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#7751 4 years ago

That is one of them.

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#7752 4 years ago

"Game is officially licensed to carry the Predator brand and has a giant list of sound and voice clips cut from the movie itself. There is a vulgarity switch in the settings menu to turn off all swearing, if you have a family-friendly game room and aim to keep it that way."

"Production information: We expect the start producing our first handful of machines within the next month or two, meaning we SHOULD have a few people out there with Predators under their (gigantic) Christmas trees." (2012)

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread#post-435997

"The licensing and likeness costs and all that aren't really something we're allowed to talk much about, unfortunately. If you're wondering if certain characters will appear in the game / artwork, I can tell you that all of the notable characters are present in both.
I'm not exactly clear what you mean with the term "oversight." We haven't run into any qualms with anyone about how the characters are being portrayed or anything, if that's what you mean. I know there was a big hiccup with the Demolition Man over something like that with Wesley Snipes and they had to go through multiple backglass designs because of it, but we haven't had any issues with anything like that, so we're happy."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-199204

"This is the magic of being a small, non-profit company. Not only does it keep the games more affordable, everything we get goes right back into the company itself as a direct investment towards the next game. Sounds like a system that works, to me."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-202832

"When your game is about to go out onto the shop floor, you will be contacted in advance. You make your deposit and the game gets built. Once the game is done, you simply pay the remainder and get your game. If you need to opt out of your pre-order, you can just contact us before your game is coming up and let us know. Of course, your pre-order spot and number would go back up for grabs, as well."

(This was actually the reason I decided to gamble on this pre-order. Since I was far down the list, I figured I would see games coming off the line before I had to put any "real" money (i.e. $2750+) down.)

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211657

"Our company profile is set up that way on purpose. We are listed as a non-profit entertainment company, so any revenue that flows through our company needs to stay within our company. This means that every time a Predator goes out the door, we're that much closer to not only making another game, we're that much closer to getting our own fancy CNC machine, silk-screener, injection molder, etc. Whenever something else like that lands in-house, that's one less thing that has to be contracted out, and drives the cost of games down ever further."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211709

BigPhil said:

Poeple have been burned in the past and I guess I'm just after as much reassurance as possible that this will actually happen.

"I wish I could say more, but I simply can't say anything other than the fact that we have legal right to use the Predator license for our purposes. I hate this legal crap just as much as anybody..."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/6#post-215698

swinks said:

does that mean no license is required or still is required?

"It's complicated It's not like one of those open-domain things, or something like that, if that's what you're asking."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/4#post-213473

"Playfield design and software is done by yours truly, Kevin W. Kulek.
Playfield artwork is done by James Dubay.
Assembly design and R&D is done by Aaron Klumpp.
All of our paperwork - both monetary and legal - is done by Kathy L. Kulek."

(Emphasis on MONETARY and LEGAL paperwork done by Kathy Kulek)

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-198194

navajas said:

Non-profits, by definition, can absolutely NOT make a profit, that's why they're called non-profits. They can make "surplus revenue" which are the assets that must be reinvested into the company. And obviously they can take a salary.

"This is what it's all about, pretty much. We can take a salary, but it has to be documented and considered "reasonable" in comparison to the money flowing through the company, so while we will be able to survive, we won't be showing up to any shows with sexy foreign cars and slick suits or anything. My 15 year old American pickup truck and t-shirt-n-jeans will suit me just fine. For the people, by the people, I suppose... "

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/28#post-392177

" As I said a second ago, we are very close to our release candidate, which, to a programmer or engineer, means damn near done. Now we just have to wait for the business end to catch up, along with legal stuffs in the interim. Art finished, art approvals, toys finalized, parts lists confirmed, suppliers stocked, the list goes on."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/47#post-669127

navajas said:

One question I was going to ask had I been able to go to the seminar was does Fox have an IP police/enforcer/oversight guy that you needs to sign off on things? Does the game have to go before some suits for review and approval or anything like that?
Also, I was going to ask what Kevin and Aaron did before this.

"Fox has access to everything they own, obviously, and they have a say over how it's all used. They generally don't care about much in the way it applies to pinball specifically, they just need to know that it's been unmodified and isn't being used way out of context. Likenesses are a little more touchy, but pretty much the same. In short, gameplay changes mean nothing to them, but art and sounds mean everything."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/94#post-927087

(2013-07-17) "For build timing, I can only assume here, but we expect initial units to be completed and shipping out BEFORE the Chicago expo this year"

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/101#post-993081

(2013-08-26) "It's no secret that working with contractors to get parts made takes time and has holdups, but things are moving along quite well. We've gotten some stuff in recently that hasn't been shown/talked about yet that are extremely cool, like custom backbox lighting by CoinTaker lighting! The final game is coming together nicely, and no worries about a complete game this year."

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/106#post-1070989

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#7753 4 years ago
Quoted from starfighter:

Send the info via email. I'm sure he doesn't want 2000 phone calls.

I think he needs to be called. Law enforcement needs to know how serious this is. I'm calling about my $250. I hope everyone else does too.

#7754 4 years ago
Quoted from Sparky:

The detective is actually speaking with Kevin? Or did I miss that you mean the lies are being revealed through the evidence?

He has been and has an appointment with KKK and his counsel next week. Where Kevin assures him he will,show the detective he has not been lying.

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#7755 4 years ago

Kevin really had me with the "refunds are coming". Even up until today I thought he was going to start sending them. I'm probably the last one who thought so...time to wake up and smell the coffee. Gah.

#7756 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

"Game is officially licensed to carry the Predator brand and has a giant list of sound and voice clips cut from the movie itself. There is a vulgarity switch in the settings menu to turn off all swearing, if you have a family-friendly game room and aim to keep it that way."
"Production information: We expect the start producing our first handful of machines within the next month or two, meaning we SHOULD have a few people out there with Predators under their (gigantic) Christmas trees." (2012)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread#post-435997
"The licensing and likeness costs and all that aren't really something we're allowed to talk much about, unfortunately. If you're wondering if certain characters will appear in the game / artwork, I can tell you that all of the notable characters are present in both.
I'm not exactly clear what you mean with the term "oversight." We haven't run into any qualms with anyone about how the characters are being portrayed or anything, if that's what you mean. I know there was a big hiccup with the Demolition Man over something like that with Wesley Snipes and they had to go through multiple backglass designs because of it, but we haven't had any issues with anything like that, so we're happy."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-199204
"This is the magic of being a small, non-profit company. Not only does it keep the games more affordable, everything we get goes right back into the company itself as a direct investment towards the next game. Sounds like a system that works, to me."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-202832
"When your game is about to go out onto the shop floor, you will be contacted in advance. You make your deposit and the game gets built. Once the game is done, you simply pay the remainder and get your game. If you need to opt out of your pre-order, you can just contact us before your game is coming up and let us know. Of course, your pre-order spot and number would go back up for grabs, as well."
(This was actually the reason I decided to gamble on this pre-order. Since I was far down the list, I figured I would see games coming off the line before I had to put any "real" money (i.e. $2750+) down.)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211657
"Our company profile is set up that way on purpose. We are listed as a non-profit entertainment company, so any revenue that flows through our company needs to stay within our company. This means that every time a Predator goes out the door, we're that much closer to not only making another game, we're that much closer to getting our own fancy CNC machine, silk-screener, injection molder, etc. Whenever something else like that lands in-house, that's one less thing that has to be contracted out, and drives the cost of games down ever further."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211709
BigPhil said:
Poeple have been burned in the past and I guess I'm just after as much reassurance as possible that this will actually happen.
"I wish I could say more, but I simply can't say anything other than the fact that we have legal right to use the Predator license for our purposes. I hate this legal crap just as much as anybody..."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/6#post-215698
swinks said:
does that mean no license is required or still is required?
"It's complicated It's not like one of those open-domain things, or something like that, if that's what you're asking."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/4#post-213473
"Playfield design and software is done by yours truly, Kevin W. Kulek.
Playfield artwork is done by James Dubay.
Assembly design and R&D is done by Aaron Klumpp.
All of our paperwork - both monetary and legal - is done by Kathy L. Kulek."
(Emphasis on MONETARY and LEGAL paperwork done by Kathy Kulek)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-198194
navajas said:
Non-profits, by definition, can absolutely NOT make a profit, that's why they're called non-profits. They can make "surplus revenue" which are the assets that must be reinvested into the company. And obviously they can take a salary.
"This is what it's all about, pretty much. We can take a salary, but it has to be documented and considered "reasonable" in comparison to the money flowing through the company, so while we will be able to survive, we won't be showing up to any shows with sexy foreign cars and slick suits or anything. My 15 year old American pickup truck and t-shirt-n-jeans will suit me just fine. For the people, by the people, I suppose... "
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/28#post-392177
" As I said a second ago, we are very close to our release candidate, which, to a programmer or engineer, means damn near done. Now we just have to wait for the business end to catch up, along with legal stuffs in the interim. Art finished, art approvals, toys finalized, parts lists confirmed, suppliers stocked, the list goes on."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/47#post-669127
navajas said:
One question I was going to ask had I been able to go to the seminar was does Fox have an IP police/enforcer/oversight guy that you needs to sign off on things? Does the game have to go before some suits for review and approval or anything like that?
Also, I was going to ask what Kevin and Aaron did before this.
"Fox has access to everything they own, obviously, and they have a say over how it's all used. They generally don't care about much in the way it applies to pinball specifically, they just need to know that it's been unmodified and isn't being used way out of context. Likenesses are a little more touchy, but pretty much the same. In short, gameplay changes mean nothing to them, but art and sounds mean everything."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/94#post-927087
(2013-07-17) "For build timing, I can only assume here, but we expect initial units to be completed and shipping out BEFORE the Chicago expo this year"
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/101#post-993081
(2013-08-26) "It's no secret that working with contractors to get parts made takes time and has holdups, but things are moving along quite well. We've gotten some stuff in recently that hasn't been shown/talked about yet that are extremely cool, like custom backbox lighting by CoinTaker lighting! The final game is coming together nicely, and no worries about a complete game this year."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/106#post-1070989

Unbelievable.

Literally.

#7757 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

"Game is officially licensed to carry the Predator brand and has a giant list of sound and voice clips cut from the movie itself. There is a vulgarity switch in the settings menu to turn off all swearing, if you have a family-friendly game room and aim to keep it that way."
"Production information: We expect the start producing our first handful of machines within the next month or two, meaning we SHOULD have a few people out there with Predators under their (gigantic) Christmas trees." (2012)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread#post-435997
"The licensing and likeness costs and all that aren't really something we're allowed to talk much about, unfortunately. If you're wondering if certain characters will appear in the game / artwork, I can tell you that all of the notable characters are present in both.
I'm not exactly clear what you mean with the term "oversight." We haven't run into any qualms with anyone about how the characters are being portrayed or anything, if that's what you mean. I know there was a big hiccup with the Demolition Man over something like that with Wesley Snipes and they had to go through multiple backglass designs because of it, but we haven't had any issues with anything like that, so we're happy."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-199204
"This is the magic of being a small, non-profit company. Not only does it keep the games more affordable, everything we get goes right back into the company itself as a direct investment towards the next game. Sounds like a system that works, to me."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-202832
"When your game is about to go out onto the shop floor, you will be contacted in advance. You make your deposit and the game gets built. Once the game is done, you simply pay the remainder and get your game. If you need to opt out of your pre-order, you can just contact us before your game is coming up and let us know. Of course, your pre-order spot and number would go back up for grabs, as well."
(This was actually the reason I decided to gamble on this pre-order. Since I was far down the list, I figured I would see games coming off the line before I had to put any "real" money (i.e. $2750+) down.)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211657
"Our company profile is set up that way on purpose. We are listed as a non-profit entertainment company, so any revenue that flows through our company needs to stay within our company. This means that every time a Predator goes out the door, we're that much closer to not only making another game, we're that much closer to getting our own fancy CNC machine, silk-screener, injection molder, etc. Whenever something else like that lands in-house, that's one less thing that has to be contracted out, and drives the cost of games down ever further."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/3#post-211709
BigPhil said:
Poeple have been burned in the past and I guess I'm just after as much reassurance as possible that this will actually happen.
"I wish I could say more, but I simply can't say anything other than the fact that we have legal right to use the Predator license for our purposes. I hate this legal crap just as much as anybody..."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/6#post-215698
swinks said:
does that mean no license is required or still is required?
"It's complicated It's not like one of those open-domain things, or something like that, if that's what you're asking."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/4#post-213473
"Playfield design and software is done by yours truly, Kevin W. Kulek.
Playfield artwork is done by James Dubay.
Assembly design and R&D is done by Aaron Klumpp.
All of our paperwork - both monetary and legal - is done by Kathy L. Kulek."
(Emphasis on MONETARY and LEGAL paperwork done by Kathy Kulek)
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo#post-198194
navajas said:
Non-profits, by definition, can absolutely NOT make a profit, that's why they're called non-profits. They can make "surplus revenue" which are the assets that must be reinvested into the company. And obviously they can take a salary.
"This is what it's all about, pretty much. We can take a salary, but it has to be documented and considered "reasonable" in comparison to the money flowing through the company, so while we will be able to survive, we won't be showing up to any shows with sexy foreign cars and slick suits or anything. My 15 year old American pickup truck and t-shirt-n-jeans will suit me just fine. For the people, by the people, I suppose... "
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/predator-pinball-at-michigan-pinball-expo/page/28#post-392177
" As I said a second ago, we are very close to our release candidate, which, to a programmer or engineer, means damn near done. Now we just have to wait for the business end to catch up, along with legal stuffs in the interim. Art finished, art approvals, toys finalized, parts lists confirmed, suppliers stocked, the list goes on."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/47#post-669127
navajas said:
One question I was going to ask had I been able to go to the seminar was does Fox have an IP police/enforcer/oversight guy that you needs to sign off on things? Does the game have to go before some suits for review and approval or anything like that?
Also, I was going to ask what Kevin and Aaron did before this.
"Fox has access to everything they own, obviously, and they have a say over how it's all used. They generally don't care about much in the way it applies to pinball specifically, they just need to know that it's been unmodified and isn't being used way out of context. Likenesses are a little more touchy, but pretty much the same. In short, gameplay changes mean nothing to them, but art and sounds mean everything."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/94#post-927087
(2013-07-17) "For build timing, I can only assume here, but we expect initial units to be completed and shipping out BEFORE the Chicago expo this year"
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/101#post-993081
(2013-08-26) "It's no secret that working with contractors to get parts made takes time and has holdups, but things are moving along quite well. We've gotten some stuff in recently that hasn't been shown/talked about yet that are extremely cool, like custom backbox lighting by CoinTaker lighting! The final game is coming together nicely, and no worries about a complete game this year."
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-predator-info-thread/page/106#post-1070989

You rock for posting this. Tyvm.

#7758 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

He has been and has an appointment with KKK and his counsel next week. Where Kevin assures him he will,show the detective he has not been lying.
image.jpg (Click image to enlarge)
Non pinball distraction - check!

Has someone provided the Detective with Martin's contact information? It would probably be good if he can get the information of that lawyer at Fox who can confirm whether or not Kevin ever had back and forth communication with someone at Fox.

I would love to be a fly on the wall to see how each of these declarations by Kevin can be innocently explained away. Not to mention, WHERE IS THE MONEY AND WHAT IS LEFT??

#7759 4 years ago

So if Kevin somehow he proved he was not lying would he not still have to return funds?

#7760 4 years ago

I fully expect to be mistaken for Aaron K. Especially when Pinball Expo used his photo as my photo 2 years in a row in the Pinball Expo handout.

Aaron
FAST Pinball

#7761 4 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

So if Kevin somehow he proved he was not lying would he not still have to return funds?

I would think as part of his investigation the Detective would want verification of the money left and where all the rest was spent, no? Depending how much money was moved to Kevin's personal account(s) could be proof towards intent to defraud I would think too.

#7762 4 years ago

Can someone PM me the information for the detective so I can call too? How many people have called?

#7763 4 years ago
Quoted from sensfreak:

Can someone PM me the information for the detective so I can call too? How many people have called?

PM sent

#7764 4 years ago
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#7765 4 years ago
Quoted from AaronJames:

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about the only good thing to come out of this.

#7766 4 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

So if Kevin somehow he proved he was not lying would he not still have to return funds?

Huh?

#7767 4 years ago
Quoted from ironspider:

I knew that the math regarding labor required for 2 or 3 guys to make 250 machines just didn't work under any scenario.

Another reason why more people from our state did not give him money. Most of us have or do work in manufacturing on some level.

I really hope he pays back every cent, even if it takes him years of making payments. Even if it were all some honest mistake, I would feel so bad for what I had done that I would work as many hours and jobs to pay it back ASAP.

#7768 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

Bonus garbage - and an important reminder not to preorder ... The duck I mean.

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Ebay. $10,000 by Samhain.

#7769 4 years ago
Quoted from PEN:

Another reason why more people from our state did not give him money. Most of us have or do work in manufacturing on some level.
I really hope he pays back every cent, even if it takes him years of making payments. Even if it were all some honest mistake, I would feel so bad for what I had done that I would work as many hours and jobs to pay it back ASAP.

thank you!.most people with any kind of manufacturing back ground would question this project ip or not..

#7770 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

You rock for posting this. Tyvm.

More evidence... don't forget the long list of contradictions I made a couple of pages ago. Standard text is a quote from Kevin from the follow-up Pinball News article, Bold text is counter testimony from the AG.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/the-official-pinside-skit-b-predator-discussion/page/153#post-2385948

Go get 'em tiger.

#7771 4 years ago
Quoted from rommy:

He has been and has an appointment with KKK and his counsel next week. Where Kevin assures him he will,show the detective he has not been lying.
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Non pinball distraction - check!

Get him!!!!! Please, Please, Please contact the detective!

Wolf of Pinside.jpeg kevin.jpg
#7772 4 years ago
Quoted from Hwawonyu:

You should edit that post and spell his name out. The more his name hits on these threads the more google will keep it at the top and draw folks to this mess.

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#7773 4 years ago

Another fantastic gem.
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jpop said:

Well our concept was making a small run of games, truly limited. like orange county choppers. not a manufacturing plant with deadlines deciding design. If we change something (ie: redraw art) and it takes another month, then that is what is **best** for the game. As these games will be here 25 years from now. Price, quality, speed...pick any 2?
Also we know all our customers by name and not just serial numbers. we care about their input, ideas and suggestions and frustrations. it's not about production numbers (or money) it's about making amazing pinball loading with inventive features....as the **standard** game. The UE or Ultimate Edition. So we do not make an LE with a skimped-out low cost model, but just **one** design (One Ring to Rule Them All) with as much crap as we can fit in (afford).
This is how I was taught how to design games at WMS and the only way I really want to work. I think it makes the best pinball for my fans and the community. Jpop

Kevin Kulek responds: "I generally try to stay out of threads like these (like the Predator VS ??? threads, etc), for fear that people won't want to voice their real opinions with a developer in the room, but damn, I gotta sound off and hand it to John for this post. Pay attention, folks. This is where pinball is headed, and is why it is on the rebound.
*Stats a slow clap*"

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/a-question-for-the-creators-of-predator-and-bhza/page/3#post-799996

#7774 4 years ago

How can he claim he's not lying when no one has gotten a refund and he has been quoted as saying:

"We’ll see once everybody has their money back and they understand the situation better"

"Yeah, that’s paramount. That’s number one. Everybody needs to get their money back. So they can understand I didn’t blow all their money on crap, and it’s obviously not as bad as they thought it could be. Once that’s done, maybe people will take a more objective look towards what was going on, and say ‘well, maybe if that was untrue, I guess this might be untrue’, and… hopefully after hearing some of these things, people will understand all the better where I’m coming from.”

"The only amicable thing to do here is to send everybody’s money back"

#7775 4 years ago
Quoted from Craig:

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#7776 4 years ago

This might be of some value to you all for your investigation. This is about an hour of video I shot at TPF 2014, 1 on 1 with Kevin Kulek. I have not watched it in a while, but I do recall that we discuss all of the "hot issues" at the time.

PART 1 - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45518345
PART 2 - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45519268

#7777 4 years ago

Can someone PM me detective Brent Benzing's email? I could find his phone but it will be simpler for me to be understood by email...

Or may be he loves listening to my awesome French accent

#7778 4 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Can someone PM me detective Brent Benzing's email? I could find his phone but it will be simpler for me to be understood by email...
Or may be he loves listening to my awesome French accent

French accent FTW.

PM'd.

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#7779 4 years ago

They wouldn't let me publish it with a reference to his name.

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#7780 4 years ago
Quoted from jlm33:

Can someone PM me detective Brent Benzing's email? I could find his phone but it will be simpler for me to be understood by email...
Or may be he loves listening to my awesome French accent

I also need that email address if anyone would be so kind? Ta muchly.

#7781 4 years ago

Stuck in the middle truth with you

#7782 4 years ago

russo - just PM'd ya

#7783 4 years ago

Most likely he claimed nonprofit status because fox was allowing the ip to be used in a non-profit situation at a lower cost or no cost - just my guess
But there is no way, or at least it's extremely difficult for a manufacturing company to be non-profit. Bells went off for me as soon as I heard that.

#7784 4 years ago

See, I don't know what I don't know,
but I think I know what I know,
but sometimes, I'm wrong.

#7785 4 years ago
Quoted from TimeBandit:

They wouldn't let me publish it with a reference to his name.
Screen Shot 2015-04-17 at 6.46.56 pm.png (Click image to enlarge)

No, it's just called Half Truth.

#7786 4 years ago
Quoted from PEN:

Stuck in the middle truth with you

Stealers Wheel, almost.

#7787 4 years ago

"Man, you guys are so uptight..." -Kevin Kulek

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#7788 4 years ago
Quoted from Jared:

This might be of some value to you all for your investigation. This is about an hour of video I shot at TPF 2014, 1 on 1 with Kevin Kulek. I have not watched it in a while, but I do recall that we discuss all of the "hot issues" at the time.
PART 1 - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45518345
PART 2 - http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/45519268

Watch Part 1 at 21:35.

This Kevin guy is stumbling and bumbling along about payments and about the availability of parts...almost sounds like he's just making stuff up as he's going along. At the minimum he is unsure of answers.

If you're going to run a business...and collect close to a $1 million from customers for a product, you need to have your house in order...you need to know specifics....I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but it is painfully obvious that this guy truly is just some dude trying to build a game in his basement.

Wow

#7789 4 years ago

Please PM email address

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#7790 4 years ago

Midland County Sheriff's Office
Attn: Detective Brett Benzing
2727 Rodd Street, Midland, mi 48642

If anyone who is out of pocket on this nightmare wants to contact me for the Detectives email. PM me and I will send it promptly.

#7792 4 years ago

Stupid question but are pinside posts admissible as evidence due to the fact that there is no way that kevin kulek can be proved to be the author ?

I can't remember but do you give your name when you sign up to pinside. Maybe pinside needs to give this info to tie kebin kulek to his posts. Or ip addresses tyingl his home or Mobile phone.

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#7793 4 years ago
Quoted from jonnyo:

Another fantastic gem.
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jpop said:
Well our concept was making a small run of games, truly limited. like orange county choppers. not a manufacturing plant with deadlines deciding design. If we change something (ie: redraw art) and it takes another month, then that is what is **best** for the game. As these games will be here 25 years from now. Price, quality, speed...pick any 2?

At least JPOP was being honest. Those games will still be in his shop 25 years from now!

#7794 4 years ago
Quoted from PinPatch:

Stupid question but are pinside posts admissible as evidence due to the fact that there is no way that kevin kulek can be proved to be the author ?

Don't see why they would be less admissible than emails. Can't really prove who wrote them either if its denied - can only really prove what computer/account they originated from.

Also I'm not a lawyer so... *shrug*

#7795 4 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Most likely he claimed nonprofit status because fox was allowing the ip to be used in a non-profit situation at a lower cost or no cost - just my guess

Most likely... he used the LABEL non-profit... but didn't actually do any legal entity setup at all, or even try.

If the guy couldn't get basics setup to protect his personal liability... do we really think he worked through the filing and legal requirements to be a registered non-profit?

I'd chock this up to yet another one of his lies intended to obfuscate what really was happening.

#7796 4 years ago
Quoted from Half_Life:

Stuck in the middle truth with you
Stealers Wheel, almost.

I cant tell you how good this line is!

#7797 4 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Watch Part 1 at 21:35.
This Kevin guy is stumbling and bumbling along about payments and about the availability of parts...almost sounds like he's just making stuff up as he's going along. At the minimum he is unsure of answers.
If you're going to run a business...and collect close to a $1 million from customers for a product, you need to have your house in order...you need to know specifics....I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but it is painfully obvious that this guy truly is just some dude trying to build a game in his basement.
Wow

He also stops looking at the camera once the question about payments comes up.

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#7798 4 years ago
Quoted from BMore-Pinball:

Most likely he claimed nonprofit status because fox was allowing the ip to be used in a non-profit situation at a lower cost or no cost - just my guess
But there is no way, or at least it's extremely difficult for a manufacturing company to be non-profit. Bells went off for me as soon as I heard that.

I mentioned this in the other thread but it bears repeating -- a corporation registering as a "non-profit" has absolutely no bearing on IP law. A non-profit corp cannot use someone else's IP any more than a for-profit corp can. The concept of fair use generally applies to personal, non-commercial purposes, but a non-profit corporation is still a commercial enterprise and obligated to adhere to IP law.

On top of that, you can't register a company that manufactures and sells pinball machines as a non-profit organization. Duh.

Of top of THAT, it's obvious Kevin never even began to look into doing that anyway, since he doesn't seem to remotely understand what any of the terms involved mean.

#7799 4 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Watch Part 1 at 21:35.
This Kevin guy is stumbling and bumbling along about payments and about the availability of parts...almost sounds like he's just making stuff up as he's going along. At the minimum he is unsure of answers.
If you're going to run a business...and collect close to a $1 million from customers for a product, you need to have your house in order...you need to know specifics....I guess hindsight is always 20/20, but it is painfully obvious that this guy truly is just some dude trying to build a game in his basement.
Wow

Being naive and getting in over your head is one thing. He went WAY beyond that. He lied on several occasions about having a license. He lied several times about being a non-profit - even taking donations on his web page. Both of these were done to present an image of legitimacy and good-will, and to in-turn sell pre-order slots.

That crosses the line from the "oopsies" to fraud.

#7800 4 years ago

Wow that's one lucky post!

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