If I turn the switch on and off there is a low hum but no power to anything else. Called JJP and left a message

Hmmm. I haven’t. Seen a few post of resets but it’s not prevalent.

Eureka! Thanks Steve and Barry for the quick help. Turns out the power supply cord wiggled it’s bugger self loose in shipping. Funny it let me play two balls first before going TU. So happy this was an easy fix! JJP support is the best.

Fantastic. Their support is second to none! That includes you Lloyd!

Try calibrating the guitar, keyboard and skill shot sensors... Same test in settings for all.

I had the same issue with the upper playfield bass guitar vuk. Initially the vuk was too weak to make it up onto the bass ramp. So I had to increase the coil power quite a bit. As it turns out I discovered that the coil stop on that vuk coil was loose and too far away from the coil. Overtime it started causing all kinds of malfunctions with that bass ramp and that vuk. I ended up having to unscrew the entire mechanism and remove the two nuts for the coil stop and move it closer so that there was a tight fit. Completely solved the issue and I was able to turn the coil power back down to the factory settings. it works perfectly now. In general, there are a lot of things that were not installed correctly from the factory. Mostly having to do with screws not being tightened enough or cold solder joints. Seems to be pretty common on these LE’s. My guess is that there is some new personnel over there on the factory line that may be new to the job.

Well my right spot light, Left and right axis servo died. Moves up and down in test just fine but no Left or Right movement. I did notice that it got hung up on the far right hexagon led light casing durning a game.. and it was intermittant after that and now no left or right movement..

Damn...all these different issues out of the box is making me nervous about getting mine.
Seems like most people opening these pins have issues right away or within the first few games.

Don’t worry. Not really more than any other new machine.

Make sure the wires are routed properly and have slack to move around. If they don’t that’s when the servos could run into trouble. I’m sure JJP will take care of it if one of the motors is bad.

October 5, 2020 - GNR trailer! Pin release of the century! Amazing game and marketing job by JJP! I call my distributor and order a game.

94 days later ...

Jan 5, 2021 - no game and not expected to ship for a month or two.

Yes, I am whining about a luxury item, a toy. Someone get me some cheese!

Who is your distributor?

If your talking about a CE I’ve got plenty of cheese here for you if your tired of waiting?

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LE or CE?

CE’s?

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It so beautiful!!!

Glad we were able to help.

Also... Make sure the lens above the sensors are clean, a damp cloth is all you need to clean them.

I think most people don’t come on here to say everything is perfect. The only issue I have had so far was the coma target needed adjustment.

More than likely giving this pic.

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Kaneda just said Distros are receiving games tomorrow.

These came in the goodie package... I think the Mylar is for in front of the flippers? Plastic caps I have no idea

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In this pic yes. Lol. But the other pic I wanted to make sure.

Should have seen the Avengers thread. I ordered Avengers just before Gunners and was pleased to have them both coming. I got so nervous about all the issues with avengers that i cancelled my order. Their QC was incredibly lax, people were getting machines with many issues. Some of them were design issues where the balls would be stuck constantly in the subway etc. Haven't kept up with that thread since, but the amount of issues out of the box here are miniscule compared.

Pins are very complex. There is no perfect pinball except my Addams Gold. Other than that, you will have to work on your pins right out of the box. Machines are not putting these together. Will some have more issues than others, you bet. I’m hoping mine is very minimal.

QC is an organizational structure, it's not related to pinball, but to management practices. Some companies give this a higher priority than others.

Releasing a product with design faults is a different problem. I cancelled my order because of both these issues.

I know there are likely to be some issues with my JJP when it gets here. i also know that it was more likely there were going to be more serious issues with the avengers. that is all.
I'm not a fan of any particular company except Williams/Bally as you can see from my collection. Prob's have more Sterns than anything if you count companies still in existence.

If i wanted design faults I'd buy another Spooky, at least there's a payoff in quirk.

You opened the goodie bag?! Oh no your pin just dropped $1,000 in value to the snobs here.

I have 2 questions today:

1) My top-left pop bumper (the one with the cymbal) does not have any light. Is it normal ?
2) How do you increase "Make some Noise" value ? (multi ball launched when shooting under the top-right flipper)

thanks

Mylar is for in front of the slings.

That’s what she said

There is no light in the top left pop as it has a steel plate covering it for the cymbal. normal.

Guys, the black cap or caps from the lucky owner who received 2 of them in his goodie bag is a cover for your camera per a nice guy named Ken over at JJP. My game never came with a locking Hex wrench for the back box, but JJP’s support has been outstanding and he told me a few weeks ago. Lucky you could use one from other games. Great to hear some of us owners finally coming out of waiting dormancy.

I will never get work done again.

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What is this?

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Wtf?

I don't think SEs are sold out....are they?

Good guess that JJP know it's going to be a while before they go back on the line and don't want people whining that they are waiting to long.
Smart money may say that they'll open the order process back up for them once they are closer to putting them back on the line.

It's an entitled society nowadays. I want it and i want it now, applies like it does to children with us rich people.

Good guess that JJP know it's going to be a while before they go back on the line and don't want people whining that they are waiting to long. Certainty show as sold on their website.
Smart money may say that they'll open the order process back up for them once they are closer to putting them back on the line.
It's an entitled society nowadays. I want it and i want it now, applies like it does to children with us rich people.

That would make sense

I think it's a bit of a crap shoot with respect to QC, because in my limited time in this new hobby, it looks like whomever is on the line doing the work could actually affect the quality. Regarding AIQ, I have a Premium and like you was concerned about the subway issues but after following the forums realized that Stern fixed it so I purchased one and sure enough the mfg date was after the subway mech update and it has worked flawlessly. I did have 1 issue after just 10 plays with the spinner disc (disheartening), but Stern responded quickly (from a helpful contact from a Pinsider) and it was a 5 minute Loctite fix. Working perfectly and I probably have 700-800 games on it.

Now.....this is a JJP GnR thread.....so, like you I've been reading it closely to help me decide (thanks all of you owners - really appreciate the insight and thoughts on the game) and I'm slightly concerned reading about all these issues. When I test drove a LE recently, it did have some issues (balls getting stuck, odd ramp rejects sending the ball OFF the playfield and draining). My gut feel is major issues will get sorted out and minor issues can be dealt with DIY - realistically any order I place is 4-6 months out anyway so I'm more confident things will be OK.

GnR played well - lots of fun and and had that "one more game" feel - I'm leaning yes on it, but have some other considerations to deal with so can't quite pull the trigger yet.

Overall, although I'm a total noob, I'm coming to the conclusion to buy what you want to play because if you make a decision based solely on some type of QC reliability perception you may end up being more disappointed in the long run. I'm guessing there is a large standard deviation in pinball with respect to QC based on the assembly/manufacturing process. Also, those who have problems tend to report them more than those who don't - so there's that aspect.

In summary: Buy what you want to play. If I didn't have the other considerations to deal with at the moment, I'd order the GnR LE and not worry about any QC issues.

Just my 2 cents.

In my experience, JJP machines take more dialing in out of the box than Sterns. Yes, I know, they have more stuff blah blah blah. But almost certainly a JJP machine will involve pulling the glass dozens of times in the first few weeks of ownership. It's better to expect that going into a purchase.

There is one on the WOZ too.

LTG : )

Definately not trying to make it Stern V JJP, i don't really believe all that crap. I just think the virus has made a big turnover in staff that contributes to the QC issues. the big one that made the difference in avengers was the design issue. Couldn't believe that wasn't discovered before games shipped, play testing machines in the factory before shipping should have revealed it, let alone development testing.

I may still get one down the track if all that shit is fixed.

But anyway, Gunners!

It's a joint dispenser. Blunts out the bottom and scoobies out the top.

And let it begin......$20K for a CE in the marketplace.....

Does anybody want to venture a guess what the hellthe white switch is for.

I think also there are quite a few newbies in the hobby as a good number of these issues arnt really big issues at all for a seasoned hobbiest (no disrespect to anyone who has posted an issue of course) but I do think that is a factor.

Looks like an on/off rocker switch. Maybe undercabinet lights??

I put my external sub, and game on this outlet so I can control it together and also surge protect.

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