to which he claims he has none. Then later KK is asked where he purchased the 5 laptops and he claims that he purchased them online, but can't remember from where.
Maybe I'm missing something (99% of the time that's a good possibility) I'm wondering how he's making purchases online without some sort of checking account or credit card.

I used my buddy's credit card and I paid him cash. Or, my job I had with Ziggy paid me with a juiced up debit card. Companies pay general labor with these cards when employees don't have a checking acCOuNt.

#13787 2 years ago

All of these possible scenarios can be verified with a receipt (which he stated he could get). Receipts typically show the last 4 digits of the card used for purchase.

#13788 2 years ago
Quoted from maffewl:

All of these possible scenarios can be verified with a receipt (which he stated he could get).

Ah well there we have it. If there's one thing we've learned is that Kevin is extremely diligent with his book keeping.
Of course his idea of a "reciept" is a piece of paper with a lowball number on it in his own handwriting.

#13789 2 years ago

I wonder if he has receipts from the cabinet guy. 100k+ spent and only a handful of empty cabs to show for it.

#13790 2 years ago
Quoted from maffewl:

All of these possible scenarios can be verified with a receipt (which he stated he could get). Receipts typically show the last 4 digits of the card used for purchase.

I doubt that he'll produce a receipt. I believe that his $80 per laptop estimate is much lower than what he actually paid.

#13791 2 years ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

I doubt that he'll produce a receipt. I believe that his $80 per laptop estimate is much lower than what he actually paid.

Maybe they were V-techs from Toys R Us

#13792 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Maybe they were V-techs from Toys R Us

I am always curious of your motives MrBally

#13793 2 years ago

"I can't remember where I ordered used laptops from online..."

Wouldn't that have a 99% chance of being eBay? It's like testifying in court you can't remember where you bought a Big Mac from.

(Also, WTF buys young kids laptops?)

#13794 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

(Also, WTF buys young kids laptops?)

My brother-in-law bought his daughter a netbook at 2 years old. his son he bought an iPad for at 2 as well. He's very technical and wanted his kids to have exposure to tech at an early age.

Now, most kids < 5 have iPads or LeapPad tablets. It's less guilt-inducing than having the kid zone out to PBS/Dora/Nickelodeon because "The apps are educational!"

I'm guilty of it as well. My 3 year old has a LeapPad. he's never on it for more than 30 minutes but that just might be his attention span. He definitely knows how to create the musical photo slideshows in the iOS photos app on mine and my wife's iPhones. When potty training, 2 minutes on the phone was the reward we'd give him.

#13795 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

(Also, WTF buys young kids laptops?)

Tons of people; it's 2017. And...I mean just listen to how cheap they are

#13796 2 years ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Tons of people; it's 2017. And...I mean just listen to how cheap they are

I'd more expect to see kids with tablets or smart phones, rather than laptops.

#13797 2 years ago
Quoted from benheck:

(Also, WTF buys young kids laptops?)

This was my thought exactly. I think it is more probable that Kevin “came across” these laptops somehow rather than having the idea to buy them for his small kids and *then* buying them. Just seems like a weird gift for such small kids, but then again Kevin is weird so who knows.

#13798 2 years ago
Quoted from ForceFlow:

I'd more expect to see kids with tablets or smart phones, rather than laptops.

I have NO IDEA why anyone associated with anything said in this thread keeps applying human attributes or situations on Kevin.

#13799 2 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

I used my buddy's credit card and I paid him cash. Or, my job I had with Ziggy paid me with a juiced up debit card. Companies pay general labor with these cards when employees don't have a checking acCOuNt.

You're slipping, MB. It's "COmpaNies."

#13800 2 years ago
Quoted from SirScott:

You're slipping, MB. It's "COmpaNies."

It depends on the CONtext.....

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