I'm still not exposing the source. I will say it was originally supplied by Kevin himself. Like I said, it's entirely possible it's not true. He has a history of lying.

The data is a PDF file of the VirtuaPin invoice for 270 sets of powdercoated stuff, and a list of check dates and amounts.

Not exactly sure Kevin is a source you want to use.

Don't forget, anyone can create invoices and bogus information on those invoices. All the factual information will be found on the bank statements. Pretty much auditing 101.

He's got paperwork to substantiate what he is posting. He's even said he's flat out that he hasn't substantiated the paperwork himself. It's got specific details of amounts and check numbers. The forensic accountants will vet it. But he's got enough of a reason to believe what he's saying is true to the best of his knowledge. If he wants to substantiate it further, he'll post the PDF.

The other party has come on and denied what's there. Also true to the best of his knowledge.

I think it's all fair game to post here.

Jaz

P.S. But what the hell do I know, I'm just a peon on a website...

Exactly, I could come up with a half dozen reasons why Kevin would fabricate that, for example, what better way to try to convince someone things were moving to production them showing invoices that look like items were purchased and paid for?

Mindboggling to think that after all we have learned and seen about Kevin, that anyone would hold up something provided by Kevin, without any other supporting docs/facts, as proof of anything, especially when using it to attack someone.

Show me the cashed, signed checks, and THEN you have a case. Even I can make you check numbers.

The Nigerians make pretty CONvincing "Official" checks.

I just want a picture of that sweet ass CNC machine

Meh, Harbor Freight will soon offer one with a 5' x 10' table for under $500.00

Some assembly required, bits extra, Chicago Electric brand.

I prefer to direct my vitriol (and ouija board demons) to the one that really deserves it. Some virtua cab builder dude across the pond i have no relationship with did not take money from me and promise to give it back over and over whilst having no intention to ever do so.

Nothing wrong with allegedly getting paid in small specific payments, adding up to six figs, and only having to make 10 $500 retail cabinets.

ALL pre-owners? Or just those with representation?

Anyone familiar with ZZZZ Best? That is exactly why no one should believe anything Kevin says or produces, that isn't an official document, i.e. - bank statements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Minkow

you have me wondering just how long before someone starts a Wiki on this......

anybody just get a copy of the proceedings and all the people he owes money to in the mail from a Charles Hodgson

thanks ed

Does he owe money to other people besides the people he scammed with predator?

Anyone know why Aaron Klumpp left Skit-B? I didn't know if that was public knowledge.

it's a list of everybody he owes money too - I am on the list - they are in alphabetical order by first name if anybody needs me to check if they are a creditor.

thanks ed

Almost assuredly. With few exceptions (e.g. student loans), outstanding debts don't survive the bankruptcy process, so everyone he owes money to including credit card debt, car loans, outstanding mortgages, the IRS, etc. is in line for their share of whatever assets are in the bankruptcy estate.

Bankruptcy has no bearing with the IRS.

Can someone pm me the list or just post if im on it? Mitchell A

While generally correct, I note a bankruptcy judge is a powerful guy and he has the power to hurl a lightening bolt through even the IRS...they do not exercise this power frequently but they do it from time to time (heck, they did it with GM...).

What are the chances that Kevin honestly reported his income to the IRS?

Once this is over, everyone should file a complaint to the IRS against Kevin.

Yep, got mine.

Yep, I see a name on the list that could be yours.

Got my notice today. But the amount is wrong. I took the punk to court and he owes me additional fees. Also, the balance due has been accruing interest since 5/19/2015.
Guess I'll have to make some calls tomorrow.

I guess Kevin forgot about what I payed him, that must be it.

How many names are on the list?

there are a lot of names - I have been asked to check for a lot of people and everybody but one was on it - the total is a little over 500k - 517866 to be exact.

thanks ed

it's in real small print so I had to use a mag glass just to check the names - it has an amount next to each name - most are 3k, some are 4750, others are 5k. there are a few that say 0, and also some that just say $250. I assume the 0 ones are the ones who got there money back, there is one for $15500 (that really stinks).

anyway everybody should get this in the mail if I did - I did not contract keith's services - I guess that was another bad decision in this predator mess. 1st bad decision was to order - 2nd was to pay when he asked.

at least it seems justice is being served thanks to those who hired Keith

thanks ed

Jeesus.
Good luck guys.

Who is Charles Hodgson? I'm the one not on the list and may need to talk to this person.

Crickets!

I sent you a private message with his phone # - he is kevin's attorney - thanks ed

just an update I just checked for somebody who is owed 4750 and it lists just 3000. so when you get yours in the mail check the amount - thanks ed

I'm also owed $4750. Hopefully ill get a letter in the post a few weeks from now.

EDIT: Its actually £3000 Sterling at the time of purchase. In my case at least.

The debts are in the amount Kevin received in American dollars

by the current exchange rate, does that mean he's owed 3,658.19 GBP?

Debts that are excepted from discharge under one of the provisions of 11 USC §523 survive the discharge.
Please see https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/523 and you may want to read (a)(2)(A & B), (a)(4), and (a)(6)

Note that to preserve a claim so that it is *not* discharged ('excepted' from discharge), an adversary complaint has to be filed to assert the rights, since exception from discharge based upon (a)(2), (a)(4), or (a)(6) is not 'automatic' and the right to have it excepted must be asserted, else it is waived.

Note that debtors who are denied a discharge under 11 USC §727 do not have their debts discharged.
See https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/11/727
You may wish to read (a)(2,3,4,5,6,7); (c)(1,2); (d)(1,2,3,4)

You may contact me at my office or in a PM for further details.

Keith, thank you for this. Since some of us haven't stayed at a Holiday Inn lately or actually practice law, would you be kind enough to explain this in layman's terms?

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Is that Batman or Catwoman? Can't really tell.

Not all debts are erased with a bankruptcy... there are ones can be excepted. But exception is not automatic for all, so you need to file a dispute to ensure your claim is properly excluded from being flushed in the bankruptcy (this is why Keith and others were seeking people to file claims earlier)

And on top of that, there are scenarios where when the debtor (Kevin/SkitB) acts in illegal ways.. that the debts aren't flushed either. (where you see Keith pursing and identifying these situations now in the court filings)

Basically he's making the case that if you do your homework... you can make sure your claims against Kevin won't be dismissed in any bankruptcy.. and call him to learn how

Basically you have to sue Kevin again saying that his debt to you is non-dischargeable.

Keith I'm waiting on you to return my call.

Thank you for the explanation.

GAME OVER!

reread your email. not even close to game over.

more like game on!

Just for clarity.

ANYONE that is owed money by Kulek will need to sign on to get a lawyer to represent us in the advisary complaint to be sure our complaints are deemed non-dischargable.
Assuming everyone that currently has a civil case which is under stay (due to bankruptcy proceedings) signs on then the indivdual fee will be minimal. It would be VERY smart for anyone that is a creditor to sign on (even if you dont currently have a civil case).

For those that have paid attention to the discovery, you have a pretty good understanding of what funds are likely recoverable. You can also do some quick math to see it is worth your time and small flat fee at this stage.

Given that our civil case lawyer is now brought on to represent the trustee (US federal case) it makes sense to keep things seperate for the advisary complaints.

Just a guess but it will possibly only cost you $100-200 to make sure your money owed is non-dischargable. (i.e. you can bind this debt to Kevin for the rest of his life! If that does not feel good, then I am not sure what does).

I would hold off for a few days before contacting the lawyer concerning the advisary complaints. Then take action and we get a final count of whom is on board and what the divided flat fee will be. Should eb very simple from here on out

"What is an adversary complaint?

An adversary complaint is a separate lawsuit filed in the US Bankruptcy Court seeking to deny the debtor the bankruptcy discharge and possibly to enter a judgment against the debtor. The adversary complaint may seek to deny the discharge as to all creditors or as to only the particular creditor who filed the lawsuit. An adversary complaint typically relates to debtor’s bad behavior before the bankruptcy was filed or bad behavior in connection with the bankruptcy case itself.

A typical adversary complaint is filed by a creditor who believes it was wronged by debtor’s bad behavior prior to the bankruptcy case being filed. Examples of debtor’s wrongful behavior relate to: incurring credit card debt without the ability or intent to repay; taking payday loans without the ability or intent to repay; alimony; child support; taxes; fraud; false representations; false pretenses; breach of fiduciary duty; embezzlement; larceny; or willful and malicious injury.

Adversary complaints also could be filed by a standing trustee or the U.S. Trustee who believes a debtor engaged in wrongful behavior in connection with the bankruptcy case. Examples of debtor’s wrongful behavior relate to: making fraudulent oaths; making false claims; transferring or destroying property with an intent to hinder, delay or default a creditors; concealing, destroying, or failing to maintain books and records; failing to explain the loss of assets; and refusing to obey any court order."

http://www.schallerlawfirm.com/adversary-defense.html#adversary

wow

Don't be disillusioned that this will get you your money. It just means that he can't walk away from your claim due to his bankruptcy filing. I imagine you'll have to sue yet again to actually go after any money.