After adjusting it correctly..... Loosening the two screws behind that scoop shield allows you to adjust it ...the shield can pivot left or right directing the ball. Once you've got it where you want it, Then tighten them down.

Attention PanzerFreak

JJP made a post on their Facebook page earlier today about Godfather, Toy Story and Guns N' Roses all being available for order.

Someone commented "Is gun's and roses going to get new code to balance the game? Not in this lifetime lol" to which JJP replied "all you need is just a little patience. "

I thought the old saying was "good things come to those who wait." Besides that, it sure sounds like a code update is coming, otherwise why would JJP suggest we need a little more patience? That's really the crux of the issue - is code coming? Yes. When? Sometime. That's better than not at all. At least those who are all bent out of shape over it and out of patience and wondering if it will ever happen, have an answer now.

I don't understand all the code complaining. While not perfect answers, there are some obvious choices:

1. Make small changes to the game settings, reduce multi ball, you can make it however you like! SOLUTION.
2. Grab the beta. It's got bug fixes, some adjusted light shows, EQ and other stuff. SOLUTION
3. Do #1 and #2, enjoy the game. Maybe some more aggressive change will come, be happy with what you have. SOLUTION.
4. Move on and sell. The game isn't for you w/its current functionality. SOLUTION.

Clearly the above is somewhat tongue-in-cheek ... everyone is free to speak their mind.

Keefer and crew have repeatedly said a production update is coming, the beta work is part of that process, and when all the bugs, and items have been dealt with, it will release. They reinforced what we know yet again with the Facebook response. See altan post above for options

Hey Guys,
I recently noticed that the bass riff the happens right after the startup process ends, has stopped happening. The game just silently is ready to go.
I don’t see any errors… has anyone else experienced this?

That's the Scorbit sound. They removed Scorbit

Really? Scorbit is gone? When did that happen?
I used it occasionally but it was kind on inconvenient and the app itself was kind of a hassle.

Probably about a month ago by now?
JJP dropped Scorbit across all games.
Check the Scorbit thread for more info.
Hopefully they'll at least replace it with some in-house solution?

I just had my best booster multiball 4-stack ever with many locks, jackpots, supers, galore and lasted what felt like 10 minutes. I can’t believe how long I kept it going, since I usually suck. When it ended I wanted to go straight to the song, looked and was Civil War, my experience told me it was a bad choice. So I changed it by hitting a target, but bounced right off and out. No problem, I thought, I still had one ball left, which I sank right into the scoop after launching.

But thats when I realized I had made a huge mistake. I had forgotten to disable album mode which I did prior so much earlier. Now instead of seeing some
monumental song level I had in my head, I saw the Thirst for Carnage mode. My head was knocked out of the game. I drained trying to get the first shot under the flipper.

That was so disappointing. I need to stop playing this game, but I can’t help it.

Low on the code polish list for me would be to just ask me mode or not when I land in the scoop. Make it just like cashing out a song jackpot with double buttons or action button to control it.

I’ve lost count how many times I had the perfect booster, patch stack and all 6 balls locked only to screw it up and not even get to play a song. I feel your pain. Better luck next time. Mega scores are attainable. And will be someday.

Go ahead and cry those tears to really FEEL, then hit START and have another go.

The game has flaws. That’s obviously why it’s the most polarizing game in recent history. No denying that scoring is very unbalanced and slash solo is the worst mode in all of pinball. There are plenty of excellent code suggestions that will make this game better. Keefer and JJP are lazy with the code updates. Period. GNR is their flagship pin. You would think they would cater to those that bought the game and try to turn the negative tide against it.

No other modern game has seen this substantial drop in value. Yes you can manipulate the code to your liking. Same as any other pin. We shouldn’t have to change the rules through the settings to make the game better. We pay $10k plus for JJP to do that. Keefer, wake up please

Thunderbirds would like to object to this attempted coup on its reign.

Also, if things don't turn around, Bond will be nipping at GnR's heels soon, too.

It's not unprecedented at all. Just uncommon in the recent era of pinflation. Pins losing value after launch used to be normal.

Had to change a rubber yesterday.
The one under the guitar lock.
What a PITA - especially with a slipped disc in my lumbar, just saying ….lol

Umm…

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Thanks! I’ll check that out. Much appreciated!

Changed my flipper strength, def makes a difference for sure.

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I was looking at it from a pure dollar standpoint. GNR is down a solid $3,000 compared to the NIB price. Looks like they will be had in the $7,500 range pretty soon.

I had to look up the details on Thunderbirds. Doesn’t sound like they made too many. Manufacturer was Homepin (china)?

Hard to see Bond dropping $3,000 to $3,900 on a pro model.

People paid upwards of $12k+ for this game and there hasn’t been a publicly released code update in over 18 months. The lack of code updates has clearly hurt game sales as well as resale value. There’s things JJP could do with the code but they refuse to acknowledge concerns from the community. The company now seems more focused on coding the next game and moving on. Heck Pirates was announced 5 years ago and still doesn’t have it final wizard mode.

Also, having to manually tweaks settings doesn’t change perception about the game as location players, and many home owners, will never make those changes. Needing to tweak settings also shows “something isn’t working right” by default, it exposes flaws. Finally how long can a code update remain in beta? 6 months seems like a while but a year+? That’s ridiculous.

I like my GNR LE, it’s not going anywhere, but the lack of code support had led to me choose a Stern for my next pinball purchase versus JJP. I just placed a deposit down for a Godzilla Premium over a Godfather LE due the code update situation over at JJP. I’m done waiting for code updates that never come or those that only offer a few bug fixes (and removal of ScoreBit lol).

What’s a reasonable amount of time for a code update to be in beta? A few months great, 6 months alright, but 18 months+? No. The next time my wife asks me to work on a house project I’ll just say “it’s in beta” and see if I can wait a year and a half lol. Meanwhile Stern is putting out code updates and continuing to polish their games (while implementing some changes based on owner feedback) left and right.

GNR has tanked in value and a big part of that is due to to the state of its code. JJP’s lack of action has shown they don’t care and that’s sad as it didn’t used to be that way. JJP once implemented some massive game changing updates with Hobbit based on community feedback. Those updates had a huge impact on the game including its value and I bet more games sales. Is JJP that same company today? I sure hope so but as each day passes without a substantial code update that starts to fade.

Amazing buying opportunity.
Remember, you only lose money if you sell!

The question is just fishing for an argument and the answer is subjective. The discussion has value to the antagonist or the journalist (synonyms?). Fodder for your podcast.

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Damn that’s a long time isn’t it. My GNR will never go anywhere (huge fan of the band, own most of the lithographs on the LE) so I dont care about value
However I do care about the game being complete. I’m astonished Pirates doesn’t have a wizard mode, at least GNR has one not like I’ll get to it
My guess is scoring in the wizard mode still isn’t better than a song
I don’t think the scoring logic is correct in the game
Album and wizards modes should score higher as factory settings not tweaks

I remember passing on a Hobbit for $6k so the price can rebound but I am sure there are a lot more GnR's out there that will hurt demand.

Speaking on the topic, we were doomed from the get-go from Pirates speculators buying in. Couple that with their initial knock out sales saturation, quality issues, and later lackluster support of code or quality resolution and its truly a disaster of a situation. Not that the value matters to me as it's a keeper, but owning another NIB JJP is never going to even be a consideration for me. I traded a MMr SE with the King of Toppers for my GnR NIB and added some cash lol.

Stealing that picture! Funny

All this talk of if they do Code updates , the game will go up in value , is just crap .
They've sold so many and they're still available NIB , so why would it go up in price ?
Once they're no longer available , that's when they will rise in value .
It's not like they're going to add video modes or change the style of gameplay , they'll just do some score balancing and some tweaks . So if you don't like how it plays now , move on and find something you prefer .
And they've released a number of code updates but if you don't want to use them , that's your choice .

Code updates have a direct impact to game value. Ghostbusters and Hobbit for example wouldn't be worth what they are today without the last few big code updates each game received. Same goes for a ton of other games. Jurassic Park by Stern would in no way be worth what it is today without those final couple code updates that went above and beyond to polish and add additional modes to the game.

If code complete was represented by a finish line then JJP is just barely reaching it with their latest games while Stern is running past the line another mile or so to deliver more value for customers. Stern has likely sold as many Godzilla's as JJP GNR's yet look at that games value! Why is it so high? A big part of that is the incredible code support from Stern. A Godzilla premium, a premium, is now worth more then a GNR LE that has more features in it. That's sad.

GNR needs a 2.0 style update, not just some minor scoring balance and tweaks. There's a number of multiballs in the game that just feel mindless with little mode choreography. Have them all stacking together, toss in the "shoot everything" mode and the game can feel like a big mess at times. If the game stays as it is ok, that makes my decision to buy a Godzilla over Godfather feel even better. I'm not dealing with this same code update waiting game again at these insane prices.

Tell me what the big code update was , which changed the value of the Hobbit .
Last big update , let you see in the game menu , when you held a Flipper , was all the different values of the modes and if you had done them or not , that's not going to change the price of the game .
The Hobbit went up in value because after all the bullshit hate of there's nothing to shoot for and there's nothing in it , died down , people realised what an awesome game and how incorporated all the modes were and had all the assets and when you couldn't buy a new one , it went up in value .
And Ghostbusters is just as divisive as it ever was , and once again the reason it's gone up in value is because you can't buy a NIB .

Ah, a play-mate for panzer. I think he found his first guest speaker for his new show called "PanzerFreak's flippin' out!” I can't wait for the release.

I'm too boring but if you really want a ratings winner ,Thunderbird needs to be his first guest

This makes me happy. Complain about code all you want, you're entitled to it, especially since you're hanging in there and keeping it. I think we'll get that update within the next 569 days. We've got to be past the half way point of waiting now.

I know it will NEVER happen, but JJP should just suck it up, and make a contract with Stern to use their Insider Connected stuff. Consolidate all the games to one single platform.

Checkout the release notes below, that first big update, 2.9, is when everything started to change for the Hobbit. A ton of things were added (final wizard mode, the mode ranking system, mode rewrites, new lightshots, new animations, etc) and then things only continued to improve from there. There's a bunch of other smaller updates I didn't even add that continued to polish the game. If these updates were not added game value would have continued to tank and it wouldn't be as well regarded as it is today.

The update wait for Hobbit from 2.01 (December 15th, 2017) to 2.9 (June 28th, 2018) is about the same amount of time where we are at now with waiting for a GNR code update. Will the GNR code update be anywhere near as substantial as what we see below with Hobbit? Sadly probably not but this is what JJP was once capable of and I hope we see a return to code update glory from them.

This is how you polish and support a game post release! This is what "we make the best pinball machines in the world" looks like. This is what Stern is doing now...

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Bah , I heard someone say the other day , if you play a Stern game for the first time and do ok you should get about 10 achievements . The same as scorebit .
Hopefully JJP makes it so , you pick the achievement you want and then you go for it and then it would be like having heaps of mini modes . That would be a lot better than just playing the game and getting achievements without knowing why you got them .
So much more satisfying .

I brought the game a couple years after it's release and I enjoyed the updates as they were released .
I would have brought the game regardless .
I understand your wishes and hopes for the games but it is what it is .
At the end of the day , you either enjoy the games or you don't , anything extra is a bonus .

What better than a GnR LE?

2 of course....

And for the people talking price. When the LE was announced we inquired about buying 2.

We were quoted (from a well known disty) $9100 shipped for 2.

I'm sure we were not the only one..

So some people are almost breaking even at current prices.

Almost 2 years later and we have our 2!

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Congrats, x2.
You got EACH for 9100 shipped? 18,2 total.
On October 5th, it will be 3 years since announced.
And of course, puzzled why 2?

My guess is he can play one with the left spotlight working, and choose to play the other in case he wants to watch the right spotlight working.

Brilliant.

That makes sense..cuz we needed to get some money off the books before the end of the year.

So it was probably 3 years.

I will say these were less than the quoted price back then.

110%

Fresh GNR code fixing the main shortcomings of the game could boost resale and sales nicely.

JJP charges a pretty penny for their games. Lack of support is definitely holding this company back which is such a shame.

Anyone know if a Stern or Williams shooter lane protector fits GnR? Or a link to a JJP one?

Edit-
I cut to fit some mylar, lowered the trough coil, should be all I need.

Spring cleaning the parts closet. Full set of Lior mods, Sven mods, and plastic protectors/eject protectors for GNR LE.

SOLD!

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Dang this is a good deal. All these mods are great.
I prefer Sven's stage kit over Lior. But that is it.... the Lior drum set is really awesome, along with the action button, shooter and skull really dress up GNR...

Any new GNR owner that likes these kinds of mods should grab this deal. The best top quality and a great price compared to new.

Mine ain't leaving either. Also big fan of the band and having mine signed by Slash and co does not hurt. Have only the Litho from the concert where they signed it at their hotel in Groningen last year and that litho is even a little pinball themed which for me was great.

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You can't do it that way because you're comparing unequal games with different price points. You have to do it as a percentage of value.

A Bond pro is ~$7000. A GnR LE was $10,500 or $11,000, depending on when you bought them. If they're down $3k (looks more like $2-$2.5k, depending on when you bought, but let's say your $3k), that's ~25%. Bond Pros can be had for ~$6-6.2k used (if they sell at all, lots of "not solds" in the archive), which is -15% already, and it's very new compared to a 3 year old GnR.

Thunderbirds are down about 50% from initial price, so that's a trainwreck, but one I am curious to own on the cheap. If you have one, PM me. I feel like I have to play one to know how of its legendary awfulness firsthand.

Take a look at Spooky's Halloween and Ultraman; both have identical playfields and both were released with barely alpha code. Over the year or more of production, Spooky slowly released code updates but mostly for Halloween, and that pin has for the most part held it's value. Ultraman on the other hand has tanked and can now be had for 2-3k under MSRP. Part of that may have to do with theme (Halloween being more popular than Ultraman), but regardless, the lack of code killed Ultraman imo.

Didn't most people buy in on GNRLE at that $9500 price? I know it took well over a year to get through that first month's orders (mine included). Still a sizeable drop but I wouldn't have been a buyer at $10.5k or $11k.

I don't know what the distribution was, but probably around half at $9.5k in the first year then the other half spread across 10.5k and 11k over the next 2 years or so. So yeah, in THAT case, the GnR value drop of those early adopters of the GnR LE after more than 3 years is LESS than Bond after less than 1 year. Connery am cry.