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The Official Pinside Kevin Kulek Skit-B Predator Discussion


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#9801 3 years ago

Out of curiosity...does anyone here personally know PinRebel that can vouch for him as a real human being? (There's got to be folks in MA that know of this fellow...he seems quite involved in the hobby, even for a new account).

Thanks!
Pete

Edit: To clarify....I need someone other than PinChili that can vouch for this individual's identity.

#9802 3 years ago

So guys, when am I getting my Predator pinball? I am getting excited!

#9803 3 years ago
Quoted from DreamTR:

So guys, when am I getting my Predator pinball? I am getting excited!

After mine, because I have an earlier production #.
But I can sell you my spot if you're really impatient

#9804 3 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

Nice try, but we all know that wasn't a spelling error.

It's called blind typing... while at work and usually distracted. But keep hanging onto a typo that if it makes you feel better. Do you have something to actually counter the point... or no?

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#9805 3 years ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

It's called blind typing... while at work and usually distracted. But keep hanging onto a typo that if it makes you feel better. Do you have something to actually counter the point... or no?

I'd love to take the time to respond in detail, but I'm running late for a Disposition!

#9806 3 years ago

Someone get this man a cell phone with a camera!

Quoted from LTG:

Now what I do do is take out pencil and paper and write down make and model of vehicle and license plate.

#9807 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Out of curiosity...does anyone here personally know PinRebel that can vouch for him as a real human being? (There's got to be folks in MA that know of this fellow...he seems quite involved in the hobby, even for a new account).
Thanks!
Pete
Edit: To clarify....I need someone other than PinChili that can vouch for this individual's identity.

May also be worth asking Pinrebel >> anyone else you know that can vouch for whom you are IRL?

#9808 3 years ago
Quoted from Monster_Bash:

Someone get this man a cell phone with a camera!

I always have pencils and paper in my vehicle. Pencils don't freeze and they always work.

In an emergency very handy for taking notes.

LTG : )™

#9809 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

I don't really care if you believe it or not.
I don't buy stuff in parking lots. You know it's a scam of some kind going in.

Same here - I've read numerous stories of scams, including one popular one where they sold speakers out of a van and they were basically just boxes with a brick in them.

Funny, but true: I was visiting a friend and he and wife started to tell me how they were approached in a parking lot by a guy selling speakers. In my head I was thinking, "ah crap you didn't fall for that did you?"

She starts saying how she figured they were going to get robbed or ripped off, and then he motions over and says "but they sound pretty
good".

I think I blurted out "Wait. What? They work?!"

They did sound OK, but I think it was a different variation where they say it's some top brand, but it's really fake knockoffs.

#9810 3 years ago
Quoted from RobT:

I'd love to take the time to respond in detail, but I'm running late for a Disposition!

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#9811 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Out of curiosity...does anyone here personally know PinRebel that can vouch for him as a real human being?
(There's got to be folks in MA that know of this fellow...he seems quite involved in the hobby, even for a new account).

Would be curious if geoip results are showing he's coming from MA.

#9812 3 years ago

I'm suspicious of any deal that begins with "Psssst, hey buddy... come here"

#9813 3 years ago
Quoted from DeeGor:

Would be curious if geoip results are showing he's coming from MA.

Which is why I'm really, really curious to know who knows this guy IRL.

He seems pretty well connected, and apparently travels from MA to MI...but so far, PinChili is the only person who knows him at all?

Pete

#9814 3 years ago

Believe it or not, I got some nice speakers off of the 'guys in the white van' in a parking lot in the late 90's. I talked them down so cheap that I figured it was worth it for the towers I could see in the box, even if the speakers ended up being MIA. Turned out they were just an unknown brand, but sounded/looked great and I still use them for my entertainment center today. You just never know.

#9815 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I'm suspicious of any deal that begins with "Psssst, hey buddy... come here"

And he open his trench coat and shows you hundreds of combs for sale.

LTG : )

#9816 3 years ago

Hey Pete

Whats Pinchili's out date? I would love to hear his version.

#9817 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Which is why I'm really, really curious to know who knows this guy IRL.
He seems pretty well connected, and apparently travels from MA to MI...but so far, PinChili is the only person who knows him at all?
Pete

I'll just say it... It's the same guy.

I think everyone can see that.

#9818 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

And he open his trench coat and shows you hundreds of combs for sale.
LTG : )

If the sentence starts "And he opens his trench coat ..." you're getting off easy if all you see is combs.

#9819 3 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

If the sentence starts with "And he opens his trench coat ..." you're getting off easy if all you see is combs.

That is all Mr68 would notice.

LTG : )

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#9820 3 years ago

I flashed a Nun in my trench coat once and she had a stroke. I flash another Nun and she also had a stroke. But the third Nun I flashed wouldn't touch it.

#9821 3 years ago
Quoted from pinlink:

I'll just say it... It's the same guy.
I think everyone can see that.

I'm sure someone will step up soon that knows the guy. MA isn't that big.

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#9822 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

But the third Nun I flashed wouldn't touch it.

She was afraid of getting a dirty habit.

LTG : )

#9823 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

And he open his trench coat and shows you hundreds of combs for sale.
LTG : )

Hopefully that is all you see.

#9824 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Which is why I'm really, really curious to know who knows this guy IRL.
He seems pretty well connected, and apparently travels from MA to MI...but so far, PinChili is the only person who knows him at all?
Pete

Maybe you could send him a message directly, asking him to contact a couple of the people who know him IRL who are also Pinside members, and have those members contact you for validation.

If you get no response, I'd just assume that he is PinChili.

#9825 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

I always have pencils and paper in my vehicle. Pencils don't freeze and they always work.
In an emergency very handy for taking notes.
LTG : )™

They may not freeze, but they don't always work...

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#9826 3 years ago
Quoted from metallik:

but they don't always work...

Break it off, chew it down. You can make it work in extreme conditions.

LTG : )™

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#9827 3 years ago

To write with a broken pencil is pointless.

(Anonymous)

#9828 3 years ago

I only chew lead when I'm inhaling solder fumes.. Such a healthy hobby

#9829 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

To write with a broken pencil is pointless.

Someone hits your car and takes off and you have seconds to write down license plate or anything, I don't care if it's pointless or not.

( Known )

#9830 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I flashed a Nun in my trench coat once and she had a stroke. I flash another Nun and she also had a stroke. But the third Nun I flashed wouldn't touch it.

This is pure comedy gold Jerry! Gold!

Marcus

P.S.

Consider it stolen.

#9831 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

To write with a broken pencil is pointless.
(Anonymous)

"Pointless"...pure comedy silver Jerry! Silver!

#9832 3 years ago
Quoted from Mr68:

I'm suspicious of any deal that begins with "Psssst, hey buddy... come here"

Psssst, hey buddy... come here. You wanna buy a number eight?
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#9833 3 years ago
Quoted from Tigger64:

Same here - I've read numerous stories of scams, including one popular one where they sold speakers out of a van and they were basically just boxes with a brick in them.
Funny, but true: I was visiting a friend and he and wife started to tell me how they were approached in a parking lot by a guy selling speakers. In my head I was thinking, "ah crap you didn't fall for that did you?"
She starts saying how she figured they were going to get robbed or ripped off, and then he motions over and says "but they sound pretty
good".
I think I blurted out "Wait. What? They work?!"
They did sound OK, but I think it was a different variation where they say it's some top brand, but it's really fake knockoffs.

Quoted from Betelgeuse:

Believe it or not, I got some nice speakers off of the 'guys in the white van' in a parking lot in the late 90's. I talked them down so cheap that I figured it was worth it for the towers I could see in the box, even if the speakers ended up being MIA. Turned out they were just an unknown brand, but sounded/looked great and I still use them for my entertainment center today. You just never know.

It's called the "white van speaker scam".

http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/dont-be-a-sucker-the-white-van-speaker-scam-explained/

#9834 3 years ago

Massachusetts (and New England in general) is a pretty tight knit pinball community. I personally haven't heard of PinRebel, or any collector in Chelmsford for that matter, but maybe that's just me.

#9835 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

I'm sure someone will step up soon that knows the guy. MA isn't that big.

I know a lot of collectors in mass, Maine and NH. I lived near, around and in Chelmsford. I don't personally know any collectors in that town.

#9836 3 years ago
Quoted from underlord:

I know a lot of collectors in mass, Maine and NH. I lived near, around and in Chelmsford. I don't personally know any collectors in that town.

How very odd.

Thanks for the info!
Pete

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#9837 3 years ago

Quoting for posterity, because might as well.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Looking back at that thread that's pretty lame if that was the case because I don't understand why he was told to stop discussing something there in the first place and I'd be upset too. But I heard he used some bad language with that moderator and then he was frozen. But that seems pretty lame also if it was done in a PM and not publicly. Pretty extreme.

Quoted from PinRebel:

What does this mean and why is that bad?
I was only referring to that last thread he posted in that you noted. It just reads like that moderator had an issue with him personally, first.

Quoted from PinRebel:

You are seriously misguided here. There is nothing illegal about him owning a prototype game that never went into being manufactured. Nothing. Your anger should only be directed at that Kevin guy.

Quoted from PinRebel:

It was never a production game and never will be. It was a prototype that traveled to many shows. I have no idea why that has anything to do with the apparent money that is owed to pre-order people. There is apparently hundreds of thousands of dollars sitting out there somewhere and you are worried where the prototype went? Go find the money before Kevin spends it all at auctions and elsewhere.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Only that he never handed any money to Kevin and never dealt with Kevin in any way from what I understand. He bought it from someone else. I don't know how long ago the prototype was sold or given away but it may certainly be long before any legal action was started.

Quoted from PinRebel:

He responded to me a little bit ago on Facebook. He has it but not under the circumstances that people have said. Apparently someone on here contacted him on Facebook in a very threatening manner to him and his entire family. I'm kind of sickened now how people on here are responding and my part for mentioning I know him.

A little strange that you seem to have just edited your post to remove your comment that you need to unfreeze him and let him respond directly to the accusations and threats here. And it seems a little ironic that his last comments on this site were to discuss the dangers of pre-orders and lack of openness and you basically told him to shut up in that Alien thread that LTG referred to.
Reading back through the comments here, why is there no moderation of the threats and personal attacks on him especially since he cannot respond? Why is this mob mentality allowed to grow? This is disgusting to allow him and his family to be threatened and if you think your occasional comment that Pinside does not condone threats is enough to relieve you of responsibility I think that is sad.

Quoted from PinRebel:

As a lawyer, do you believe it is legal to publicly solicit parties to join what could be considered a class action lawsuit in the state of Michigan? To solicit people to provide information on class action litigation? That seems interesting.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Really? Nothing seems threatening to you?

Nah. Nothing threatening in your mind about comments like these I guess? From what he said of the FB messages and threats it is much more disgusting. But those messages can be traced back to right here from where the unwarranted anger and hate was allowed to grow.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Sorry. It just appeared that you were the person who froze his account so it just seems strange that you were not aware of the extent of his ban or whatever it is. I thought you had stated yourself you were interested in hearing the reality of him being in possession of this game. I have now made more posts on this site then I think I have done in 3 or more years on RGP and feel like a fish out of water. But I do feel very bad for this guy because from what I knew of him he was a very good guy and well respected. I still know him on Facebook and I saw his post a little while back showing the game. It didn't even cross my mind that it was something controversial.
I am not a lawyer just another software consultant but I thought it was illegal to solicit folks or encourage them in any way to join a lawsuit like this especially prior to filing. If you are a lawyer then you probably know more?

Quoted from PinRebel:

That is a pretty serious threat dude. That's not cool. It's creepy enough you stalked him and took pictures of him from a distance. Are you telling us he wasn't driving a Porsche or even a brand new fancy truck? Maybe I'm missing where it was discussed in the past but how is it that out of 250 pre-orders there are only 15-16 people at this point on a lawsuit with this Keith? I thought the majority of the pre-order people were here on this site? Is it possible the majority of people have gotten their money back now and don't want to brag about it or hurt other people's feelings who haven't gotten their money back yet? I obviously don't know the details of how many people are still looking for their refund but inciting people to confront him in a threatening way does not seem right at all. This crap should stop. Let it work through the legal system.

Quoted from PinRebel:

He stated "come back here next month, I DARE YOU". That is very threatening. Not sure how you see it otherwise. That's not right.

You can certainly believe whatever you want but you are absolutely out to lunch. You obviously have no understanding of the legal system dude. He did nothing wrong. Anyone here can build 1 or 2 games of any copyrighted material they want. As someone else said there are apparently a half dozen people on this site publicly doing just that! That is fair use of IP and selling the game for the money you put into building it is not illegal either. Mass producing the game and selling it for profit would have been illegal. But they didn't do that. As far as anyone here knows that I can see Kevin has been reimbursing as many people as he can as fast as he can. You have 15-16 left on this lawsuit with this Keith guy. Maybe 6% of the pre-orders?? WTF?
I don't know if Tim will explain or not but my guess is he would absolutely do it if he could.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Is there not a difference between selling something for the money you put into it and selling something for profit? I specially stated selling it to recoup his costs. Not for the intention of making profit.

Quoted from PinRebel:

Yah, that sounds a little crazy to me too. 250 games goes beyond just creating some fan art or something. But Im really just curious about all the people making custom games right now using copyrighted IP. Can they really never sell those games to recoup costs? Could they even trade those games for something they consider of equal value? Or can it really never change hands technically? I thought as long as they didn't sell it for profit then it was no big deal but I'm definitely not a lawyer.

Quoted from PinRebel:

And why is nobody going bat sh.t crazy over all the people that create pinball toppers and other mods using copyrighted IP? It's everywhere.

Quoted from PinRebel:

I spend half my time contracting to Ford in Dearborn Michigan which is where I met Tim some time ago. I have never met Kevin and know little about him myself.

#9838 3 years ago
Quoted from pmWolf:

Which is why I'm really, really curious to know who knows this guy IRL.
He seems pretty well connected, and apparently travels from MA to MI...but so far, PinChili is the only person who knows him at all?
Pete

All the signs of a dup account.

#9839 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

I don't really care if you believe it or not.
I don't buy stuff in parking lots. You know it's a scam of some kind going in.
Now what I do do is take out pencil and paper and write down make and model of vehicle and license plate. That usually ends things quick.
And to further this, if offered the game free, cheap, or expensive. Knowing what has all gone on with it's history. I wouldn't touch it at all. Parking lot, at someone's house, or in my business.
Lloyd

Ha You said do do

#9840 3 years ago
Quoted from pinlink:

I'll just say it... It's the same guy.
I think everyone can see that.

Einhorn=Finkle? - Pinchili=Pin rebel?... That's it!

#9841 3 years ago

Reading the posts about guys selling speakers out of a van is hilarious. When I was in grade 5 or 6, I remember walking home alone from school through a parking lot and...you guessed it, 2 guys in a white van pull up and offer me speakers for sale. Clearly I was too young to have any money or even a desire for a stereo system but they were quite insistent I see them. I remember being a little afraid because they kept stopping me to see what they had, but thankfully they eventually left me alone.

#9842 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

And to further this, if offered the game free, cheap, or expensive. Knowing what has all gone on with it's history. I wouldn't touch it at all. Parking lot, at someone's house, or in my business.
Lloyd

Warbound made LTG not put a trademarked smiley at the end of his post! Not a good sign.

#9844 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballKen:

Warbound made LTG not put a trademarked smiley at the end of his post! Not a good sign.

Is that really such a big deal?

#9845 3 years ago
Quoted from MrBally:

Is that really such a big deal?

I always thought Demotivators.com trademarked that, honestly.

#9846 3 years ago
Quoted from PinballKen:

Warbound made LTG not put a trademarked smiley at the end of his post! Not a good sign.

Quoted from MrBally:

Is that really such a big deal?

The answer is here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/forum/lloyd

#9847 3 years ago
Quoted from guyincognito:

It's called the "white van speaker scam".

Seriously, I got a set of 4ft tower speakers for next to nothing. It's just speakers, not complex electronics. They sound fine and have lasted nearly 20 years. The cabinets look great and worst case would be needing to upgrade the speakers in the cabs. I read some of the comments on the youtubes and others seemed to say the same thing.

#9848 3 years ago

Predator court today? Just some sword rattling over what court should hear the case?

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#9849 3 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

Predator court today? Just some sword rattling over what court should hear the case?

can we please not discuss ongoing legal matters while they are still happening? After it is all over then is the time to lay it all out.

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#9850 3 years ago

Really public record is not to be discussed?

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