The Official JJP GnR Owners Thread

Jjp is usually pretty good helping with warranty even if your not the original owner. I've bought many used jjp pins and they have been great to me ... even was third owner of a game with playfield issues and they sent me a beautiful new playfield. For this reason I will continue to buy from them and used if something pops up.

I know I'm about 10 years too late but this is a very good interview with Keith and he talks about when they made the Elvis pin .
He said it was too hard to start one of the five songs .
He said he should have done it differently and used a center scoop to start the songs
( sound familiar ) .
He talks about a lot of interesting stuff .
I've only just discovered topcast podcasts and they really good . I wish people were making podcasts like this today .
http://www.pinrepair.com/topcast/topcast_63.mp3

Does GNR use a transformer or a 48v switching supply? Line voltage shouldn't be an issue with a decent switching supply.

This 1000x over. JJP, are you seeing this? I'll also add, I'd like to be able to pass when I hit the scoop accidentally and start song is ready. Much like the option while in a song. Nothing more frustrating than being forced into a song before boosters/locks are satisfactory

Transformer.

Not to disagree but isn’t that like every game of risk/reward skill play? You try to build up your multiplier then start the mode. IF you don’t aim your shots and start modes randomly that’s on the player. That’s all part of the overall skill that is pinball. Don’t shoot the scoop.

that is good to hear, especially since the game is basically new ha

any cool plastic protector sets out yet or any art blades?? there doesn't seem to be much room to put mirror blades in since its a very tight fit to the cabinet.

I'll agree with you if a song mode is actually lit. Mystery shouldn't give out an award that screws you over though, I avoid shooting the scoop now unless in a booster multiball before a song is ready.

We tested it at a dealer and my wife is having me make it easier to qualify band members to get a song started. One reason she loves Iron Maiden LE is that you can rock out the whole time. I think the default is 3 and we put it on 1 for each member. How will this affect game play as far as locking balls and building up before starting the song? Just try not to shoot the scoop for as long as possible?

does she know that song is lit automatically on ball 3 no matter what?

Now that I agree with. No free songs!

Yes, but theres also risk vs. Reward in being able to cancel the start of song mode to continue to build boosters. Cancel out and you run the risk of draining. Just like when in song mode.

She wants a song going most of the game. I get it, we had an Alice Cooper that she hated because she'd have a hard time getting a song started on that too and halfway through the song you lose the ball and the song is over. No one wants the charity song on ball 3. One of the great things about Maiden is that you choose a song to play to and the modes are other songs.

Making the band members easier to light makes it much quicker to get a song going and that's great for my many casual friends and family. Question is, can the more advanced players compete with each other by now just avoiding the scoop for as long as possible before starting the song?

(To be clear, I'm still waiting for my machine. My wife isn't too convinced it's a good buy because of the default song start difficulty. Also to be clear, she's the reason my house is an arcade.)

scorbit integration now for your games - https://support.scorbit.io/hc/en-us/articles/360059013733-Jersey-Jack-Pinball-Scorbit-Players-Guide

So you want a charity song on ball 1? JJP said they are adding a mode where you pick a song and rock out with unlimited ball save, sounds like your wife will love that feature.

The way the code currently sits it's crucial you go into a song with boosters and locks and actually avoid the album modes or time them out. I know it's silly to complain about a free song but if you care about the score it will piss you off, most likely you will get booed off stage or drain with an early free song award. The album modes need increased scoring badly, so much risk with single ball play and lucky to get 500k while you can blow up a song for 18 mil.

Easier to light band members is not a charity ball. I can't tell if you are being a jerk or not....

None of this answers my original question.

Lol I’m not. I just don’t think making the band members easier to light is a good solution to the perceived problem. If you light the song too quickly she will go into it with not enough balls/ball saver/points to make the song last and be fun. She is more likely to enjoy going into a song with multiple balls, so I’d suggest building they up with balls 1-2 and triggering the song on ball 3. Just my 2c

So maybe JJP can chime in on this because it's not clear on the rules flow chart. What specifically does each booster mode meter increase scoring on? Say for example the pyro booster mode wants switch hits to build the meter, does this mean that all switch hits in the song mode are boosted?

So the game isn't really designed to have a song every ball like most games start modes every ball. Damn, might be a hard sell to get her into it then.

Like I said, there is going to be a feature that allows you to choose any song and play it from the get go with unlimited ball saver. I’m guessing she will love that.

It's like you've been listening in on my conversations with my wife and friends. I love the game, I understand lots of what I'm doing, but I agree with you again. What exactly am I building up when I do throw the lights for example. I understand building it is good, but WHY... what does it boost? I'd also like an explanation of song levels, and how/what builds them. And what are the levels worth once built?? Friends ask what to do, and I can tell them this is good, and that's good, but I have no idea WHY. And what exactly do band member levels do, and what are they worth when boosted? So many questions regarding the finer points of scoring.

You Could just get her an iPod? lol

New code out! 1.08.

=== Game Code
+ added Scorbit scoring and mode support
+ added attract mode jukebox
* fixed an issue with song album progress not showing for the song Patience
* corrected an issue where Shall We Play A Game? did not start the
background music on time
+ added a brightness adjustment for the lit bass guitar on the left ramp on
the Standard Edition
* changed mystery default difficulty
* changed "Continue Add Ball" adjustment to "Continue Add-a-Ball Limit". i
can be set from 0 (No add-a-balls) to 9 or unlimited. default is unlimited.
this is per-song
* fixed power chord add-a-ball
* songs now kill on-the-road modes on start
* various other bug fixes and improvements

=== Core Code
+ added initial Scorbit support
+ added initial NTP/Time Zone support
* network settings are now cleared on factory reset
* fixed crash at game start when camera is disabled
* sped up network initialization greatl

Sweet update....Now all 6 guys that have their games can link up!

How responsive is JJP to owner input on rules?

How committed have they been on past games to polish the code after game release?

Things like Slash Solo, Tour Multiball and Album Wizard Modes seem undervalued based on the difficulty to achieve.

They tweak rules and scores pretty often in the first few months of release then only update once to twice a year after. (based on my experience with DI and Pirates.)

I personally despise the slash solo mode as it's currently coded. Its very undervalued, very risky, and usually results in a drain. I let it time out. Could be a cool side mode with the proper incentives.

Wow that looks awesome....Back Alley does great work and a very reasonable price

I second that!!! The one mode on the game that sorry just sounds like racket and I count the seconds till it times out!

Pretty awesome that Scorbit will be in every game. That stuff isnt cheap if you bought it separately.

New to me. What is that?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/scorbit-official-thread

Thanks!

Downloading it now.

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Yep, included by default. JJP was an absolutely joy to work with to make it happen. Amazing people.

I realize it can be expensive, depending on the use case. It takes a lot to manage the cloud infrastructure and manage the hardware. That being said, for standard (home) accounts, we're offering a one year free promotion on the website for standard accounts (although JJP machines are free always anyway).

The app is new and in development, so we'll release features on that as fast as we can. You should also check out the ScorbitVision visualizations available to all users if you get a chance, it can really brighten up a game room. (Although I know some of you guys love your dark and sinister dungeons.) Instructions on how to use all that stuff is here: https://support.scorbit.io/hc/en-us/sections/360011974773-ScorbitVision-Guides

We welcome feedback on all of this of course!

This system is made to be put in at the manufacturers level. It was a great idea to partner with JJP! Hopefully other manufacturers line up too!

Lots of new helpful callouts in the new code.

I just updated code and had a weird glitch where the screen went full solid color and I lost all animations etc. seemed to glitch right as I was starting a song at the center scoop. anyone else encounter this? i turned it off and back on and all was good again.

Nothing like that here.

Where is the setting for guitar brightness?

how does attract mode jukebox work?

It’s pretty cool. You can set it to be automatic or manual. In auto it just starts playing a song in attract. You can choose if you want just the song, song with video, or song video and light show. In manual you need to hold the action button to start.

Also, anyone know what switch #18 “bumper rubber” is?

When you go into switch test you can toggle a playfield map that shows you exactly.

It’s the rubber ring to the left of the “P” under the hat.

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This sounds very promising. Like a mini game, play one song in its entirety and see how many points you get. Could make for a great party game. I really like that Keith elwin is adding these mode options to his games as well (JP).

I wish I knew what you guys were talking about.

Attract mode jukebox , can you actually control what song is played?

Mind

You push the button to skip to the next song. You can set it to album order or shuffle.