Does anyone know what the average wait time would be if you ordered an LE straight from JJP?

This is exactly what I've been told as well. CE's next then another round of LE's, but I the timeframe for the LE's could extend to March. Luckily, I'm picking up my machine tomorrow from another individual so I don't have to wait! Looking forward to joining the discussion after that as I'm sure I'll have tinkering questions!

Just got the call too, the LEs are coming boys!!

I purchased someone else’s pre-sale spot in Late November, doubt that’s going to help much.

OH man, great question! I'd have to go back through their song library to try and identify which songs were left off, but if it were as simple as downloading an update to access the new content/modes I'd happily shell out a few hundred bucks. This is easily the most defining quality of the game to me, and something no other machine has been able to replicate yet, so I'd definitely want in on this!

I just got my GnR LE this week and tried installing the black mirror blades today but I can’t get the hole for the back box hinge to properly align. It’s like a few centimeters off but enough that the bolt won’t go through, so I’m considering cutting them down a bit. Any one else had to deal with this? Bad idea or not?! Appreciate the help as always!

As someone who accidentally tricked his game on the wrong side, I can tell you nothing bad happened to my game.

This weekend I installed the Pinwoofer system to my GnR and I gotta tell you I think this thing is a must-have for this particular title! It makes a huge difference to the song quality as well as to hearing the shoutouts and gameplay F/X. I added the tweeter upgrades and an external sub as well. Tweeters will likely take me awhile to really say whether they added anything but for $50 I figured what the hell. The external sub is completely over the top and unnecessary, but that's kind of the effect I was going for! The walls fucking bleed when I play this game now!

Anyways, long story short, if anyone has any use for the stock sub or tweeters that came with the machine, hit me up. Happy to make a deal if someone can put these things to use. Oh, and go buy a Pinwoofer system, you won't be disappointed!

Has anyone successfully replaced their coin door lock on this machine? I want to install a thing lock instead of the keyed one but I can’t remove the nut holdings in place because of this spiked washer behind it. Any ideas how to get this done?!

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Remove the cam.
Wrap a pliers around the nut, loosen and spin off. Or use a 7/8ths inch deep well socket to remove the

For the life of me I can not get the nut to budge. Again, it seems like whatever kind of washer is behind it is keeping the nut in place. I do not have a well socket so any other suggestions?

I had to cut about an 1/8 of an inch off them to make em fit but they have no issues making contact with the playfield. Perfect in that regard, but don’t expect it to be a completely easy install.

I used a Dremmel with a cutting tool, but I know others have used tin snippers with success as well. It wasn’t a huge chore but certainly not plug n’ play. That said, the end result is fucking beautiful so it’s worth the hassle! The added reflection really amplifies the visuals!

Black mirror.

In case there's anyone interested in adding to the already ridiculous light show, Pin Stadium announced a new "concert edition" line today! Only 25 sets remaining of the first run. I'll update the group on how they look after I install!

https://pinstadium.com/product/neo-concert-edition_pinball_mods/

Apologies in advance if this has been answered already, but my game is auto-launching every ball and I'm not sure how to troubleshoot this. Happens constantly, if the ball sits in the trough for a few seconds the game is gonna launch it. It used to happen a bit more intermittently but now it's constant. Any thoughts on how to correct this?

Also, are mirror blades recommended for the LE?

I have black mirror on mine and frankly they look as if they should have came with the game! They really enhance the look and the light show, highly recommend. Relatively easy install and they do not seem to interfere with raising/lowering the playfield.

Dude, it’s a super simple install. Do not let that hold you back from adding what is easily the best mod you can add to this game! Took me maybe 45 minutes total including the tweeters.

Black mirror 100%. I added them and have no issues with clearance when lifting the playfield.

I've been following the spotlight issues on here with great interest, waiting for my time to come, and as luck would have it this weekend my right spotlight's vertical arm finally shit the bed. Contacted my distributor, put in a ticket on Monday, parts arrived this afternoon!

Obviously, I gotta install them still which will take some time, but I really don't understand the arguments people are having on here about this type of shit. Yes, I know it's a new machine and yes it was not cheap, but things break when you send a steel ball hurling around a bunch of wood and plastic pieces! As long as JJP does its best to make it right, I think that's all you can ask for and personally I'll gladly continue to give them my money.

Maybe I'm a masochist but learning how to troubleshoot the problems and fix them is actually something I've come to really enjoy about the hobby. The support from communities like this make it even better! My two cents anyways.

Yeah, that’s where I bought mine. Great quality, very pleased! Not cheap tho.

When you guys have been replacing your spotlights, have you noticed the replacements making a lot of noise? I just replaced both spotlights and the replacements move in all the appropriate directions but they're making some pretty bad noises that don't seem right to me.

I sent a video to the JJP team but wondering if this may be a common issue with the replacements being sent out? Doubt you'll hear it when the game is on but I suspect these things won't last long based on what I'm hearing.

Props to fooflighter foe the documentation on his cab lighting setup, it’s a solid addition for sure! The lights reacting to the music is an added over the top bonus!

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Damn right!! Looks awesome man! Did you document how you were able to connect the LED's to the siderails?

I bought the black mirror version and needed to cut a bit off the back in order to get them to line up properly with the hinges. Just used a dremel to cut them, maybe removed a quarter inch at best.

For those of you who may have ordered the first run of the Pinstadium concert editions, all I can say is be prepared to be wowed! I installed mine last night and hot damn are they impressive!

I never felt like this game needed more lighting (obviously) but I loved the idea of adding more "spectacle" and these things absolutely deliver that in spades! They light up parts of the game I never knew even needed it and the effects are perfectly synched with the hotrail LEDs. The colors these babies throw across the playfield when you hit the guitar spinner and pick shots are fucking incredible!

Outside of the Pinwoofer addition, I think these are right up there for one of the best mods for folks to consider. I'll try and capture some video over the weekend, but not sure I'll be able to do them justice! Install took about 30 minutes but 20 of that for me was installing the new mounting hardware so that they sit above the playfield and not directly attached to the sides.

On a side note, since these tap into the hotrail LEDs and come with a separate power supply, I also think you could tap into this system to drive any outside LEDs you want to mimic the internal lighting sequences as well. Just a theory but for now but I think it would work.

Here’s a pic of the mounts. If I’m being honest, I’m not sure they’re worth the money. I appreciate the fact you won’t have to remove the light bars every time you need to raise the playfield, but they still adhere to the sides. For me, the biggest annoyance about Pinstadiums is the width that the magnetic tape adds to the sides; especially if yours like me and can’t help but add mirror blades to every game you own! So for me the mounts are not a game changer, the lights themselves that’s a different story!

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Here’s a video of the new Pinstadiums in action. Mind you I had to record the video so this is just the game in attract mode! Songs are a whole other animal!

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Shit, I thought I deleted this post! Apologies, didn’t realize I couldn’t upload a video directly, so I was going to repost once I uploaded the video somewhere else and could link to it. Here the video:

Everyone is going to have their opinion, and rightfully so. You say “ruin”, I say “enhance”! Again, I’ll try and take some video of a song in action, may do more justice to the experience than just the attract mode.

Where did you buy the colored protectors?

Fuck yeah, congratulations sir! Get an Aerosmith in there at some point too!

Mine did the same thing. Cut a quarter an inch off the back using a dremmel tool and they fit perfectly. Like you said, it's likely not noticeable but I really wanted it to be flush.

I hate asking such a noob question but I can't seem to find this documented anywhere on here. What size rubber do you suggest for the outlane posts?

I'm getting a lot of drains on that left side and wanted to test adding a small rubber to the currently bare middle outlane, but not sure what size to order. Every time I guess and buy I end up spending $7 in shipping for a .07 cent part, so figured I'd do the more sensible thing and ask the experts this time around!

IMO it doesn't necessarily add to the experience taking place inside the game, but it does make the lighting effects seem bigger if that makes sense. You're always going to be more focused on the following the ball than watching the light show, but the exterior lighting bouncing off the walls does make it feel more immersive. I went overboard on my machine adding Pinstadiums, Pinwoofer, and an external sub in hopes of making it as concert-like as possible, and I think the external lights tie it all together! Plus, it's not a very difficult addition to make once you have all the parts sourced, and now its even easier with all the solid documentation on here.

Against my better judgement, I'm going to go ahead and share this video since I said I would! I know I'm setting myself up for all the Pinstadium haters to come barking, but here's a vid of the Pinstadium Concert Editions in-action along with the external LED hookups doing their thing. The video makes it look intense (and it is I'll admit), but truthfully I can track the ball a lot easier now with the brighter lighting. Scores have been improving and for my personal tastes I fucking love this new setup!

I was having this intermittent issue for months. Tried everything to fix it, eventually replacing both trough boards, which seemed to fix it. However, during my last game it did the same thing one time, which makes me think it could be something else now. I'll definitely be looking at the wiring harness now though, this makes total sense!

What I guess I don't understand is I've been working with Ken from JJP for months trying to troubleshoot this issue and not once has he mentioned the wiring harness being a potential problem. Feels like Pinside is more in the know than the damn manufacturers!

Does anyone selling just the scaffolding mod for the lights in the back of the playfield and maybe around the spotlights? I ordered LIORs speaker kit so I don’t need those but I like the look of some of the other kits I’ve seen, but they include more parts than what I need.

So my game is continuing to auto launch balls despite my efforts to correct the issue. I’ve replaced both trough boards at this point, adjusted the target at the end of the skill shot area but not sure what else to try. I noticed that every time it launches it scores the skill shot so I’m guessing it must be some sort of sensor issue? I’m still a little green to these types of fixes but if anyone has any suggestions I’d appreciate hearing em!

Yes, there’s definitely six balls in it. I recalibrated the sensors and that fixed the issue but it’s bound to come back. It always does.

I've replaced both trough boards, which were sent to me by Ken at JJP but they didn't help. I can make the issue stop by recalibrating the sensors but it'll ultimately come back after a few games. I haven't had time to go back in and troubleshoot it further, but I was told by another Pinsider that removing the plug from the skill shot area while the game was off was something to try. No idea if it'll work but can't hurt!

I've been having this same issue where the ball gets hung up between the gate and the drumstick, so I'm going to try adjusting the gate as suggested here. So I understand though, what does he mean when he says "adjusting a bit upward at the end"?

I’m still not understanding this suggested fix. Here’s a picture of the ball resting but the gate isn’t interfering with the ball in any way. What I think is happening is the ball is running up the ramp, hitting the back target above the drumsticks, and every so often finds itself stuck in the crevice between. So again I’m just not seeing how adjusting the gate is going to make a difference. I appreciate the help tho and look forward to being proven an idiot once again!

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No I’m really not. Again why does the gate position even matter if the ball isn’t resting on the gate or touching it in any way?

I've been staring at this photo, are you saying you adjusted the target at the back of the drumsticks and not the metal gate?

Awesome, I’m totally doing this!

I’m digging this! Can I ask, what did you use to adhere the drum kit to the plastic pieces?

I don't suppose you took any pictures of how you utilized the fishing line did you? I ordered the same set as you and perhaps it'll make more sense once it arrives, but if there's any visual reference you could provide I'd love to see it! I think you're right about your super glue assessment, seems like it could be difficult to hold the weight of this item when you're raising the playfield. However, I'm thinking it still may be a good thing to try in combination with your method, but again I'll probably get a better idea of what to do once the item arrives and I can play around with it more. Either way, I do think this looks as good, if not better, than the other mods out there for this space. I'm also going to try and find a way to add the GnR logo to the front of the drum to really dial it in!

Has anyone found a solid solution for keeping the ball from getting stuck in the pop bumpers? I've been trying to find the posts outlining this potential fix, but I can not track them down.

Awesome, thanks for the documentation! Using the wood base as a template is really smart, definitely stealing that idea. Curious, along with the tape, couldn't you use the screws from the pop bumpers themselves to help secure the "stage" to the bumpers? I understand why the tape would be important but as others have said already I'd be worried that it wouldn't hold when you're raising the playfield. Also, any concerns about ball clearance or air balls knocking this thing around?!

I added the spotlight for Axl as well, just used a T-tap to tap into the hotrail lighting to power it.

It's a common issue. What worked for me was unscrewing the 2 black screws at the bottom of the ramp (not removing all the way) then unscrewing the 2 metal screws at the top of the gate (again not all the way) this will allow you to move the ramp a little bit. Push the ramp as close to the drumsticks as possible and then screw back the 2 metal screws on the gate, then the 2 black ones. So far I haven't had any other balls get trapped there!

I installed mine the other day, took about 2 hours total. Personally, I dig it!

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Does anyone know if this wire plugs in anywhere?! I was messing around in the back and I can not tell if it was ever hooked up or if I accidentally pulled it out somewhere.

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Throwing this out there, but if anyone would be interested in buying LIORs speaker kit mod from me shoot me a message. Happy to provide pics but I’m sure everyone in this group knows what I’m offering! Pieces are in perfect condition, I’m just not in love with them. Paid $360 but I’d sell em for $250 since they’re not technically new.

Just wanted to give a quick shoutout to Damonator for all his help in getting my apron monitor setup up and running! I had a few install issues and he helped to troubleshoot late on a Friday and several email exchanges before then. Many thanks, I’m digging the new addition!

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So to this point I thought I maybe avoided the flipper issue, I chalked it up to not usually playing super long gate times, but tonight I played for an hour or so and my right flipper started acting funky. It was twitching a bit and overall not as responsive, is this the typical sign for over heating or perhaps something else?!

I recently increase the pitch of my game to 6.8 as others have suggested and I do believe it plays better, but now the spring on my plunger doesn’t seem strong enough to get the ball up/into the skill shot area. Does anyone know the best size/strength of spring to use as a replacement?!

Shooter tip is just fine. I replaced the shooter rod with a custom piece and I suspect it’s not making as clean of contact as the original, but it still worked just fine prior to me changing the pitch. I tested another spring I had lying around and it’s shooting the ball way too hard, so I’m thinking there’s a nice middle ground here somewhere?!

Most people have reported a need to adjust the right flipper and lowering it a bit in order to better hit the left ramp. It's definitely more apparent depending on what pitch level your game is currently set at as well.

I was given free shipping from the distributor that I worked with, so it's definitely out there!

THIS is fucking RAD!! Can't wait to update now!

Precisely why adding the 3rd monitor is so valuable!

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Not that it's needed at this point, but I wanted to be sure to share my positive feedback for Dan and his customer service skills as well! Dude spent over an hour with me on the phone yesterday helping troubleshoot an issue I was having, and he was able to help get things back up and running 100%. He's passionate about his profession and products, and he goes above and beyond from a customer service standpoint. Buy with confidence!

How do you turn on the setting that allows you to skip album modes?! I’ve scoured the settings menu and just can’t find it, but I believe others have successfully do bd a way to skip these by holding the lock bar button?

Is this before or after you hit the center scoop?

ahh, that’s the problem then. Thanks!!

I too do not have any friends on Scorebit yet, so I'd love to jump on the challenge bandwagon! Similarly to @hornersyndrome, I don't get to play as often as I'd like but if anyone is up for some friendly action shoot "ballsofsteel" a challenge request!

For some reason my left guitar lock isn’t properly releasing balls during multiballs. The optos are properly registering and the coils fits fine in testing mode, but during gameplay I just get the continuous drum roll/light effects like the gate is about to drop but never does. Any thoughts?!

The only thing I’ve done around that area recently was add the two washers under the scoop eject, but I can’t see why these would be related. I did have to bend the guitars guide a bit last week because one of the optos wasn’t properly registering so wondering if I may just need to tweak that some more? Again, not sure why that’s help tho since the optos are working in test mode.

Has anyone been able to determine what could be causing these LED/PFC Board Communication Failure issues? Recently, I've been getting these notifications popping up on my machine and all the lights will be frozen mid-game. If I turn off/on the game they'll go back to normal but typically they'll freeze again within the next game or two. The better solution so far has been to unplug the black/yellow wiring harness on the LED control board, but eventually the problem comes back. Obviously, would love to find a more permanent solution if one exists?!

I have plenty of slack in mine so I don’t believe there’s a disconnect issue happening, but I’ll add the zip tie nonetheless. Can’t hurt. I did play around with connecting/disconnecting that usb though and while it did correct the issue momentarily it did come back as soon as I started the next game. Unplugging the wiring harness seems to be the only solution that provides some decent relief, but eventually it’ll come back. Again, hoping there’s a more permanent solution out there!

This has been happening a lot to me lately as well. I just added plastic protectors and am wondering if perhaps the left ramp needs to be adjusted some more. There’s a slight lip from the ramp to the upper playfield so I’m thinking maybe if I increase the height a bit that would stop the ball from rolling back down?!

I fucking love them!! It’s completely over the top in all the best ways!

Well at this stage in your life, if you can’t even dress yourself appropriately, I don’t think your opinion on how others should dress up their machines holds a whole lot of weight.

Curious, are others able to hit the left ramp shot from a left flipper hold without much issue?
It was an impossible shot for me with the stock flipper settings, so I adjusted the flipper direction upwards a bit to make it more accommodating, but that of course made hitting the right shots a pain in the ass. I’ve since readjusted the flipper back down and turned up the flipper power instead, but it still has an extremely tough time making it up that left ramp. Not sure what else to do at this point.

Wondering if this may be just a byproduct of the flipper coil over heating? The power setting off my left hold is set pretty high (like around 26 or 28) so I’m wondering if this could be causing more of an issue than it’s helping.

Currently at 6.8 but I can’t promise that’s 100% accurate. I used the PinGuy app but I have my doubts about its accuracy, I’ll likely check again and be a bit more thorough about it this time. The game was so much more enjoyable when that left hold shot is doable.

Posted this in the troubleshooting thread but wanted to ask the question here as well since this thread is more active.

Has anyone found a solution for the LED/PFC board communication error?!
I’ve checked the mini usb cable and all the usb connections on the motherboard and nothing is fixing it. If I unplug the wiring harness at the LED board the lights turn back on and cycle through the startup sequence but then shut off again. Obviously game is unplayable when the lights won’t work, and so far I’m not getting any real advice from JJP other than unplug/plug back in all the cables around the game.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Would love to know this as well! I've felt a huge difference between my left and right flipper and was hoping to figure out a way to correct the issue..

I bought/installed the full set from Freddy’s and did not require any new screws or spacers. Used exactly what was on the game originally.

Yeah, they’re flush with the plastics, no overhang. Install wasn’t horrible, removing the upper playfield to access the spot above the middle scoop was probably the most cumbersome, but all in all took maybe 2-3 hours to install everything.

Personally, I love the pop of neon color these plastics provide, so I was purchasing them solely for their aesthetic value not necessarily actual protection. That said, I haven't noticed any difference in how the game is "holding up" now versus prior to their installation, so I assume they're doing their protective duties as well?!

Install wasn't too bad, took maybe 2-3 hours total. Just take your time and you'll be fine. Removing the upper playfield to access the lower field plastics was a bit of a pain, but totally doable. Personally, I was surprised the install didn't take longer but very happy it didn't! Overall, I think they make a great addition to the game!

Yep, misread it. Deleted. Too eager to participate in the discussion I guess!

I agree that it’s awesome there’s now a plug n play solution, but for those that are even a little DIY handy these can easily be built on your own for less than $100. It was a good learning experience for me at least. Also, if you currently have Pinstadiums installed I’d imagine these aren’t compatible since they both plug into the LED control board, but I could be wrong.

Again, not trying to diminish anyones hard work. I’m sure more than a few people will buy the kit.

I’m loving the idea of this experiment!

I have a few extra sets of these printed as well if anyone wants a pair. Just hit me up!

Update: all the extras I had have been spoken for. That was quick!

Seems like a lot of people are dealing with these issues, me included! I’ve replaced the sensor board, cleaned the optos/inserts, recalibrated more times than I can count, and still the problem persists. I do have an external sub hooked up so I’m curious to hear what comes from that topic, but I have my hookup going through the line out accessory along with my pinwoofer amp. No idea why these two things would be related but at this point I’ll try anything to fix it!

Yeah, I figured this was a stretch. My issue is compounded by the fact that I can't see any errors in the matrix test even when I trigger the shaker. So I have no idea what in the hell is triggering it to launch. Most times it takes several seconds of the ball sitting idle in the trough before it'll eventually auto-launch, other times it's automatic before the ball even hits the trough! Every time though it awards the skill shot before launching, so I have to believe it's an opto issue. But why in the hell none of the previous fixes have failed to correct the issue remains a mystery.

Fixing some damage on this post in the upper playfield and the post was extremely loose. I could actually remove it with my hands (obviously the cause of the damage) but does anyone know does this post but have a nut on it? Would love to not have to remove the upper playfield if I don’t need to, but want to make sure there isn’t a loose nut rolling around back there too!

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It's an April build so doesn't seem to be any nut on this one as far as I can tell; however, the original post isn't long enough to reach the threads with the washer on. Guess I missed the part about also needing to order longer threaded posts too?! Anyone know what size I'm supposed to be ordering?

I'm guessing it's this one: https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/02-4177-1

Are you also using the original metal washer on top of the PETG or did you abandon that piece?

Haha! I fucking love it!! Well done sir!

Nice! I fucking loved seeing this show when they came through my town! Miles' vocals are amazing and their GnR covers are pretty awesome in their own right! You'll have a blast!