Quoted from Nevus:

I’m officially in the club. I’m paid in full for an LE and just waiting for JJP to make it.
Average Joe player here. I played the game today at FUN, my distributor.
My first impression was very positive.
***Skilled twitch watchers who post laser measured reports about the 0.001 degree of pitch etc.. Skip this and go down to the next review. ***
Exterior: Beautiful cabinet art and powder coat. Volume button on the front is a nice touch.
Playfield and lights: great colors, easy to see everything. Not at all blinding or confusing.
Music and sound: Duh. Next topic.
Gameplay: It’s pretty simple for a player like me. Skill shot is right in front of you. Plunge accurately to get it. You start with a single ball and, yes, you can trap up. No big deal. Collect all the band members to be able to choose a song. This sounds more complicated than it is. If you can bang the ball around and make a few shots, you can collect the members. Sometimes a second ball gets added in, not sure what I did. It was fine. Once all are collected, shoot the scoop. Then you get to easily pick a song and play to it.
THIS is when the game literally wakes up and gets loud and fun. The light show gets going etc. For probably my first time in Pinball, the game actually sounds and plays just as loud and fun as the trailer for it. Playing Live and Let Die was exactly what you see in the promo video. I completed a few songs etc and was quite pleased. Yes there were multiballs, but it wasn’t overwhelming or annoying. Importantly to me, no shots were to hard for me to make.
Overall, I’m super excited about the game and really looking forward to the call when it ships.

Quoted from Pinballomatic:

Churchill

Quoted from graffixpinball:

I have had a dozen new sterns in the past couple years, I put playfield protectors on them before I launch a ball - money well spent. I also have done the same with both of my Chicago gaming pins. What’s an extra $100 and a few hours of install time when you already spend 6-8k on a game right?! Plus contrary to belief, it doesn’t effect game play. Strap it up

Quoted from romulusx:

I just googled Woolgollga to see if it was a real location.I pulled up pictures and wow nice view!

Quoted from punkin:

Having problems with my bottom right flipper out of the box. It stopped firing and i adjusted the switch and it worked fine. Then it stopped firing again and i readjusted the switch. Now it drops when the ball hits it.
I'm not much good at the maintenance side so if it's an easy solution you can laugh at me.
Also my LE came with a scratch on the siderail from the hinge rubbing against it. I'll fire an email off to my distributor this morning, but a shame to see the ugly scar.
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Quoted from punkin:

All good, i expect these things to have an issue after travelling half way round the world. Just would like to know how to fix it.

Quoted from Happy81724:

My distributor said they won’t run any more SEs. CE is now and then I assume LEs again. I wonder how many SEs they actually produced then? Seems low to only do a couple runs

Quoted from LTG:

Either one you want.
LTG : )

Quoted from punkin:

They are hosted on different servers. One or the other may be closer to you or faster depending where you are.

Quoted from jalpert:

If you're saying most people have a magnet issue, I'm going to respectfully disagree. A handful of people on here have, but they must have shipped over 1,000 games by now.
I also said there is probably not a software fix for the magnet issue.

Quoted from Animal:

So, has anyone recently taken delivery of a new LE recently? If so, when did you put your deposit down?

Quoted from PinMonk:

Well, the ~50/week was roughly right and the rampup wasn't that long, apparently. I just didn't believe the math that said that would mean ~900.
I didn't realize they were shipping that many SEs. I was just watching the CEs mostly. But now that I know, I'll pay more attention to the LE and SE box posts. We can know pretty closely by adding all three as long as people post their boxes on arrival so the serials can be tracked.

Quoted from punkin:

So to illustrate the point that nobody outside the factory knows, your 'safe to say' has pretty much doubled in an hour.

Quoted from punkin:

I worked out what vireland said by reading his posts. You should try it. I quoted both posts in the post you quoted of mine, so you should manage.
As far as believing me, there's no need as i haven't said anything about the numbers as i'm not an exec at JJP so wouldn't a fucking clue. I have only quoted different claims here from other people and extrapolated them.
Stick up for your mate's claims by all means, but don't attribute any claims to me as i haven't made any.
And by the way, i think vireland seems like a great bloke and i have a great deal of respect for most of what he types.

Quoted from allsportdvd:

You mean the end of 2021 right? If it's 2022 I may as well buy something else to play in the meantime and then sell it once I'm asked to cough up the remainder rather than just have 14K sitting in the bank waiting......

Quoted from punkin:

I'm not in the least offended. I've got my LE. Send me a PM, you can come play it if i still have it when you get here.
I was only pointing out that i hadn't said anything about what JJP was doing so no-one has any need to believe me.
The post you quoted was one i made an observation about someone saying they were up on things and less than 500 made. An hour later the same person revised that figure by adding 100%.
Same with when the next container leaves, only JJP knows. I don't think they tell Paul or any of their other distributors bugger all.
Same again with you saying they won't release numbers or dates as if you are speaking from knowledge. You don't know why JJP (and for that matter every single other pinball manufacturer) does this, but you are saying 'The reason is". You don't know the reason, you are guessing. I have another theory about why and i think it relates to their competition. I'm not saying it as if i know though, i don't.
LaughAwayPunkin

Quoted from allsportdvd:

How would Wayne know when Mr Pinball isn't the JJP distributor? I did order on day 1 and agree with potentially 30 arriving at a time we are in for a long wait. I think I'll buy another machine to play for a while and then sell it to pay for this (probably for a profit too lol)

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Also I think (hope) having no coil sleeve in my diverter is probably what caused it to cook anyway board fixed & coil replaced under warranty by my fantastic distributor and all good.
Neil.

Quoted from TaTa:

My CE was delivered a week ago and has been flawless out of the box. It seems the early buyers unfortunately became the quality controllers for jjp early on.

Quoted from NeilMcRae:

They are no better than Stern and no worse. I had a lot of issues with my DI. On GNR nothing that you can't work out so far but clearly the move to IL has reduced the quality a little bit. I was totally out on JJP but glad I risked GNR.
Neil.

Quoted from Chetrico:

I am about 250 plays on on my CE and noticed this around a couple of the posts. What's the best way to repair this and/or prevent further damage. I tried the fender washer approach, but I don't care for the look and the fact that it could affect the play of the ball(two of the posts are in the pop bumpers). Any input is much appreciated.
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Quoted from fooflighter:

I would gladly pay JJP extra to have a playfield like Haggis.. free from dimples, pooling, chipping, missing art.. That would eliminate most modern pin issues

Quoted from punkin:

My tech noticed that same post has an identical chip on mine on the weekend. I emailed my distributor just to seek his advice about how best to cover it and he rang straight back (as always).
He said to use a hairdryer to try to settle it and cover with a fibre washer which i intend to do.

Quoted from punkin:

My chip in the artwork under the clear is exactly the same as the one in the photo around the same post that is shown a few posts back. No point me oposting a duplicate pic.
If it had been there while it was in a show room and i saw it, I'd still buy the machine and still put a washer over it. I don't think the playfield is shit, it just has a small fault on it that i can't see unless i move the machine and stand up the front and is easily stopped from spreading if not repaired. If it does become a widespread issue over the entire playfield i am very sure that my Distributor Paul from Pinball Sales Australia will stand behind it and so will JJP.
I don't believe in all the chicken little sky is falling stuff is all, and wouldn't have bothered mentioning it if it wasn't that i saw an identical pic and i know that JJP monitors this stuff and will put a remedy in place when they find out it's more than an isolated incident. As they did with sling posts. That's what i want to see as a proactive move from them. Not sending populated playfields, but everyone is different and it's up to JJP. I wouldn't refuse delivery of a new playfield, just would never ask for one for such a minor issue.

Quoted from punkin:

No, it's posting while drunk.

Quoted from punkin:

Thanks for the info mate. I have no doubt it's accurate.
I'm a lucky fella and got mine in the first container.
It should be shared though, and i volunteered it for the biggest pinball show in aus today.
It'll be at Pinfest at Newcastle for everyone who's still waiting in November if they haven't got one.
Be all pimped out with Dans best Pinwoofer system and people can put some scores on it.

Quoted from Sluggo39:

Joined the club
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Quoted from PinballGalore:

Got my nasty bit of playfield pooling.
138 Games in, on a CE PF.
“How disappointing” call out on CONGO is the only thing that comes to mind. should I just flatten it out and stick a piece of Mylar before replacing the post? Hope the other side stays intact.
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Quoted from mostater:

Me as well. How pervasive of an issue is this? Is it really not just if but when this will happen?

Quoted from fooflighter:

At this point, I wish they would do like Stern and remove the artwork also. The rest of the playfield is beautiful, it just can't withstand pinpoint direct pressure or lateral pressures at small focus points. Kind of like high heels on a hardwood floor... You're going to get marks and deformations...

Quoted from fooflighter:

Thanks addicted...While I don't like the issues and wish they were reveresed...it is what it is for now. I try to post the issues, but then try to arrive at fixes or solutions and make the best out of it instead of beating dead horses. I did write Barry Engler and he told me he was addressing the production line about the problem with possible over torqued posts, however, I'm afraid it's deeper than the assembly process and needs a deep internal look at the playfield manufacturing process at its core.
Stern adjusted their playfields mid cycle on the JP rollout, at the same time Wonka was shipping with the same pooling issues..and I got a JP playfield with thin clear and no art around the posts...It has been solid to this day.
I think JJP needs to halt the assembly line...take the hit and ship the playfields back to Mirco and get them to either redesign the post/art points or look elsewhere for a supplier.
I will continue to play my machine warts and all, it is a beautiful glassy playfield, albeit on the slightly soft under pressure side...

Quoted from kcZ:

I would not buy, if I were you. Move on to another thread.

Quoted from kcZ:

No troll here but I was advising a possible troll of moving along... maybe my sarcasm did not come thru?

Quoted from kcZ:

you seem to be an expert at all else tho... sorry thought that was also in your bag of tricks.

Quoted from fooflighter:

I'm just going to post all the areas with pics because it's easier than describing as there are alot
About 5 of these areas I have are treated with the iron
The guitar neck was not pooling but the hex screw in the bare wood scared me after I had to remove the upper playfield to replace my Spotlights, so I put a small washer there as well
Some areas I had to use metal washers due to size limitations
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Quoted from John1210:

Posted these on the other thread. Unacceptable for a new game.
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Quoted from zaphX:

It pains me a lot that all the conversation is now playfields and not strategy, enjoying the game, etc.

Quoted from punkin:

Maybe because no-one has posted this as a solid solution to the problem as yet?

Quoted from swinks:

here is a flyer released today for a project I was involved in and Pinball Bazaar will release more when the time is right.
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Quoted from punkin:

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Never thought i'd need this as part of my pinball toolkit, but gotta sweep up all the flakes of paint on the playfield after adding more fucking washers.

Quoted from mbwalker:

I posted this on the other JJP thread the other day. Just from a quick google search.
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Quoted from Damonator:

Yea - I took the upper playfield post out and laid down a circle mylar around the hole. Game plays fine without it.
I dialed down the pop power to the lowest setting, so I haven’t removed the pop post yet. I put the mylar circle down and have a petg washer ready, but I ordered a longer shank post from PBL so that I could have plenty of bite in the T-Nut. Will probably lock nut it too if enough is sticking out of the T-Nut.

Quoted from smalltownguy2:

This pretty much confirms it - JJP is just silently implementing mitigation measures to minimize the damage to the crap Mirco fields. Whether or not they're using the info they read here on Pinside (oh, you KNOW they're reading Pinside all the time, right?) or they are figuring this stuff out on their own, I guess we'll never know. Because they haven't said a peep about anything.
But know this: any of you who are sharing your fixes for things and those fixes get used on the production line, you are essentially "working" for JJP without getting paid. They are basically using Pinside as a crowd-sourced supply of brains and info on the cheap.
That's nice.

Quoted from nicoy3k:

Play field protectors are an embarrassment

Quoted from punkin:

You are wasting your breath trying to teach that one manners.

Quoted from punkin:

Seems funny all you guys supporting Marco for fixes to the issues they've caused.
Brilliant plan from them of course to onsell the bits to fix there own fuckups.

Quoted from cooked71:

Those better looking posts still pooled on my Wonka and still need washers IMO. You could just use the Pinball Life silicone ones. The replacement posts are better than the factory posts but don’t solve the issues of the really problematic high impact t-nut posts in the pops and upper PF. The replaced posts in the inlanes aren’t really high impact.

Quoted from zaphX:

I think those posts are there for a reason though; I predict the rollover switches will get bent if you remove them.

Quoted from RA77:

Defeat design purpose ?

Quoted from cooked71:

No harm in removing this post - will just make the lock shot really easy I guess.
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But you’re right on these ones - I think the switches will cop a beating from sideways hits from the pops. Could change them for Mag Reed Switches.
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Quoted from Mattyk:

Well shit. After about 500 plays after installing the PETG washers I am now seeing pooling in two places. The left ball guide by left spinner and the bare post inlane by the amp lights.
The inlane post had significant pooling and playfield paint was cracked. I removed the post and washer and tried to flatten with the iron. Although this removed the ripple it made a bit more of the paint chip away.
I covered the area with some Mylar and added a second silicone washer under the PETG and put the post back on. I’ll be keeping an eye on it. Shit
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Quoted from Mattyk:

Thanks. April 2021 build.

Quoted from Mattyk:

Thanks. April 2021 build.

Quoted from cooked71:

Just unboxed my CE, and pleased to say the Playfield is amazing. Plenty of washers and absolutely no pooling at all. I’ll be protecting every post before playing though.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Quoted from Sako-TRG:

^^^ theres at least 4 NIB LE with the same trough Opto issues in UK so far.
Seems to be a known issue..

Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Container arrived full of pins and anxious owners.
All LEs are May builds with March build playfields.
Washers and longer posts with t+ lock nuts fitted from JJP.
CEs are cheese
LEs are all starting to chip, mainly at the pop bumper posts.
Let’s just say owners are pissed off!

Quoted from screaminr:

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Quoted from swampy:

You will be up for a little more than that with import costs and freight charge. But yeah it'll still come in at way less than the current highway robbery going on in OZ......

Quoted from MJW:

Are you certain it’s T molding ?
I damaged mine. When my distributer contacted JJP they said it was heat molded on to the back box and they didn’t have the new molding to send.

Quoted from punkin:

Why would i want two fucked playfields?

I'd be tempted if it was another playfield company and they could demonstrate they had fixed the problem.

Quoted from PinMonk:

JJP HAS to find a solution. Mirco has messed up 3 pins in a row, spanning YEARS. Even if JJP is buying from two vendors as they test a transition, it's better than doing nothing to address it at all like they have these past 3-4 years.

Quoted from Vespula:

Is that pooling around the post in your picture..inside the red circle? Or a petg washer?

Quoted from zaphX:

The part he circled was a plastic. Are we going to freak out about washer marks on those too, now?

Quoted from cooked71:

About 100 games in so far. Took me a while to get a feel for things, but starting to understand it a bit better now. It’s really a unique ruleset. I can see why experienced players who play a couple of games on location walk away scratching their heads. But the more I play this, the more I can feel this one getting under my skin.

Quoted from zaphX:

I don't see posts at all other than the ones in the plastic.
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Quoted from zaphX:

I don't see posts at all other than the ones in the plastic.
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Quoted from zaphX:

Ok. Congrats?

Quoted from allsportdvd:

After a long wait it’s finally here!
Manufacturing date May 2021
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Quoted from cooked71:

Mentioned this before, but just re-posting since thees been a few new unboxings since. You guys should be replacing those problematic 10-32 t-nuts with these:
https://www.marcospecialties.com/control/keywordsearch?SEARCH_STRING=4410-01118-00
From memory there are only 3 of the really problem posts - the upper PF post (top right near the lane that feeds the guitar neck) and the 2 posts above the pops, just below the AXL lanes.
In these posts they,ve used short/small 10-32 t-nuts and shorter posts that dont protrude below the PF. These are very high impact posts so the post would work itself loose and then the wiggle room caused by using a small and short t-nut and short post resulted in alot of movement and severe chipping around the posts.
Later builds they've changed to a longer post, with a Nylon nut unnderneath, but still the same small t-nut. Whilst better, this small t-nut will allow for movement on those posts because they are so high impact.
The 10-32 t-nut with 7-16 shaft height linked above almost comes to the surface of the pf and the baseplate is much bigger. Combined with the longer posts that extend through the pf and a nut on the underside, this will eliminate most movement. You can see here the OG JJP t-nut on the left and the replacement Marco one on the right.
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My personal approach for these 3 posts was:
- Larger t-nut
- Longer post (as linked in above posts)
- Mylar
- Petg washer
- Small metal washer to stop the post pulling through the PETG washer
They are rock solid.
Note that the BW style posts also mentioned here are not suitable for these 3 problem posts as they use t-nuts and the BW posts are still much smaller than the hole diameter because of the t-nut. The BW posts are definitely a recomended replacment for ALL the other through hole (ie. non t-nut) posts on the PF. I swapped them all - it's quite a few.

Quoted from zaphX:

I'm saying maybe_. Don't assume negative intent.
I honestly do not believe JJP is shipping stuff with damage like this on purpose...because yes, it would not be good business.
It does look fixable so I'd at least try since that takes 5 minutes. If it's not fixable I'd request a sticker.

Quoted from zaphX:

Yeah, it completely depends on the nature of the bubble. At any rate I hope it's resolved to your satisfaction.
I really wish Radcals were the norm. Those things are really, really hard to mess up.
I had some scrapes on a POTC decal and bought a Radcal set to cover them with. Came out super sweet.

Quoted from Boof-Ed:

It’s like the laminating has lifted from the vinyl. It flattened a little but still creased.
Paul is sorting this out for me.

Quoted from cooked71:

First rule of pinball production Vic.....never admit there is a problem and never admit it was your fault.

Quoted from Ecw0930:

you also have mirror blades? How do they fit with the slim-to-none room between the pf and sides? any scratches? concerns?

Quoted from cooked71:

Here’s the Marco link:
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/4410-01118-00
Weird thing is the description said 7/16 barrel height, but there’s a 2nd pic in the listing that sais 9/32 barrel height.
The ones I received are definitely 7/16.
And apparently PSPA sell them here according to the description:
https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/4410-01118-00.html
But for either supplier you better check with them what the actual height of the barrel is as apparently some are being sent with short barrels.

Quoted from PinMonk:

I haven't received the game yet, but it looks like JJP may be using the PETG washers on new builds now, so I may or may not have to do that part. The posts will be the Bally/Williams ones that have the thicker base to better fill up the playfield holes, from my B/W parts drawer.

Quoted from Hoteldrummer:

Not sure if this helps with anything but mine has a born on date of 9/21 and my Serial is 2441

Quoted from Dobler:

I’m still waiting for my machine, but I’m planning on putting it in my band practice room. My PA system is setup in there so just I HAVE to connect it to that to experience it. I have two 15” subwoofers and two 15” PA speakers with over 2000 continuous watts of power total. Should be interesting. LOL

Quoted from Hoteldrummer:

Oh right, I’m an idiot, here is all three
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Quoted from abelelectronics:

I have 2 GNR LE’s in stock and ready to ship. PM if interested. (Official JJP distributor based out of Michigan)

Quoted from Budwin:

Look what I got
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Quoted from RA77:

Oh no,
6 like wow, awesome !
Im lucky to get 3
I can see my game getting better.
This is the most relaxing multiball game I have ever played. Sterns are just crazy, full on, but GnR just feels so good. I think once I get my heat problems sorted out I'll be in with a chance of decent scores.
My vision is ordinary at best and GnR is the only pinball that I can play comfortably in the dark. This is not possible on my Sterns , just too hard to see the ball.
GnR is such a great game, I still maintain its killing my Sterns
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Quoted from Hayfarmer:

Farmer style!! # 1776 showed today, bicentennial number is pretty cool. Sept build , no issues at all. What a great game!!
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Quoted from screaminr:

GNR 2258 is in the house
The game is magnificent .
The game works 100% out of the box .
It came with a European power cord and I couldn't find the remote control
Can't recommend Paul enough at Pinball sales Australia . He made everything so easy and you know you can buy with confidence .
The Playfield has the new fixes and looks perfect .
Still have to add cliffy's , mirror blades , pin woofer , ect .
The wife loves it and has the second highest score
I have no idea what I'm doing and that left ramp is harder to hit than it looks .
Rolls-Royce , Chaka and others , I need a little bit more practice before I start issuing challenges
And Fish Tales finally has a friend again .
BTW what patch do you need for patience
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Quoted from screaminr:

Yep , I saw yours there , looking good

Quoted from screaminr:

Not sure about that , hopefully it's not too bumpy on a long ride .

Quoted from punkin:

Billy Pearce drives around the bumps, don't worry.

Quoted from ThePinballFuries:

You should also take down the YouTube videos I watched then.

Quoted from SDVmnt:

Ha! If you think these rules are too complicated. Avoid GZ.

Quoted from Vespula:

Sorry to be a downer guys... I'll work on this over the weekend.

Quoted from Vespula:

Thanks... I know this too, and now that I've had my 2 weeks of pure fun it's time to get to rolling up the sleeves! I'll install my cliffies as extra punishment. Lol.
Stay tuned....

Quoted from screaminr:

Good question .
Australian distributor says he hasn't had any issues with the later build games , take that for what it's worth .
I didn't do anything , so far so good , Touchwood
I'm just keeping an eye on it like , vespula says .

Quoted from screaminr:

About 60 , I have a little bit of Mylar lifting , which went over the top of a washer , I have to lift the washer and tuck it under .
I also have to put the cliffy's on .
Make sure the two screws on the shaft of the diverter are really tight and it's at its highest position , mine took a few hits to the Playfield but you can't see it so it's no big deal .
I asked Paul about the posts and washers , he said the last ones have been good and to save my money .

Quoted from Ch4p3l:

Anyone know where this plugs into? Just finished putting on my cliffies and can’t remember this one. The cable has 3 purple wires and 1 green and is coming from the flipper area led board. Everything seems to be working fine so may be free standing but thought I would check. Thanks.
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