Quoted from PinMonk:

Joel had a bug on GnR on his stream tonight. Had two balls locked in the guitar neck and spent too much time on the song select. The song select timer hadn't run out, but apparently the lock release timer had been running? It released the balls while he was still trying to decide on a song...
Clipped it:
https://clips.twitch.tv/PhilanthropicClearManateeAMPEnergy-fyl2mxfXUzlOEDwK

Quoted from Eskaybee:

screaminr reported this a few months back. Good to get it clipped and recorded but honestly, JJP coding team seems to be hurting. Won’t even fix the DD scoring bug or address slash solo. Not looking good for JJP lately it seems (hope I’m wrong).

Quoted from Eskaybee:

screaminr reported this a few months back. Good to get it clipped and recorded but honestly, JJP coding team seems to be hurting. Won’t even fix the DD scoring bug or address slash solo. Not looking good for JJP lately it seems (hope I’m wrong).

Quoted from DiabloRush:

I own both a GnR and Hobbit. Two totally different and amazing games.
Hobbit has some of the most interesting and varied shots and modes ever done. The 3 banks of individually-controlled drop targets are put to stunning use in this game. So many different shots. Moving targets, hit the targets behind but NOT the drops, and of course, the final kill shot for Smaug. I agree this is probably the most stunning moment in Pinball. It's hard for a reason: you not only have to get to this point, then you have to load the Windlass (captured ball shot by solenoid from the left outdrain), it fires to the upper flipper, and you have one chance to hit the switch behind a single, dropped target in a 5-target bank. This simulates killing Smaug by placing a careful shot through a missing scale in his armor. Do it, and the flippers go dead, balls drain, and you get an amazing video sequence. Anyway, theres much more to Hobbit: best action button use in any game, choices throughout at each stage, "monster" popups that force you to change shots and strategy, etc. If you want a mode-based adventure game with varied shots and objectives, this is it. It's the better playing game of the two.
GnR is the best overall pinball experience. The highlight in GnR is the stunning song/light choreography. There's nothing like the light shows on GnR anywhere in pinball, and the overall integration with the videos and songs is just amazing. I never tire of reaching Dirty Robot. The yellow/red light theme and some of the best video animation ever done accompany this mode. GnR does have some rule-based strategy to optimize scoring. The rules do have some complexity if you want to maximize points, but you don't need to know much to just enjoy getting song modes and see each unique light show. Patch collecting, for example, is a deep rabbit hole that will takes months to fully explore. GnR is the better walk-up-and-play machine for guests and friends that aren't pinheads.
My biggest criticism of GnR is the static nature of the layout. Unlike Hobbit, you pretty much shoot the same shots and field for each mode. This isn't bad. 98% of all pinballs are this way. Hobbit isn't, which makes it really dynamic with its combination of modes, bank targets, and popups.
Really, you can't wrong with either. Both are in my personal top-10.
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Quoted from DiabloRush:

I own both a GnR and Hobbit. Two totally different and amazing games.
Hobbit has some of the most interesting and varied shots and modes ever done. The 3 banks of individually-controlled drop targets are put to stunning use in this game. So many different shots. Moving targets, hit the targets behind but NOT the drops, and of course, the final kill shot for Smaug. I agree this is probably the most stunning moment in Pinball. It's hard for a reason: you not only have to get to this point, then you have to load the Windlass (captured ball shot by solenoid from the left outdrain), it fires to the upper flipper, and you have one chance to hit the switch behind a single, dropped target in a 5-target bank. This simulates killing Smaug by placing a careful shot through a missing scale in his armor. Do it, and the flippers go dead, balls drain, and you get an amazing video sequence. Anyway, theres much more to Hobbit: best action button use in any game, choices throughout at each stage, "monster" popups that force you to change shots and strategy, etc. If you want a mode-based adventure game with varied shots and objectives, this is it. It's the better playing game of the two.
GnR is the best overall pinball experience. The highlight in GnR is the stunning song/light choreography. There's nothing like the light shows on GnR anywhere in pinball, and the overall integration with the videos and songs is just amazing. I never tire of reaching Dirty Robot. The yellow/red light theme and some of the best video animation ever done accompany this mode. GnR does have some rule-based strategy to optimize scoring. The rules do have some complexity if you want to maximize points, but you don't need to know much to just enjoy getting song modes and see each unique light show. Patch collecting, for example, is a deep rabbit hole that will takes months to fully explore. GnR is the better walk-up-and-play machine for guests and friends that aren't pinheads.
My biggest criticism of GnR is the static nature of the layout. Unlike Hobbit, you pretty much shoot the same shots and field for each mode. This isn't bad. 98% of all pinballs are this way. Hobbit isn't, which makes it really dynamic with its combination of modes, bank targets, and popups.
Really, you can't wrong with either. Both are in my personal top-10.
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Quoted from PinMonk:

Yeah, I figured a clip would help Hogbog at least get it to someone who could fix it, but yeah JJP is really dropping the ball on code updates. jjPotC and GnR both need AT LEAST a bunch of bug fixes and hopefully some new code. They're really dropping the ball. Not a good sign of how the place is being managed these days.

Quoted from screaminr:

Dammit , I was on a roll having good games and then my scoop started going STDM , thought I have to tighten it again , and then I saw the rubber had broken .
I know it's been mentioned , but where do you get them from .
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Quoted from screaminr:

Put some electrical tape to fix it up , not pretty but doing the job so far .
No point in ordering more of the same rubber .
I'll see what I can find .
What is it with jjp making premium games but putting the cheapest / crappiest , rubber on them .
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Quoted from Mar3nBu:

Hi everyone! I just wanted to drop a few lines to give kudos to the JJP Support team, specifically Brian. I opened a ticket today due to an issue with one of the spotlight brackets and literally less than an hour later we have it sorted out and fix on its way. And this is not a one off, but rather my experience every time I had a ticket with them. Kudos Brian and JJP! Love my machine and also love the customer care you guys provide!

Quoted from RA77:

Shooter lane false activation is still an ongoing problem for me. 2 replacement sensor pcbs installed so far. Initial problem was sensor 4 false trigger when game got hot. Now it is sensor 3 false trigger when game is cold.
The proximity sensors used in GnR are a cool little device however they appear to be extremely "delicate" (sorry I can't think of a better term ) with regards to calibration. They are supposed auto cal up to 100mm. I think that they may struggle with the wild reflections created from the starburst inserts ?
APDS-9130 Device info
https://www.broadcom.com/products/optical-sensors/proximity-sensors/apds-9130
I am of firm belief that modified code is required with regards to sensor pulse count. It appears that there is no adjustment for gain/sensitivity, limiting code options for improvement of device reliability for pinball machine ball sensor application.
I am guessing that this type of proximity sensor will be seen in Toy Story. Will be interesting to see if JJP continues to use the 9130 device ?
If so one can only hope that coders and engineers will be allowed the time to address this reliability issue.
With regard to guitar lock sensors, they appear to be much more reliable for some reason. Starburst inserts are used here as well yet I think the depth of insert hole is less ?
Anyway main problem I have encountered with guitar lock sensors is all 6 were intermittently dropping out entirely. This appeared to be caused by the blue ethernet style comms cable between the upper pcb and the I/O pcb underneath the main playfield required re-seating.
The 2 ball in shooter lane is likely a ball through problem, check re-seat ball trough connectors. And perhaps check the balls have not be become magnetized.

Quoted from Maurice:

I choose the 850W Seasonic because I plan to add pinstadium and pinwoofer.
With the original 450W the game sometimes crashed. A song wouldn’t start for example or just during gameplay the game rebooted. After reading on Pinside about these issues I decided to go for maximum reliability.
The pinwoofer and pinstadium are not installed yet. I did add extra LED backbox lighting.
Also added is an active 300W subwoofer, but I don’t think that makes any difference for the power supply.
In short: sofar I played a handful of games and the game works exactly as before. No crashes sofar. I’ll update once a few 100 more games are played.

Quoted from GoinPostal:

I've had LE for 11 months now and it has never worked correctly. I am sick to my stomach and I hate looking at it. JJP keeps sending boards that do not work. Biggest most expensive mistake of my life.
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Quoted from GoinPostal:

I've had LE for 11 months now and it has never worked correctly. I am sick to my stomach and I hate looking at it. JJP keeps sending boards that do not work. Biggest most expensive mistake of my life.
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Quoted from GoinPostal:

I've had LE for 11 months now and it has never worked correctly.

Quoted from thekaiser82:

What issues are common with the shooter lane skill shot sensors? Mine occasionally register before I plunge and then auto plunge the ball. Never really thought much of it and just go on my merry way having a good time.

Quoted from GoinPostal:

I've had LE for 11 months now and it has never worked correctly. I am sick to my stomach and I hate looking at it. JJP keeps sending boards that do not work. Biggest most expensive mistake of my life.
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Quoted from PinMonk:

What's the problem you are having? Sensors on the skill shot not working right? There's no reason you should have had a machine down for 11 months.

Quoted from zaphX:

What, specifically, does this mean? What is not working correctly?
Lots of us in here happy to help troubleshoot, sometimes the problems are known or have easy fixes.

Quoted from RA77:

Im so sorry to hear that. I am waiting for another board and my game has had the problem for around 11 months as well.
The game is so good and I would like to keep it.
I am somewhat ocd and wish to have all my games working 100%
The shooter problem is very intermittent for me and has shifted from sensor 4 to sensor 3 on my game. A new playfield controller board is on its way, so hopefully this will fix the problem.
My distributor and the team at JJP support have been helpful towards me.
I am fortunate to have electronics trade and pinball maintenance experience.
I would be happy to help you with any information I have regarding the problem via pm to try help you work through this.

Quoted from Vespula:

Ya let's get on this! All of pinside including the JJP guys are here.

Quoted from zaphX:

What, specifically, does this mean? What is not working correctly?
Lots of us in here happy to help troubleshoot, sometimes the problems are known or have easy fixes.

Quoted from GoinPostal:

Skill shot and the guitar neck, skill shot just ruins your plunge shot, guitar neck stops the game in its tracks. Ejecting from the neck is a problem, during the game you get audible drum roll and no eject. At the end of song, ball or game the coils fire every time, I thought this was key, finding the failing input but JJP dismissed the theory. Just replaced shooter lane pcb and rj45 card pictured, now it's worse.

Quoted from ThePinballFuries:

Looks like it just sheared off from someplace.

Quoted from CTHOMAS1998:

if I reset the High Scores, will it delete ALL the pictures it took that it shows in attract mode?

Quoted from LTG:

Look around under the playfield. Can't be that many broken brass bolt shanks around.

Quoted from Vespula:

Any schematic electronic geeks have any theories why "switch #079 not used" is being triggered in
my switch history??
I've been dealing with the drumstick sensor # 57 randomly triggering on it's own after the game gets warmer after 20 or 30 minutes in...
Now I'm seeing that 57 plus this #79 is showing repeatedly in my history report too... How the heck is a not used switch 79 being triggered?

Quoted from RA77:

Im so sorry to hear that. I am waiting for another board and my game has had the problem for around 11 months as well.
The game is so good and I would like to keep it.
I am somewhat ocd and wish to have all my games working 100%
The shooter problem is very intermittent for me and has shifted from sensor 4 to sensor 3 on my game. A new playfield controller board is on its way, so hopefully this will fix the problem.
My distributor and the team at JJP support have been helpful towards me.
I am fortunate to have electronics trade and pinball maintenance experience.
I would be happy to help you with any information I have regarding the problem via pm to try help you work through this.

Quoted from CTHOMAS1998:

Quick question..... if I reset the High Scores, will it delete ALL the pictures it took that it shows in attract mode? I don't necessarily want to reset the high scores, but the pictures NEED replacing. There are a couple in there that look idiotic, and I'd love to delete them and let them be replaced. Any ideas?

Quoted from GoinPostal:

Shooter lane pcb that didn't help...
Unrelated question, can you change the timing of applause jackpot so the flippers turn off before applause jackpot ends?
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Quoted from PinMonk:

It's not used on the LE, but it's for the coma lockup on the CE. That whole column it's in are optos, and 57 is an opto, too, so probably a flaky multi-opto board or connector on that board. I'd reseat all those connectors, but I would suspect the opto controller board itself for the 79 one. For the 57 one, it may just need to be cleaned with a q-tip.

Quoted from Vespula:

Thx.
I'm leaning towards opto board now too. I tried qtip, then JJP sent me a new circuit board for under my drumsticks to fix the 57 and I swapped but no change.
The 79 showing up in history is new.
The 79 say connected to j-202 in the switch matrix.. but 57 is different and I know that is in the backbox. How do I locate the opto board you're specifically recommending reseating ? Also In the back box?
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Quoted from Vespula:

Thx.
I'm leaning towards opto board now too. I tried qtip, then JJP sent me a new circuit board for under my drumsticks to fix the 57 and I swapped but no change.

Quoted from GoinPostal:

Thanks,
My number 1 problem is the guitar neck, proximity sensors and the eject coil. After doing full sensor calibration, they'll start flickering almost immediately. I work with proximity sensors all day every day, they're not that complicated. Unfortunately these don't have potentiometers. All calibration is software, nothing I can work with. The neck eject coil fires 100% at end of song, ball, game, but during song with the drumroll sound effect it will fire maybe 10% (at best)of the time.
Side note, I think Texas has more pinheads than Chicago, thanks!

Quoted from PinMonk:

Do you have a multimeter? The surface mount transistors on the opto board are really small, but if your probes have fine points on them, you could probably get enough of the probe on each lead to test them to see if one of them is bad - the one giving you the phantom 79 activation. It could be a chip or resistor, too, but transistor is the first suspect.

Quoted from PinMonk:

Another thought I had is while on the switch test screen, with the interlock post pulled out so the PF has power, maybe activate all the other optos in that row, one by one and see if any of them also trigger opto 79.

Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Maybe I need to come over and put up a couple of more high scores on your game. It has been a while since I had been over.

Quoted from CTHOMAS1998:

Hahahaha, that's why I didn't want to reset the high scores. But some of those pictures...... geez I had this idiotic look on my face and the wife kept harassing me about them. They had to disappear

Quoted from Jobuko:

Patch Collection side mission complete! I blew it on a maxed out November Rain and couldn't capitalize for a mega high score, but at least I know what it looks like when you get patched all the way up! The grind was real.
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Quoted from Jobuko:

Patch Collection side mission complete! I blew it on a maxed out November Rain and couldn't capitalize for a mega high score, but at least I know what it looks like when you get patched all the way up! The grind was real.
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Quoted from Vespula:

This is way cool. Never seen that. Never thought about it either... You did that with the glass on?
Is that final victory lap patch shown with the pinball "GnR was here" an actual final patch to collect?

Quoted from Jobuko:

I don't see a spot on the jacket for it, so I presume it is just a placeholder/picture for bonus points.

Quoted from Ecw0930:

Just hit 107m jackpot on Jungle. Had some great simultaneous multiballs before that. Had all the balls out there. Had fender, vater, and dudd patches going into it.
I wasn't going to play it bc I didn't have fun and rose patch but it was the song the game chose so I stuck with it.
Went bonkers on it. Most fun I've had on the game in a long time. It was one of those games... You know, THOSE games!
Ended up with somewhere in the 130m-140m range at the end of the game.
Woohoo! G'n'f'n'R!