Quoted from PinMonk:The Pyramid is a cheap speaker, nothing to write home about, and you can't compare spec sheets because exaggeration is the order of the day in that price range from China.
Just a quick look at the amazon reviews for both has only 38% 5 star/23% 3 star on the Pyramid and 64% five star/12% 3 star on the Goldwood.
Plus the goldwood is what came with the kit, so they know the sound they want to give you. I'd go with what they gave you.

Quoted from cooked71:

What difference does magnet size make? The Pyramid magnet is significantly larger than the Goldwood.

Quoted from holminone:

I officially suck at scoring. My average game is probably 1.7 million. Average start song value maybe 60. I still haven’t figured out what I need to do to hit the make some noise shot “under” the upper right flipper. That just feels like a lost cause.

Quoted from RA77:

Disclosure, I'm no audio expert, but like to have my head around and understand basic specs.
I cannot confirm performance until I actually get some time on my game, still waiting parts for bulletproofing.
I agree with Vic on this one mate,
They are all China special, Try not to be misled by bs power statements and flashy stickers.
I have great trust in Dan from Pinwoofer and keen to try out his kick ass products.
From what I can see the Gold Wood is a superior product, at least they publish specs, there is very little detail to be found on the Pyramid.
I dunno if a CE really needs the PW upgrade ? a great option is to add an external sub.
From what I have read Pinwoofer, Dans products , support and dedication is next level
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Quoted from cooked71:

Nothing against Pinwoofer or Dan, just noticed my sub appeared to be better than the stock one in the LE’s and it’s a different sub than in the instructions for the upgrade. I don’t know a lot about speakers so thought I’d ask the question of people that do.
It seems the 2 speakers are pretty much the same spec - flashy labeling or not - so in that case I may as well just leave the stock one in and I can use the Pinwoofer one elsewhere. Not complaining.
Or I might swap them after a bit and see if I can tell the difference.
As for the CE upgrade, I was assured by others and Dan that the overall kit would still be an solid upgrade on the CE. Was keen to try it out. If it’s no different (which I doubt) I’ll just throw it in Wonka.
The kit itself seems solid and really professional.
One day I’ll try an external sub.

Quoted from cooked71:

Nothing against Pinwoofer or Dan, just noticed my sub appeared to be better than the stock one in the LE’s and it’s a different sub than in the instructions for the upgrade. I don’t know a lot about speakers so thought I’d ask the question of people that do.
It seems the 2 speakers are pretty much the same spec - so in that case I may as well just leave the stock one in and I can use the Pinwoofer one elsewhere. Not complaining.
Or I might swap them after a bit and see if I can tell the difference.
As for the CE upgrade, I was assured by others and Dan that the overall kit would still be an solid upgrade on the CE. Was keen to try it out. If it’s no different (which I doubt) I’ll just throw it in Wonka.
The kit itself seems solid and really professional.
One day I’ll try an external sub.

Quoted from RA77:

I dunno if a CE really needs the PW upgrade ? a great option is to add an external sub.

Quoted from PinWoofer:

Hey RA77 !
I can say with 100% confidence you'll get a massive improvement with the PinWoofer system - for all of the trims.
The CE sound bar has the same tweeters as the backbox. It also has the same 2.5" mid-range speakers used in WoZ and The Hobbit; these are full-range paper speakers and there are four of them. We recommend disabling the sound bar on the CE since it will "pollute" your new PinWoofer sound field. (We know this because we have evaluated this sound bar.)
External subs are great and I certainly will not knock them, but there is such a rich experience in the backbox that will go unrealized doing only this (also, most are satisfied with the great bass boost we provide and find they don't need an external). The entire audio spectrum supplements the bass and an external simply cannot reproduce these upper frequencies and fill in this content. The level of detail in GNR's track is indescribable - you have to hear it in order to fully understand it.
Thanks for your kind mention of us!

Quoted from holminone:

Do you need or recommend the full eq kit or is it a good start to order the back box tweeter upgrade?

Quoted from deejaypee:

I’m right there with you man. I feel like I’m getting better but the scores aren’t reflecting it… yet. My GC score is like 22 mil. The other day I got a song value up to my personal best of like 95, even played the song pretty well, and came away with 8 million. The thing is stingy!
I have only been able to start make some noise on accident except once when I had a bouncing ball above the right flipper and was able to backhand it home. Felt great but it’s a pretty out-of-control way to make it happen. Hopefully some angle genius will chime in and tell us how to get it going on the regular…

Quoted from killborn:

I'm curious how many owners have their machine pitched lower to be able to back hand the ramp, and if they do, does it help in gameplay having that shot be more reliable? Also, do people think that a more reliable shot helps their scores?
I'm at 6.8 pitch and I really like how the game plays overall, but I rarely collect enough patches before a song, and if I do collect a set or Vater, Duff, Gun, I'm at ball 3 or I drain trying.
I also like 6.8 because I don't get murdered by slingshot to outlane drains as often. So I guess I'm curious what people think about that as well in terms of gameplay benefit.

Quoted from zaphX:

I have pitch set to the top of the bubble at the second line from the bottom.
My left ramp is backhandable and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Don't be afraid to configure it however you like to make it enjoyable for you!

Quoted from killborn:

I'm curious how many owners have their machine pitched lower to be able to back hand the ramp, and if they do, does it help in gameplay having that shot be more reliable? Also, do people think that a more reliable shot helps their scores?
I'm at 6.8 pitch and I really like how the game plays overall, but I rarely collect enough patches before a song, and if I do collect a set or Vater, Duff, Gun, I'm at ball 3 or I drain trying.
I also like 6.8 because I don't get murdered by slingshot to outlane drains as often. So I guess I'm curious what people think about that as well in terms of gameplay benefit.

Quoted from JvdS:

Me too, exactly the same setup. Upper playfield with left flipper backhand works 6 out of 10 times

Quoted from Mattyk:

Pardon me if this is a stupid question, but is there any concern with the vibrations the pinwoofer system causes in regards to node boards in stern games? Not sure if JJP has node boards as well. Could the vibrations from the bass cause issues?

Quoted from PinWoofer:

Not at all - this is a good question Mattyk . We've never had a report of an issue due to acoustical vibration and there are scores of our systems out there, and for years. As a reference Spooky and other manufacturers add powered amplifiers and speakers to their titles in the same way. Consider also that many titles have shaker motors which produce far greater mechanical vibration compared to a cabinet speaker that adds more bass. There is not so much happening that the legs skip off the floor et cetera. Just more bass added to the cabinet in the right amount. Hope that helps.

Quoted from PinWoofer:

Hey guys - lots of great discussion!
We have copies of two different JJP factory cabinet speakers and are aware of a third. These are the GRS 8PR-8 and the Pyramid WX85X, both made in China (as is the Goldwood GW-8024 we supply).

Quoted from cooked71:

...One day I’ll try an external sub.

Quoted from Gear_Grinder:

Still trying to figure out the deep ruleset and for the life of me can’t figure out where the hurry up shots are? Can someone help please

Quoted from zaphX:

I have pitch set to the top of the bubble at the second line from the bottom.
My left ramp is backhandable and I wouldn't have it any other way.
Don't be afraid to configure it however you like to make it enjoyable for you!

Quoted from Xelz:

Whenever my GNR arrives I’m definitely installing PinWoofer and an external sub. Dan sells an add on for the GT kit that provides a line-out for a sub with volume control inside the cabinet.
I did this to my Deadpool and holy s*** what a difference! First time I turned on DP with the new sound system my wife could hear and feel the pin from the other end of the house, on a different floor, and thought the neighbors were hosting a backyard party

Quoted from cybevenom:

After 3 broken servo motors (2 times the same one) i got tired of it and switched them all to the emax servo's which zaphx recommended. Out of the box they allready feel heavier and more durable. Time will tell. Just glad to have the can light working again in full swing during the songs.

Quoted from zaphX:

They are color coded to the pre-song multiball they are associated with.
Purple = lights
Yellow = amps
Blue = crowd
Also the JAM target is occasionally a hurryup.

Quoted from Vespula:

Ah slightly deceptive, not on your part, but the goldwood magnet top says Chatsworth USA. Obviously that's just the company on the magnet. Because I see the little yellow sticker on the side of the magnet that says made in China. Lol. Got me.

Quoted from cooked71:

Ok sound experts: bought the Pinwoofer upgrade kit for my CE. It comes with an “upgraded” 8” sub. But I’m not sure it’s an upgrade - my installed stock one is a Pyramid 300w WX85X:
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And the upgrade Pinwoofer one is the Goldwood GW8024:
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From my brief internet search, it looks like the stock Pyramid one may be better - pretty much same specs but a beefier magnet.
I can understand replacing the stock Wonka no name ones in the videos (may also be on the GNR le), but I’m not sure it’s worth it on this.
Anyone know more about these speakers?

Quoted from PinMonk:

The Pyramid is a cheap speaker, nothing to write home about, and you can't compare spec sheets because exaggeration is the order of the day in that price range from China.
Just a quick look at the amazon reviews for both has only 38% 5 star/23% 3 star on the Pyramid and 64% five star/12% 3 star on the Goldwood.
Plus the goldwood is what came with the kit, so they know the sound they want to give you. I'd go with what they gave you.

Quoted from chet218:

Interested in ordering a LE. Anyone know if the playfield issues have been fixed as of late?
Thanks

Quoted from romulusx:

Oh crap

Quoted from PinWoofer:

Hey guys - lots of great discussion!
We have copies of two different JJP factory cabinet speakers and are aware of a third. These are the GRS 8PR-8 and the Pyramid WX85X, both made in China (as is the Goldwood GW-8024 we supply).
There are two ways to express power when discussing audio - "Peak" and "RMS". Peak is instantaneous power for practical purposes, and RMS is sort of an average based on a sine wave which approximates audio. When you see a power rating of 300W on that speaker I can assure you that is not RMS (it is a gimmick). The 8PR-8 is rated to 65WRMS, and the GW-8024 / WX85X are rated to 100WRMS. All technically have adequate power capability, but the 8PR-8 will bottom out (reach max excursion) with our amp whereas the other two are fine.
All three have a 1.5" diameter voice coil.
We've obviously listened to each and chose the GW-8024 because it sounds better. Mostly in the heavy percussion when the ball is bouncing in the jets, but other places too. Also, we know of the poor performing 8PR-8 so we need to ensure that everyone gets what's needed. Feel free to compare, but I'd urge you to utilize the GW-8024 we provide. I can't say that everyone will hear a difference but I am certain there is one, and we've received this feedback from others.
Below is a table of the weights for each speaker which is almost entirely driven by the magnet size:
GW-8024 - 3lb 2.2oz
WX85X - 2lb 10.5oz (-7.7oz compared to the GW-8024)
8PR-8 - 2lb 12.0oz (-6.2oz compared to the GW-8024)
The Pyramid has a large vent opening which likely explains some of the difference of 7.7oz compared to the GW-8024. All use ceramic magnet material so it does make one wonder how much has been "hollowed" out as part of that companies' cost reduction. There is a cliff where the magnet size does become important if not vital - I'll keep a heavier magnet in play any day of the week.
The image below shows the three side by side.
Thanks for your attention!
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Quoted from Sako-TRG:

Scoop not registering as it should.
After adjusting the scoop switch to protrude higher through the hole to make contact with the ball, worked better for a while.
Now getting a 50% hit rate.
Kinda spoils the game experience to a degree.
Has anyone found a good fix for this?
Thanks

Quoted from chet218:

Interested in ordering a LE. Anyone know if the playfield issues have been fixed as of late?
Thanks

Quoted from chet218:

Interested in ordering a LE. Anyone know if the playfield issues have been fixed as of late?
Thanks

Quoted from Ecw0930:

Waiting for the next update so this version of Rocket Queen can be added to the adult mode.
Besides, what's better than a rapping Axl?
(Fast forward to 3:30 for his quick rap verse)

Quoted from bigd1979:

Very happy so far with my August build that I recieved like 10 days ago. Over 120 long games and looking good . I check for issues after playing every day. If you ordered it wld b a bit before u wld receive it... u sld just purchase one if the many huo ones so u know u get one with no issues. Good luck it's a amazing pinball experience

Quoted from marksf123:

Anyone have the JJP topper in stock? Let me know.
Thanks

Quoted from Tuna_Delight:

https://pinballwizard.com/products/guns-n-roses-not-in-this-lifetime-pinball-topper

Quoted from Ecw0930:

Waiting for the next update so this version of Rocket Queen can be added to the adult mode.
Besides, what's better than a rapping Axl?
(Fast forward to 3:30 for his quick rap verse)

Quoted from SDVmnt:

Topper showed up today. Gameplay soon to see if it does anything fun!
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