I played for 2 hours with this modification today and I thought it was much better. It always kicked the ball to the upper flipper. Prior to this adjustment I had a 1-in-4 right outlane drain ratio. You could probably say I'm cheating but I like it so much better! Lol.

The first calls went out about 3 weeks ago.

Hard to say when they start shipping though until the line is fully up and going.

I had weird resets on POTC that took a long time to track down. Sometimes it would happen during gameplay, sometimes during bootup.

I found a reliable way to reproduce the problem by spamming the knocker in the coil test.
The root cause ended up being the PC power supply, I replaced it with a new one and the problem resolved.

If spamming the knocker causes a reset for you, maybe it's a similar fault.

This is my first JJP machine - so I have a couple newb questions- what is the normal boot sequence when turning on the game? I initially see a dialog box that says HDMI appear over top of the guns and roses logo...and then it goes to a BIOS screen showing running commands/files loading etc...then eventually the start game home screen appears. Normal?

Game plays fine just curious if this is a normal sequence or not as it seems raw. In the running command lines I see green and red text - red is USB failed I think. I presume because I don't have a USB plugged in at the time.

Nothing in the owners manual about what to expect. I'll take some pics and share to be sure. Thanks.

Normal.

LTG : )

Normal.

Edit, damnit llyod. 26 seconds you beat me by.

Lol...cool, thanks guys. I'll call it a tie.

You can see exactly when the reset occurs in the log.

I wonder if that would wash out the display?

Has anyone has issues with the ball not getting through the gate on the skill shot? Auto plunge is fine but if i try a weaker plunge that gets through but once in while even gets stuck under the gate or has a hard time breaking through gate.

Another issue is 50% of time when the ball comes out from the skill shot it heads STDM. Anyone have these issues? Any known fixes?

I got the call that my LE will be arriving tomorrow! Been impatiently waiting since October 8th to play this machine so I am hyped.

Damn, October 8th LE order here after losing my day 1 CE slot...crickets

got you beat, October 5th LE order, still waiting. Was told this week.

Who's your distributor?

If someone is keeping tabs on bugs to GNR LE code I have a couple to add to the list...

Patience Multiball... hit the button to collect a 750000 jackpot and the game reset...

During certain multiballs some shots don't have sounds...I'm thinking this is just programming that has to catch up but it sometimes makes me wonder if my switches are working properly... (yes i have checked my switches)

I have experienced other bugs but will be more diligent in recording.

Oh yeah...i just remembered another... I've only seen this bug once but i got to Encore and the game didn't move on it just stayed there chanting "ENCORE!"... All the balls were in the though so i don't know what the issue was...so i had to turn off game. Felt bad leaving the fans wanting more...

I was having this same left lock drop & drain 80% of the time since I brought it home last wk, changed the coil setting from 3 to 4 and now it drops to the left flipper every time, def try that if you haven’t.

I've also had the Patience one. JJP prefers to get these via Twitter.

https://twitter.com/JJPSoftware

Trying it now. Thanks for the advice!!

Have the SE's started shipping yet? I haven't heard anything yet...

SE’s have been shipping. No more right now. CE’s going on the line now for months.

It definitely changes the behavior of the left guitar lock, thanks for the tip !

To all, could you explain me or tell me where to find the strategy regarding the patches ? There are way too many and I don't know the impact of getting them.
Also, this game is f* difficult ... I consider myself as an average+ player, but the best score I could do in the last week was 11M and getting a song jackpot above 2M is a fantastic score... I must have missed something in the rules I tried to max out the 4 boosters but it's is still VERY difficult to have a decent score on this game.

What about you ?

I often have days where I barely break 10M. Heck, Karl was having a hard time on a few games himself in the streams. The game is very tough - Karl makes it look EASY.

Max’ing out the boosters and going for those 4 patches aren’t as lucrative as it sounds. However, Getting booster jackpots very much increases your song level, but going for those 4 patches (Lights, Horn Hand, Firecracker, Amp) for unlimited boosters sacrifices going for song boosting patches such as Fender, Vater, Duff Skull, song specific boosting patches, and/or band member patches. If I do 3 of the 4 boosters and dont get a jackpot, I then decide if I want to risk going for the 4 patches and do more booster multiballs or boost my levels another way - i.e. band frenzy patches, song patches, etc....EDIT: Or....Do i start a song and depend on good play to get my score high.

What kind of song levels are you starting with? Anything over 100 is great IMO, BUT that is hard to do and my song levels are rarely over 100. It all comes down to those Booster jackpots and getting 6 balls locked. Even if you start a song with 50-75 song level, you can still boost it with good play by making the necessary shots and hitting the scoop and increasing the levels all while getting band frenzy’s - those band member patches and fender patch are awesome for back to back to back band frenzy’s in a song. If you can make an encore, that’s when the scoring really can happen, but buh-bye ball savers and good luck risk/reward is heightened to a max!

Hope this helps. Oh, and here’s the patch sets if this helps. Courtesy of kermit24 :
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Anyone know how to check for updates via WIFI? Eric said update was going to come out today. Maybe he meant next Monday? Lol

EDIT: never mind, found it.
Utilities > network settings > download update.

No update yet.

Yes. Menu / Utilities / Network Settings / Download Update.

See posting crappy games isn’t fun or maybe it is.

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Here’s what happened this game:
I took you could be mine patch, fender, vater, and duff. I was on ball 3 with no balls locked and totally wiffed a 3-stack booster multiball. So, what do I do - start a song with crappy song level and see how I do? Or try to lock some balls first and really maximize as best as possible with those patches? I risked going for locks and got 5 balls locked, then with the ball cradled, it was either start the song at the scoop or lock ball 6 and start song. I went for the ball 6 locks, brick > drain > game over haha.

Risk and reward is what this pin is. That’s why it’s going to be GAME OF THE YEAR!!!

Game of the century if you ask me

i agree...totally awesome light show. and gameplay

I can’t wait to get mine. Come on JJP. Show those CE’s on the line.

Thank you so much ! It does help indeed, and this is the first game I'm having real fights with ! It will take time before being able to have a 6 digits score, and this is fantastic as a home pin !

Need to go and practice thanks again !

If CE's are going on the line for months then what happens to LE orders that haven't arrived? Still some day 1 orders not fulfilled

Umm.. those orders wait? All the CE orders are day 1.

Exactly. It would not be fair if LE’s were back on the line again. LE’s have gone out and not one CE!

I was a day 2 order and my game is being delivered today! Can’t wait! It’s sounding like maybe ordering through my distro was a good call as I assume the other day 2 orders were JJP direct and still waiting? I only had to put 1k down for a spot and was well informed on delivery timing. Although maybe he was blowing smoke up my ass after reading this thread. I hope JJP keeps supporting distributors like this and not going to a direct sales model

There are so many factors here, how quickly you got your game is basically luck unless you have some prior knowldge.

All distributors send allocations to their best customers first. There are a ton of people out there that have a standing ordered for every LE from 1 or many manufacturers. Without even asking, distributors hold allocation for those guys first. Some distros will have more of those types of customers than others.

Also, not all distributors get the same amount of games. I heard that it was JJPs goal to equally distribute based on number of sales, but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen.

Also, they made some LEs and SEs before the CEs went on the line, but how quickly they could start those CEs also played a factor.

People are saying 2 months to make all the CEs, that might be true, but that's best case scenario. LEs and SEs should start shipping again sometime in March.

I was told LE's won't be around till march, I am okay with it, Let them get the bugs out of the game and fix the mech's causing issues and I am in. new Wonka and Potc code coming soon so I will have something to play until my Le shows .Enjoy guys game looks awesome !

Ok so this happened last night...if you can't lock 5 balls the correct way then here's another way!(: It started off as 2 balls with perfect bad timing jamming the drop hole, then each time I shot another ball up there to try and break them loose balls 3 4 and 5 just got stuck too.
This was the first time this happened in a week of play, however these other two spots also got stuck several times last night and have done so all week. At least on the pop if you wait for lost ball protocol it will kick it out, but the center guitar pick spot (and the fluke drain jam) require taking the glass off every time. This isn't a prob at home but I brought it to the pad first to dial it in before we put it in our tavern pin parlor, and on location we can't have mgr's taking the glass off frequently. I brought the pitch down to 6.5 but it just seemed worse and also threw off the trajectory of the inner loop/upper pf return so I bumped it back up a little, wondering how high ppl are pitching it or what's recommended?
I've also had two diverter spots where balls have gotten stuck, only once on the guitar lock right side pic included, but sev times in the middle of the two diverters leading down the middle lane on the bass - this one usually gives way after hitting the flippers a bunch. Not sure if there’s any recommended diverter tweaks?
Also on the left guitar lock (coil change from 3 to 4) after sev more hours of play we're getting about 2 out of 10 still sdtm which is way better than 8 of 10, but I went ahead and bumped the coil setting up to 5 and seemed good, will test it out more tonight. I guess if its still 2 out of 10 sdtm it won't seem too bad sitting next to our Ghostbusters!(:

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I’ve had a ball get stuck on that little spinner thing on the guitar lock once or twice before too. I may try putting a dab of oil lube on it if it happens again.

Never such issue with my game. Looking at the ball stuck on the guitar diverter, are you sure you have the correct steepness ?

Sorry for my ignorance, I'm new to this. My flipper rubbers are falling apart and now one of the rings on the slings is tearing. I went to Titan Pinball and found a kit:

https://www.titanpinball.com/kits/index.php/view/id/1503

If I order this kit, will it be better quality than the originals?

The original OEM flipper rubbers were Old School standard rubber. Why I have no idea other then maybe clearing old inventory? Yes, any replacement to silicone would improve game play and longevity. Kit would work though picking them is not hard to do either. New red flipper rubbers should be a First purchase for anyone buying this game!

that first picture is crazy! I’m guessing that’s a one in a million ball jam. But pretty cool to see! The hangup to the right of that pop bumper is the most common on this game I think. I’ve had my LE for a number of months and that is the one that usually will happen. Although at the right pitch (around 7°) it doesn’t seem to happen too often to me anymore. When I first unboxed mine, the center spinner hangup happened a couple times. But I realized that the spinner was just getting stuck and not spinning properly. It just took a little bit of adjusting and now it never happens. I’ve also had a number of switches on in-lanes as well as the center axl lane up top where a ball would get hung up on the switch between the lanes. Those are pretty easy fixes by just bending those switches towards the bottom of the cabinet a little bit or centering them in the hole. I will get a ball stuck on those diverters on the guitar lock from time to time. I’m not sure about an easy fix for that but maybe some lube on that screw would help.

I think that kit has 2 of each for the rings. So that would be MORE than enough.

That kit has 1 extra of each size, so you'll have a spare on hand, and the slings are 1/4" larger than stock. You need to go up 1/4" on the slings to keep them from tearing. At least I needed to. I went through a few sling sets before figuring this out.

Aussies know of anyone doing a kit in Australia?

Thanks for the info, so is around 7 degrees when the top of the bubble is touching the 3rd from bottom hash mark? I know the manual says touching the 2nd from bottom hash is 6.5, but my digi level is totally untrustworthy and I'm back to bubbles at the moment(: I feel like as I came down to 6.5 that pop bump stuck spot got stickier, whereas steeper it was easier to gently nudge it out to the right.
I'll have to look closer at what you're saying about the spinner, I just thought there was too much wiggle room on the right side of it and a slow ball was getting wedged in the gap, again my thought was more speed/pitch could prevent that but if the spinner is sticking then thats a different issue I need to address.
On the diverters I'd like to know if other ppl have used any kind of lubricant like what some ppl put on spinners? Otherwise my plan has just been to play the heck out of it (not hard to do!) and see if I can break them in a little before it goes into our parlor.
That left drain's a monster too it totally reminded me of Guardians/Star Wars when I first got it so I bumped that post up, I'd rather folks on location have the best experience to want to keep playing, its tough enough for anyone just stepping up to the stage! At least I know Karl has the game at home so I don't have to worry about him putting up long games at my tavern(:

Get one of these and a moderately priced torpedo level and you’ll be in business

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To fix the guitar lock diverter ball hang up, give the metal guide to the right a little squeeze in toward the guitar head. There's a little too much room between the diverter and the ball guide, allowing the ball to get stuck. Narrowing it a hair fixed it 100% for me. If you go too far the ball will get stuck entering the lock, but it's easy to back out. Your thumb is enough to get it done, no tools needed.

Try these mate, I think the Haus may do them soon hopefully

The 2 best supplies down under

https://pinballhaus.com/

https://www.rtbb.com.au/

Speaking of parts, no one has mentioned balls ?
Guessing JJP balls are great from the factory ?

My first JJP so I don't know