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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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#11251 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Can't close this thread, it would just result in new spin out threads where people who just learned of the situation needed the entire thing re-hashed and where people who already drained this thread would have to drain a new thread.
This is one of Pinside's most favorited (and most drained) threads for a reason, for that reason the thread will remain open.

There needs to be a different term other than "favorited" for a thread of this type of subject matter.

#11252 4 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

Nope.
Those machines will always be a black mark for whomever owns them, and I'm not personally ever going to let up on that unless all of the people that got screwed say that it's OK for a machine to be owned by someone else.
It's a real dick move to own one of the machines... What an insult to people who lost thousands.
It's not like these machines were production machines that were built and properly sold. These machines were gotten after all the shit went down, in secret.

You are exactly right. I want a cloud to follow Kevin and these machines for the rest of their existence. We see it differently.

But what you are saying is not about pursuing those items to be destroyed under ip violations.

You may want that.... But it's never going to happen. The games and parts that are out in the wild will always be unless someone buys them up and destroys the items themselves.

They won't ever be 'seized' or rounded up by the police.

You are talking about shaming people - not legal repercussions

And even if you want a cloud following him... You need to be smart in the order of which things happen. Unless you like working against yourself

#11253 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

also, this thread needs fisticuffs. Badly.

You're a baboon.

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#11254 4 years ago
Quoted from DCFAN:

There needs to be a different term other than "favorited" for a thread of this type of subject matter.

Trainwrecked. When you don't like what's happenening, but can't stop watching. Can even stamp threads with an appropriate icon..

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#11255 4 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

It's a real dick move to own one of the machines...

Appropriate that Tim Fife and his many frozen Pinside personalities owns it.

#11256 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

also, this thread needs fisticuffs. Badly.

Let's settle for finger cuffs.

#11257 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

You're a baboon.

Disguised as a chimpanzee I guess

#11258 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

You're a baboon.

For as long that I've had this nickname, it wasn't until I started posting among... older folk (mind you, I'm 43) that I ever heard people go "ooooh Cornelius! Ape shall not kill Ape!" or whatever. It's all very clever, good work, gold star for all of you.

Quoted from fosaisu:

Let's settle for finger cuffs.

I'm okay with that.

#11259 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

Ape shall not kill Ape!"

See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

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#11260 4 years ago

I blame you, o-din. Are you going to ReplayFX?

#11261 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

I blame you, o-din.

I'll accept the blame. I grew up with the apes movies.

Quoted from Cornelius:

Are you going to ReplayFX?

Are they coming to our town soon?

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#11262 4 years ago
Quoted from Hawkeyepin:

What a dramatic, epic disaster. This is the worst side of what's supposed to be a fun hobby. I think this topic should be locked and closed for good. It serves no useful purpose.

F no! It serves a very useful purpose, as does the John Popadiuk thread - which every so often also has some dink who recommends a lock.

These threads are a warning to those who would ever think of giving money to a "pinball company" that has no proof of manufacturing capability. Keeping it open also reminds everyone that there are two scumbag criminals walking free who defrauded hundreds of people and stole their money. Kevin Kulek and John Popadiuk: THEIVES & LIARS who have hidden like cowards and have not shown any remorse for their despicable actions.

#11263 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Are they coming to our town soon?

Well, Pittsburg...?

#11264 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

These threads are a warning to those who would ever think of giving money to a "pinball company" that has no proof of manufacturing capability.

I don't need a thread to tell my that. I call it trust my own instincts.

#11265 4 years ago
Quoted from examiner:

If/when a monetary judgment is rendered for the plaintiffs (and assuming loser Kevin does not pay the judgment amounts) the plaintiffs would then have the option to pursue additional legal methods to discover Kevin's assets and ascertain his ability to pay the judgment amounts. That's when it would really be open season on seeing where the money went.

I wonder if it went 20 Miles west or 20 miles Northeast to the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe's two casinos? Cash withdrawn from the acCOuNts and gambled away. Maybe the comped rooms, food & "free" slot play were all he got out of trying his luck....

#11266 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

Keeping it open also reminds everyone that there are two scumbag criminals walking free who defrauded hundreds of people and stole their money.

Keeping it open reminds me that there are a bunch of people with more money than sense that got suckered into sending this clown money, and don't stand a chance of ever getting any of it back. But will probably keep on whining about it even after this clown is dead and buried.

#11267 4 years ago
Quoted from Cornelius:

For as long that I've had this nickname, it wasn't until I started posting among... older folk (mind you, I'm 43) that I ever heard people go "ooooh Cornelius! Ape shall not kill Ape!" or whatever. It's all very clever, good work, gold star for all of you.

It's all good my orangutan friend. Since our single disagreement long ago I think you're a pretty cool guy. And yes, blame it on Odin and the geriatric crowd.

BTW. My real first name is Kim and I'm a heterosexual male. I also shave my head bald. Feel free to poke fun at either or both of those items. Everyone else does.

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#11268 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

F no! It serves a very useful purpose, as does the John Popadiuk thread - which every so often also has some dink who recommends a lock.
These threads are a warning to those who would ever think of giving money to a "pinball company" that has no proof of manufacturing capability. Keeping it open also reminds everyone that there are two scumbag criminals walking free who defrauded hundreds of people and stole their money. Kevin Kulek and John Popadiuk: THEIVES & LIARS who have hidden like cowards and have not shown any remorse for their despicable actions.

Meh...anyone who threw money at this thinking there wasn't huge risk was stupid. You can see legal drama on judge Judy. This is pinball. Please consider closing thread.

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#11269 4 years ago
Quoted from Hawkeyepin:

anyone who threw money at this thinking there wasn't huge risk was stupid.

People that throw money away can usually afford to be stupid.

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#11270 4 years ago
Quoted from Hawkeyepin:

You can see legal drama on judge Judy. This is pinball. Please consider closing thread.

If it bothers you... drain it.

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#11271 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

Keeping it open reminds me that there are a bunch of people with more money than sense that got suckered into sending this clown money,

Quoted from o-din:

People that throw money away can usually afford to be stupid.

Odin: you can probably understand how these statements may be somewhat offensive to us guys that got duped? You are basically saying if we got scammed that's okay because we could afford it...which is not particularly a nice statement.

Perhaps I am misreading what you are saying in some way, but best to move on from that line of discussion, yea?

#11272 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Odin: you can probably understand how these statements may be somewhat offensive to us guys that got duped? You are basically saying if we got scammed that's okay because we could afford it...which is not particularly a nice statement.

I didn't say it was OK anybody got scammed. We all have.

What I was saying is it was a lot of money to trust in the hands of somebody with just a good sales pitch. I know I wouldn't have chanced it. Especially for that much money.

I got screwed on a car deal once because the little bitch didn't actually own it. But she was somebody I knew so I went thru with it. After they came and took the car and I got nothing back, I just cut my losses and moved on because reality was I would never see a dime of it. But I did tell myself if I ever saw her again, I would punch her in the face, girl or not. Fortunately it never came to that.

Point is either the system will work, or as usual it won't. Or you can try to take this clown on face to face. Nothing else is going to do any of you any good except eat you up inside.

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#11273 4 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

BTW. My real first name is Kim and I'm a heterosexual male. I also shave my head bald. Feel free to poke fun at either or both of those items. Everyone else does.

Hahahahaha!!! You are heterosexual!!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#11274 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

But what you are saying is not about pursuing those items to be destroyed under ip violations.
You may want that.... But it's never going to happen. The games and parts that are out in the wild will always be unless someone buys them up and destroys the items themselves.
They won't ever be 'seized' or rounded up by the police.
You are talking about shaming people - not legal repercussions
And even if you want a cloud following him... You need to be smart in the order of which things happen. Unless you like working against yourself

You are quickly becoming king of the obvious.

Yes to everything you said.

#11275 4 years ago
Quoted from Hawkeyepin:

Meh...anyone who threw money at this thinking there wasn't huge risk was stupid. You can see legal drama on judge Judy. This is pinball.

What's done is done. A criminal is still on the loose, and until justice is served, this thread remains relevant.

Quoted from Hawkeyepin:

Please consider closing thread.

Please consider choking on a bag of d***s

#11276 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Odin: you can probably understand how these statements may be somewhat offensive to us guys that got duped? You are basically saying if we got scammed that's okay because we could afford it...which is not particularly a nice statement.
Perhaps I am misreading what you are saying in some way, but best to move on from that line of discussion, yea?

Tigerlaw, I know you're a mod...but even you can enjoy Pinside the way it was meant to be enjoyed...

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#11277 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

A criminal is still on the loose, and until justice is served, this thread remains relevant.

In this case, justice will never be served. Putting him in jail will never get people their money back.

But there is a chance some learned a valuable, although costly lesson and will finally be able to get on with their lives. Then there are those that will let it eat away at them forever.

#11278 4 years ago
Quoted from Rarehero:

you can enjoy Pinside the way it was meant to be enjoyed...

People have a right to ignore people and that's fine.

But those that brag about who they ignore have no spine whatsoever IMO.

#11279 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

In this case, justice will never be served. Putting him in jail will never get people their money back.
But there is a chance some learned a valuable, although costly lesson and will finally be able to get on with their lives. Then there are those that will let it eat away at them forever.

If he goes to jail, most everyone will feel much better.

#11280 4 years ago
Quoted from labnip:

toss it off a roof & set it on fire.
charge an "in person" attendance fee. distribute those funds back to people who where stolen from by kevin for this pin.
then post the video here.

You talkin' about the pin or Kevin being thrown and burned???

#11281 4 years ago
Quoted from Mike_J:

If he goes to jail, most everyone will feel much better.

None more than his lonely cell mate, I'm sure.

#11282 4 years ago
Quoted from Wolfmarsh:

You are quickly becoming king of the obvious.
Yes to everything you said.

Well then not sure why you replied to my post with a straight "nope". When commenting on the dead horse after taxman again brought up 'confiscation' of the games/parts.

#11283 4 years ago

Not going to ignore you Odin, but you're wrong.

#11284 4 years ago
Quoted from bangerjay:

Not going to ignore you Odin, but you're wrong.

I can live with that. I can't always be right.

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#11285 4 years ago

I have no hope of getting any of my money back, but fuck that guy, keep suing his ass

#11286 4 years ago
Quoted from bangerjay:

I have no hope of getting any of my money back, but fuck that guy, keep suing his ass

I figured you'd be one of those go find him and punch him in the face type of guys. That's the only way I'd get any satisfaction out of a situation like this.

#11287 4 years ago

A buddy of mine got sued for punching the dude that ripped him off. It ended up on Peoples Court.

You know what he told Wapner?

"At least I got to hit the guy"

#11288 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

don't stand a chance of ever getting any of it back.

What if I told you it wasn't about getting that money back?

Quoted from o-din:

will probably keep on whining about it

Who's whining? There seems to be more monday morning quaterbacks that come out after a few drinks, add nothing to the conversation..

...outside of the gem of wisdom

Quoted from o-din:

I know I wouldn't have chanced it.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. But that goes both ways.

#11289 4 years ago

We already went over this already. Everybody handles things in their own way.

Sorry some clown ran off with all the money.

#11290 4 years ago

One thing I believe, his life will know nothing but bad karma.

#11291 4 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

One thing I believe, his life will know nothing but bad karma.

Hi, my name is Bad Karma. Tell Kevin I've saved a bed for him & to get things moving.

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#11292 4 years ago
Quoted from Kneissl:

A publicly available game is the optimal outcome IMO. I suspect it's never coming back out of the shadows unless Clay or someone else builds one or a museum snags one.

Can we please stop with this BS story clay made up as a pre emptive cover. he is not bulding a machine. he has acquired 2 machines, one fully working and one with parts. The idea that he is building one from scratch is a complete joke and Clay must think he can pull one over on all of the community. hOpefully he is smart enough to not continue with this lie.

cLay you need to come out and just admit the truth if you want the community to get behind you one this one. i have said already that I would like to see someone that can properly preserve and maintain the game to have one available for public play.

I don't agree with your means of going about getting one or you poor cover story that is BS, but you are one of the best people to have one and it would be a good draw for your VFW and the good things you do.

#11293 4 years ago

Milton like usual you are just wrong. and when you figure it out, i expect a public apology.

As told there's only two kevin made predators: The #1 black prototype, and the #2 tim "official release" model. Kevin never made any more than that. The #2 showed us what the game was capable of looking like in its finished form, and what could have been.

#11294 4 years ago

I can agree with wysnow that Clay is one of the best people to end up with a predator.

#11295 4 years ago

There's no predators to end up with. There's just black #1 which Kevin doesn't even have possession of anymore (it's on loan to a guy in Chicago, so says rumors), and the sole production predator #2 which Tim has. and I can't see tim ever selling it.

That said there are parts to make a predator, but not enough parts (as discussed earlier, ramps are the major stumbling block.) as for the parts, many were given to people that worked with Kevin. A lot of these guys took parts with them when they left the project because Kevin didn't have any money to pay them. So they ended up with miscellaneous oddities. Kevin probably still has some things like all the back alley creation parts (since it appears they delivered all those parts in full for the entire project.) but a lot of parts are in very short supply, like say playfields and plastics, as only a test run of those was produced.

Making a predator is no easy task either. It is extremely complex and would take a lot of time and knowledge. What I heard it took Kevin three weeks full time to make predator #2. I'm not quite sure how he would've kicked out 200+ games, as it could've taken close to forever to get it all done, unless he really streamlined things. like what spooky pinball does. Of course Kevin was hand making the complete wiring harness, which is probably the biggest time suck in the whole project.

To the people that have playfields and plastics, I'm not quite sure why they have them. I know they all have dreams of making their own predator. But to be honest, I don't really see this is a feasible option unless you really know a lot about pinball in general. And have lots of tools and patience. The bill of material costs, minus the playfield and plastics, is about $2500 (proc boards and computer and dmd and power supplies (four or five of them) compromise a good chunk of that number). That just get you started and you haven't even gotten the playfield, plastics or ramps yet. It's doable but not for the faint of heart.

#11296 4 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

Well then not sure why you replied to my post with a straight "nope". When commenting on the dead horse after taxman again brought up 'confiscation' of the games/parts.

Because I'm not going to stop beating the horse about the existing games or Kevin, that's why. My position really isn't this hard to understand man.

#11297 4 years ago
Quoted from cfh:

A lot of these guys took parts with them when they left the project because Kevin didn't have any money to pay them.

This is nuts. The mystery of where high six figures of money disappeared to has to be explained.

#11298 4 years ago

Will one of the Predators be at this year's MPE?

#11299 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

This is nuts. The mystery of where high six figures of money disappeared to has to be explained.

Most people who embezzle money use it for gambling purposes. There are two casinos close to SkitB'sheadquarters/campus.

#11300 4 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

In this case, justice will never be served. Putting him in jail will never get people their money back.
But there is a chance some learned a valuable, although costly lesson and will finally be able to get on with their lives. Then there are those that will let it eat away at them forever.

I would argue that prison time is, in fact, justice for the victims.

I'm a late comer to this saga, and I only know what I've read here and in Google searches.

I'm not questioning the guy's guilt, but the question I have is this...

...at what point in the accepting money phase did this become fraud?

It's not clear to me if he

1) ignorantly assumed he was ok on the IP at the start and was taking money in good faith, later realizing he had a problem and forged ahead anyway, still taking money.

2) The above, but no new money taken when he realized there was a problem on IP usage

3) had a suspicion from the start he should not have been using the IP but tried it anyway and took money regardless

Ignoring completely any stuff about returning money or figuring out how it was spent...I'm wondering what the story is on the above.

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