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#8101 4 years ago
Quoted from jayhawkai:

will not be free.

He's talking about how Kevin is using our money to hire a lawyer

#8102 4 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Free as in we're paying for it.

I know lawyer paid by hour etc....anyone have a clue on basic cost to have lawyer represent them on this? $400? 600? ..

#8103 4 years ago
Quoted from jayhawkai:

Either or both may be represented by an attorney. The attorney(s), if any, will not be court-appointed in a civil case, and will not be free.

Finally! That's the first 'judgment' you have rendered on here, to my knowledge! All that damned money 'we' spent on you . . .

What does it take for you to go after Kevin? Does he first have to be skiing down the slopes with the pinball machine before it fits your agenda? (Inside joke, fellas.)

Mike

#8104 4 years ago
Quoted from Pintucky:

Does he first have to be skiing down the slopes with the pinball machine before it fits your agenda?

Since I am not a member of the Pintucky/jayhawkai inside joke club, I'm going to guess it's a reference to this:

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#8105 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

I hesitated to mention what's been going on because I've been afraid Kevin might be a flight risk. But he's finally been serviced by the Midland County Sheriff's Office, and I have a court date with him on the calendar.
So, if Kevin and/or his attorney read this, feel free to contact me so we can settle this out of court. Otherwise, I'll look forward to seeing you there. I'm glad to see a little traction made here, although I know there is still a long way to go.

I hope everything works out for you, but I wouldnt count on him showing up for court.

#8106 4 years ago
Quoted from crlush:

I hope everything works out for you, but I wouldnt count on him showing up for court.

That would actually be the best outcome

#8107 4 years ago

Do you have to be a US citizen to chase Kevin through the civil court?

#8108 4 years ago
Quoted from Russo121:

Do you have to be a US citizen to chase Kevin through the civil court?

No.

#8109 4 years ago

I'm all for doing it but could be a problem if I have to present my case in person?

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#8110 4 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

What an innovative concept! Too bad there's not an existing mechanism in place in the U.S. court system to ensure that this would happen.

There actually is...and it would simply be a judge who really cared. One who cares more about victims of crimes than playing golf every wednesday. A judge has the authority to appoint a fact finder to a case, although there is no need since the detective will be providing him the information he needs to know.

But why am I telling you this...I'm just a stupid schmuck who knows nothing about the court system and sleeps at Holiday Inn Expresses. You guys can continue to argue it out amongst each other since you already have it all figured out anyway.

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#8111 4 years ago

Late breaking news, word has it that Jpop is going to work with Kevin to straghten out the licensing issues... What a relief!

#8112 4 years ago

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#8113 4 years ago
Quoted from playboywillis:

Enaud, when I was looking into this matter myself, I found this line from courts.mi.gov in regards to small claims court.
"If you want an attorney to represent you, you should tell the court before the trial, and the case will be transferred from the small claims division to the regular district court. See MCL 600.8408 and form DC 86"
"Either party may request that the case be removed from the small claims division. In that situation, the trial will not be held and the small claims case will be treated like a regular civil case and decided later."
Considering his lawyer is free, he will most certainly be able to get representation. Then, if you aren't prepared, you'll be without representation fighting against a lawyer.
Then, even if you get the ruling... "If the party owing the judgment fails to pay the judgment when ordered, you must go back to the court and file additional papers to collect on the judgment by having the wages or a bank account garnished or property seized. This cannot occur until 21 days after the judgment is entered. "
I don't know what I'm talking about, but this is what I found for MI courts.

Yep. You're right. This is not a slam dunk by any stretch. We can't let Kevin slide on this, however. If the civil suit fails, the felony suit will certainly catch him. I'm sure the detective is making progress. This whole damn could drag on for just about forever...

But like I said earlier, I'm going to make a vacation out of it. I'm planning to checkout the mechanical museum in Farmington Hills. So, either way, I'm out for having fun with all of this!

#8114 4 years ago

If you are heading up to the armpit of America, make sure you see the Henry Ford Museum and then head to Slow's BBQ

#8115 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

If you are heading up to the armpit of America, make sure you see the Henry Ford Museum and then head to Slow's BBQ

Those are our top 2? lol. Although I agree they're both great!

#8116 4 years ago
Quoted from PinChili:

Those are our top 2? lol.

"The Arcade" might be gone by the time he goes to court, as they seem to be cutting back hours and selling games.

Pinball Pete's is great and open till 2am.

Slows BBQ got #2 in the country on travel channel.

Henry Ford Museum would probably take more than a day to get all the way through, especially if you like mechanical things.

Rainbow Health Spa in Grand Rapids hits all the right places if you like those little Asian broads.

Detroit City proper is nice if you want a taste of 1945 Berlin.

#8117 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Rainbow Health Spa in Grand Rapids hits all the right places if you like those little Asian broads.
Detroit City proper is nice if you want a taste of 1945 Berlin.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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#8118 4 years ago

That is hilarious! (and accurate)

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#8119 4 years ago

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#8120 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

And don't ignore that he was living a pseudo-rock star lifestyle for a couple years traveling to shows. I'd be surprised if there weren't a few steak dinners and strip clubs in the mix.

"Skit-B Roooooaaaadddd trip, woooooooooooooo!"

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#8121 4 years ago
Quoted from Razorbak86:

What an innovative concept! Too bad there's not an existing mechanism in place in the U.S. court system to ensure that this would happen.

Quoted from playernumber4:

There actually is...and it would simply be a judge who ...

sometimes I guess it's hard to detect sarcasm on a forum. The US Bankruptcy Court is designed to oversee the equitable distribution of assets to multiple creditors. If you guys really think he has a stash of money somewhere, force him in to involuntary bankruptcy. It only takes three of you that are fully paid up. Each of you send him a demand letter, give him 14 days to refund in full. If he fails to do so, file an involuntary bankruptcy petition. At that point, everybody files a claim as an unsecured creditor. The court will then make sure everybody gets their fair share.

If you think he's pissed it all away, then you should hope for federal prosecution and an order of restitution. The federal government is the most effective collection agency in the world. If he fails to pay, he'll go back to prison. He'll never see a tax refund the rest of his life. He'll be forced (under threat of imprisonment) to disclose all of his assets to the federal government on an annual basis. Many of you will unfortunately die before you get paid in full, but you'll at least know that he is living intimately with the consequences of his fraud for the rest of his life.

#8122 4 years ago
Quoted from examiner:

sometimes I guess it's hard to detect sarcasm on a forum. The US Bankruptcy Court is designed to oversee the equitable distribution of assets to multiple creditors. If you guys really think he has a stash of money somewhere, force him in to involuntary bankruptcy. It only takes three of you that are fully paid up. Each of you send him a demand letter, give him 14 days to refund in full. If he fails to do so, file an involuntary bankruptcy petition. At that point, everybody files a claim as an unsecured creditor. The court will then make sure everybody gets their fair share.
If you think he's pissed it all away, then you should hope for federal prosecution and an order of restitution. The federal government is the most effective collection agency in the world. If he fails to pay, he'll go back to prison. He'll never see a tax refund the rest of his life. He'll be forced (under threat of imprisonment) to disclose all of his assets to the federal government on an annual basis. Many of you will unfortunately die before you get paid in full, but you'll at least know that he is living intimately with the consequences of his fraud for the rest of his life.

This sounds...familiar. Exactly this. Eventually he will pay it back...or die trying .

#8123 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

Eventually he will pay it back...or die trying .

Ayyy, whatever is the most painful and long lasting. Couldn't care less about that lying s*@t-stain, just want to make sure he doesn't gain anything from this and the rest of his useless life is as annoying and financially-painful as possible.

New page though, hey Kevin Whitney Kulek, how is that refund coming along for everyone that you promised? Hopefully your lawyer, Sam "Small-print" Lieman, is keeping you strung along....errr, well informed and protected with the money we sent you to build the Predator machines

*allegedly*

#8124 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

Ayyy, whatever is the most painful and long lasting. Couldn't care less about that lying s*@t-stain, just want to make sure he doesn't gain anything from this and the rest of his useless life is as annoying and financially-painful as possible.
New page though, hey Kevin Whitney Kulek, how is that refund coming along for everyone that you promised? Hopefully your lawyer, Sam "Small-print" Lieman, is keeping you strung along....errr, well informed and protected with the money we sent you to build the Predator machines
*allegedly*

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#8125 4 years ago
Quoted from playernumber4:

There actually is...and it would simply be a judge who really cared. One who cares more about victims of crimes than playing golf every wednesday. A judge has the authority to appoint a fact finder to a case, although there is no need since the detective will be providing him the information he needs to know.
But why am I telling you this...I'm just a stupid schmuck who knows nothing about the court system and sleeps at Holiday Inn Expresses. You guys can continue to argue it out amongst each other since you already have it all figured out anyway.

Another post from you about the legal system not grounded in fact. Your post suggests you had some bad experience in the past like an adverse decision. Care to share?

#8126 4 years ago
Quoted from examiner:

The US Bankruptcy Court is designed to oversee the equitable distribution of assets to multiple creditors. If you guys really think he has a stash of money somewhere, force him in to involuntary bankruptcy. It only takes three of you that are fully paid up. Each of you send him a demand letter, give him 14 days to refund in full.

I Googled demand letters - here is one I found and adapted. Would that work?

Dear Mr. Kulek:

In between Nov 2012 and May 2014 I made several Paypal payments to you to pre-order a pinball machine, for total amount of $4,750. You have informed all of your customers on xx Marc 2015 by email that the project was cancelled and they would all be refunded. Despite this claim, you have not come forward with the money. I have made repeated attempts to get a refund by emails. I am requesting that you refund me in full by xx May 2015, or make specific arrangements to pay the balance.

I will expect a response to this letter no later than xx May 2015. If this matter is not resolved by the time specified above, I reserve the right to commence legal proceedings to recover the debt without further notice to you and this letter may be tendered in court as evidence of your failure to pay.

Quoted from examiner:

If he fails to do so, file an involuntary bankruptcy petition. At that point, everybody files a claim as an unsecured creditor. The court will then make sure everybody gets their fair share.

Would that work for a foreigner? How can I Join?

#8127 4 years ago
Quoted from wheels:

Another post from you about the legal system not grounded in fact. Your post suggests you had some bad experience in the past like an adverse decision. Care to share?

I've had nothing but good experiences with the court system for my entire life. Please continue with your expertise and advice.

#8128 4 years ago
Quoted from playernumber4:

So you are going to be spending money on attorney's fees (and attempt to get a default judgement against Kevin which he will be ordered to pay if he does not show up) or you will attempt to get a brief hearing with the judge ruling in your favor. Kevin's defense will be that he is still making the game so he does not have to give you a refund. Your response will be that Kevin does not have a license to make the game, and therefore cannot legally complete it.
And now is when it gets really interesting! The judge will want to know all all he can about the legality of the licensing. Kevin will tell the judge that he will prove he has the licensing after the Sh

Dude, you watch WAY too much TV.

If the judge demands proof of the license Kevin will get a few days to produce it, maybe a week, or the judge will inform him he'll find for the plaintiff. Small claims is like the drive-thru, get in and get out.

#8129 4 years ago
#8130 4 years ago

Here, let me help you with that....

Top pic - old dude looking at porn

Middle pic - shite eating grin proves he's looking at porn

Bottom pic - asking the old girl, "Can you do that?"

#8131 4 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

I Googled demand letters - here is one I found and adapted. Would that work?

Would that work for a foreigner? How can I Join?

That would work fine.

Your non-USA status wouldn't be an issue. All that needs to be shown is that he owes you money.

#8132 4 years ago
Quoted from examiner:

That would work fine.
Your non-USA status wouldn't be an issue.

Thanks. Anyone can PM me a mail address? All I have is a PO box for Skit-B.

#8133 4 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Thanks. Anyone can PM me a mail address? All I have is a PO box for Skit-B.

Problem with the mail: I started my adventure by sending such a letter via certified USPS mail to K. He refused to pick it up at the post office. If you send it regular mail, he will claim he never received it. So, if you want him to get a letter you will have to have him serviced. The Midland County Sheriff's Office will do that. Cost $34.10 (fee plus mileage). The letter referenced in the above post sounds like the beginnings of a civil suit. That's small claims court. If that fails in recovering your money, then you will be able to proceed to the next step (discovery of property and forced liquidation / bankruptcy). I don't think you can bypass steps and jump to forced bankruptcy.
But hell, I hope we can just get our money back.
On another topic: Does anyone have the contact info for Kevin's attorney? Please PM if so.

#8134 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

But hell, I hope we can just get our money back.
On another topic: Does anyone have the contact info for Kevin's attorney? Please PM if so.

He's not going to take anyone's call, so unless it's for certified mail it would probably be a bust.

#8135 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Problem with the mail: I started my adventure by sending such a letter via certified USPS mail to K. He refused to pick it up at the post office. If you send it regular mail, he will claim he never received it. So, if you want him to get a letter you will have to have him serviced. The Midland County Sheriff's Office will do that. Cost $34.10 (fee plus mileage). The letter referenced in the above post sounds like the beginnings of a civil suit. That's small claims court. If that fails in recovering your money, then you will be able to proceed to the next step (discovery of property and forced liquidation / bankruptcy). I don't think you can bypass steps and jump to forced bankruptcy.
But hell, I hope we can just get our money back.
On another topic: Does anyone have the contact info for Kevin's attorney? Please PM if so.

further evidence... this was a SCAM

#8136 4 years ago
Quoted from Enaud:

Problem with the mail: I started my adventure by sending such a letter via certified USPS mail to K. He refused to pick it up at the post office. If you send it regular mail, he will claim he never received it. So, if you want him to get a letter you will have to have him serviced. The Midland County Sheriff's Office will do that. Cost $34.10 (fee plus mileage). The letter referenced in the above post sounds like the beginnings of a civil suit. That's small claims court. If that fails in recovering your money, then you will be able to proceed to the next step (discovery of property and forced liquidation / bankruptcy). I don't think you can bypass steps and jump to forced bankruptcy.
But hell, I hope we can just get our money back.
On another topic: Does anyone have the contact info for Kevin's attorney? Please PM if so.

You don't need to go through any of the steps actually. Just get three people together who are owed in total $13,475 or more. Fill out the form and file it. The demand letter (assuming it is unanswered) just gives you some more ammo.

I'm not suggesting this is the best course of action, just that it is a possible action. And keep in mind the actions of 3 people would suck everybody into the same place (I.e. dealing with the bankruptcy court). Some may feel the actions they are currently taking create a better chance for recovery. Tough call, good luck.

#8138 4 years ago
Quoted from HighProtein:

So, this was a Non-Profit endeavor???

The term nonprofit is overused, misunderstood and ill defined to begin with. Spending any amount of money on anything but the games themselves is the "profit"

At any rate, no it was not Non-Profit.

#8139 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

If you are heading up to the armpit of America, make sure you see the Henry Ford Museum and then head to Slow's BBQ

Born and raised in Dearborn. Even went to Henry Ford Elementary. Also lived in Indiana for a while and I can assure you, Gary IN. is the armpit of America.

#8140 4 years ago
Quoted from PinballKen:

Also lived in Indiana for a while and I can assure you, Gary IN. is the armpit of America.

Gary is a crap pile, and did produce the world's most famous pedophile; Michael Jackson.

But Detroit is still 65% abandoned and untaxable; and is officially murder city USA.

Now that I think about it, I'm not sure which is worse......

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#8142 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Gary is a crap pile, and did produce the world's most famous pedophile; Michael Jackson.
But Detroit is still 65% abandoned and untaxable; and is officially murder city USA.
Now that I think about it, I'm not sure which is worse......

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Hey don't be lumping the rest of Michigan with Detroit man.

#8143 4 years ago
Quoted from Nibbles:

Ayyy, whatever is the most painful and long lasting. Couldn't care less about that lying s*@t-stain, just want to make sure he doesn't gain anything from this and the rest of his useless life is as annoying and financially-painful as possible.
New page though, hey Kevin Whitney Kulek, how is that refund coming along for everyone that you promised? Hopefully your lawyer, Sam "Small-print" Lieman, is keeping you strung along....errr, well informed and protected with the money we sent you to build the Predator machines
*allegedly*

Did I miss that Kevin's lawyer has been identified by name? Sam Lieman?

#8144 4 years ago
Quoted from PEN:

The term nonprofit is overused, misunderstood and ill defined to begin with. Spending any amount of money on anything but the games themselves is the "profit"
At any rate, no it was not Non-Profit.

I know, in the 1984 doublespeak method.

#8145 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Did I miss that Kevin's lawyer has been identified by name? Sam Lieman?

Sam "Small Print" Lyman is from the movie Slap Shot.

http://www.anyclip.com/movies/slap-shot/championship-game-introductions/

#8146 4 years ago
Quoted from Trekie:

As Rommy said........if you are a victim please gather the following to report to,the detective in midland. Please don't wait. Please call,him right away.
1- all your details, DOB, address, how much you paid, when, how much, in a one page summary email. Include dates! Declare yourself a victim of KKK and here are my details.
2- evidence of any contact you had with KKK - notes from phone calls, recorded messages, and emails. Attach all this to your email.
3- another email attached labeled Web Links where you put links to incriminating videos, podcasts, and websites. There will be lots of duplication but don't worry about that just do it.
Don't lay down for this! Call the detective! Gather info and email the detective ! That information is bullets in his gun.
Right now, as we speak, KKK is relaxing. He DOES have counsel now. They are taking the position that NONE of this is criminal, it's all civil. His position is he never lied, never defrauded. Don't let him do this to us. Help prove to that detective what a rat bastard snitch Kevin Kulek is.
And please do not forget to put the the exact dates you sent in money, the dates Kevin promised blah blah blah, and what Kevin's responses were to any questions (and when). This might not seem like important information right now but when it comes to the trial stage this is the type of information that that will destroy his defense. Make sure all of that information gets to the detective.

Bump

#8147 4 years ago

Gotcha. No one has determined who Kevin's lawyer is as of yet then?

If I were that guy and reading this thread seeing how angry everyone was and that it was getting worse I would consider a press release of some kind since his client's last public words were refunds were being processed...keeping us in the dark is clearly just resulting in the customers (if we can even call ourselves that) all taking aggressive independent actions.

Keeping us in the dark is probably not the best idea.

#8148 4 years ago

I can't imagine any lawyer's advice would be for them (the lawyer) to stay in the shadows. If nothing else, that lawyer should be the one working interference between Kevin and everyone. Makes me wonder if he even has real legal representation.

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#8149 4 years ago
Quoted from TigerLaw:

Gotcha. No one has determined who Kevin's lawyer is as of yet then?
If I were that guy and reading this thread seeing how angry everyone was and that it was getting worse I would consider a press release of some kind since his client's last public words were refunds were being processed...keeping us in the dark is clearly just resulting in the customers (if we can even call ourselves that) all taking aggressive independent actions.
Keeping us in the dark is probably not the best idea.

yes not the best idea for all you guys who paid but im thinking whoever his lawyer is sees that big old chunk of your money and is thinking what is best for him .the longer it takes...the more hours he bills

#8150 4 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

I can't imagine any lawyer's advice would be for them (the lawyer) to stay in the shadows. If nothing else, that lawyer should be the one working interference between Kevin and everyone. Makes me wonder if he even has real legal representation.

Exactly right.

Quoted from belairjoe:

yes not the best idea for all you guys who paid but im thinking whoever his lawyer is sees that big old chunk of your money and is thinking what is best for him .the longer it takes...the more hours he bills

I'm not convinced the money we paid in is being used to fund the defense. It just doesn't seem wise to use the misappropriated funds that were generated from the crime/bad act to defend yourself from the legal actions stemming from the crime/bad act. That, in and of itself, is using our money for a purpose other than what he took it in on.

Repurposing our money to his personal legal defense is just as bad of an act as taking it from us under a lie to begin with. If Kevin is doing this he is digging an even bigger hole.

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